No surrender?

Nawimnojurgen

Nawimnojurgen

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Regardless of the new manager I think we need to take a long hard look at ourselves as a support.
When the opposition scored, we roared. Defiance. No surrender.
Now, when we score, at Ibrox there is often no whole crowd singing. We boo our team when the opposition score.
Our positive support has gone except when we are playing them. It has to change.
Too many of us are constant critics. Loudly negative at games and not singing a word. I'll start with me, no more shouting at players which they don't hear but fans round about do, it all adds to a toxic experience particularly for young fans. Let's sing defiance again.
 
You've got to look at the whole picture before making out like the support are part of the problem.
We've been served up failure after failure for the best part of a decade.
We've sat watching the scum lord it over us continually without any sort of fight.
They've hoovered up trophy after trophy.
Treble after treble.

We have 1 league title won with no fans present, a Scottish cup and a runner up medal from the UEL. Great achievements in their own right but not even close to an acceptable trophy count.

The fans have had enough of paying first class costs for everything while being subjected to second class performances and results.

Blame whoever you like at the club, don't blame the fans.
 
Nawimnojurgen said:
Regardless of the new manager I think we need to take a long hard look at ourselves as a support.
When the opposition scored, we roared. Defiance. No surrender.
Now, when we score, at Ibrox there is often no whole crowd singing. We boo our team when the opposition score.
Our positive support has gone except when we are playing them. It has to change.
Too many of us are constant critics. Loudly negative at games and not singing a word. I'll start with me, no more shouting at players which they don't hear but fans round about do, it all adds to a toxic experience particularly for young fans. Let's sing defiance again.
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Aye it's the fans fault...ffs
You wanting us going away on Saturday singing as we walk down the Copland Road? All cheery?
"that wasnt too bad today, only conceded 3 but did you see we scored a goal...3 cheers for the Gers..hip, hip" Away and take a hard look at yourself
 
CLMGC said:
You've got to look at the whole picture before making out like the support are part of the problem.
We've been served up failure after failure for the best part of a decade.
We've sat watching the scum lord it over us continually without any sort of fight.
They've hoovered up trophy after trophy.
Treble after treble.

We have 1 league title won with no fans present, a Scottish cup and a runner up medal from the UEL. Great achievements in their own right but not even close to an acceptable trophy count.

The fans have had enough of paying first class costs for everything while being subjected to second class performances and results.

Blame whoever you like at the club, don't blame the fans.
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It's not them and us. It's one Rangers. And it only works well when we are behind whoever is in the team. The atmosphere was far better in division 4,3,2 and then under Gerrard. Its slowly got worse for 2 years. Now it's bad. Steven Davis will need us to support the team. We've evicted the last guy by fan power quite rightly I agree but if we ask the board to do better so should we.
 
Booing at half time isn’t generally something most fans do.

But given the context of everything that’s happened it was understandable. The fans had had enough.

It was over weeks ago. Had we mustered some kind of response it would only have delayed the inevitable - probably by a week till St Mirren.

Ibrox isn’t an easy place to play for any Rangers team that’s struggling. Is that ideal ? Probably not so I do always feel it’s slightly disingenuous when people look shocked and say “what? Us ? No we’re tremendous supporters”

But the truth is it had all gone on too far this time. I was reacting to the team in ways I had never done before personally
 
Nawimnojurgen said:
It's not them and us. It's one Rangers. And it only works well when we are behind whoever is in the team. The atmosphere was far better in division 4,3,2 and then under Gerrard. Its slowly got worse for 2 years. Now it's bad. Steven Davis will need us to support the team. We've evicted the last guy by fan power quite rightly I agree but if we ask the board to do better so should we.
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What is it we need to do better ?

The situation before Beale was ejected was dire. Are we supposed to sit and happy clap in the stands despite our club being 2nd best and another league title all but gone before October ?

Steven Davis & Co will get the backing of the support because we have some hope now that Beale is gone. We had no hope at all under him after the way the season unfolded and the evidence pointed at another season of failure.

Sorry mate, I can't get behind anyone telling the support we need to do better.
 
Ah, the bloody fans again. The ones who have watched a decade of mediocrity and failure - on and off the park. The ones that shell out thousands of pounds per season to sustain the club financially. The ones who've had to put up with a succession of failed managerial experiments. The ones who follow the team, the length and breadth of Europe, in the vain hope we can restore some reputational pride to the name of the club The ones who have seen empty trophy cabinets become the norm at Ibrox. The ones that regularly pack out the stadium for almost every match on the football calendar. The ones who have had to watch their hated rivals racking up Treble, after Treble, after Treble. The ones who have had to persevere with team after team of incompetent, sub-standard players, incapable of even the footballing basics. The ones who have had just two meagre trophies to celebrate, in nearly 15 years of football. The ones who have no other way to air their frustration and dissatisfaction, than to do it vocally on match-day. Those bloody fans ?! Hanging, is too good for them, I say.
 
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Nawimnojurgen said:
Regardless of the new manager I think we need to take a long hard look at ourselves as a support.
When the opposition scored, we roared. Defiance. No surrender.
Now, when we score, at Ibrox there is often no whole crowd singing. We boo our team when the opposition score.
Our positive support has gone except when we are playing them. It has to change.
Too many of us are constant critics. Loudly negative at games and not singing a word. I'll start with me, no more shouting at players which they don't hear but fans round about do, it all adds to a toxic experience particularly for young fans. Let's sing defiance again.
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I think the reason is we knew in the past we could fight back from a goal down, so we roared the team on. Now when we go a goal down we struggle like %^*& even to get level. We need to get a goal start these days to have any chance. We all know if we don't score first we struggle. When was the last time we felt confident that going a goal down was just a wee set back and we would turn the deficit around?. Maybe the year we won the league we had that, but now, if we go a goal down we toil.
 
Unfortunately a lot of fans think that just paying their money and turning up is what defines being a supporter - once they've done that they feel they have free rein to be as negative and counter-productive as they'd like.

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the Aberdeen game which I accept was breaking point for a lot of people.

I mean in general, folk at Ibrox are far, far too quick to get on their own players' backs and, in all likelihood, make them play even worse.

But %^*& it, they've paid their money!

There's a big difference between financial support and actually positively supporting the team within the stadium.
 
GM276 said:
I think the reason is we knew in the past we could fight back from a goal down, so we roared the team on. Now when we go a goal down we struggle like %^*& even to get level. We need to get a goal start these days to have any chance. We all know if we don't score first we struggle. When was the last time we felt confident that going a goal down was just a wee set back and we would turn the deficit around?. Maybe the year we won the league we had that, but now, if we go a goal down we toil.
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Very fair point. Team has to do better. They will have a better chance if they are confident in our support. I'm not saying accept mediocrity which is what we've been shown recently. Both the team and fans need to get over Seville imo.
 
Things must be grim if the whit about no surrender crew appear.

We'd be in a better place if the team had the same fight as the fans.
 
I'll support this club till the day I die, thick or thin, good or bad. But we're allowed to moan surely, especially when we can see it going tits up on the park.
 
It’s very hard to sing in praise of a team constantly losing important games the support as a whole have had enough they were right to boo them off at halftime and full time it’s not good enough fed up listening to the head in the sand we’ll support you evermore brigade they obviously haven’t a clue about our club and the standards we demand.If you keep on praising them or continually standing by them it’ll only get worse.
 
1BadMouse said:
The discontent has been building for 10 years +

2 Trophies in what 12 years

The support have had the life sucked out of us, i actually think the support have been patient and loyal pumping in millions

Not many clubs would have this level of backing
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6 Trophies in 11 Years, still not good enough but it is 6
 
Nawimnojurgen said:
Very fair point. Team has to do better. They will have a better chance if they are confident in our support. I'm not saying accept mediocrity which is what we've been shown recently. Both the team and fans need to get over Seville imo.
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What you slabbering about Seville?
Beale had 2 chances to beat the scum at Hampden and failed twice due to his own incompetency.
Add to that he tried to tinker with team selection v Kilmarnock and got found out and then allowed the scum free reign after 20 mins at Ibrox.
None of that has to do with Seville. None of it is the fans faault. All of it was Beale's fault. He is now gone, thank goodness and we as a club...players, staff and fans move forward as one and Davis will get the support for as long as he is in place. He is an interim manager and stepping up when required. All the best to him and I hope he can get a tune out of the players in the next 2 games at least.
 
2 major trophies in 12 years is the issue. The fans have had enough. mentally challengeds go into a season now expecting to win a treble they have won that many. That's how much of a disgrace we have been.

Fair enough if we are being 2nd best to a top Celtic team are who competing in the latter stages of elite european competitions but they are not. They are incredibly average, evidenced by them getting slapped about in Europe with consummate ease by any competent side they face.
 
I.M.A.Bear said:
With the exception of maybe 1 season under Gerrard and another in the championship under Warburton, we have been served up shit for more than a decade.

If we got a no surrender attitude from the players maybe we would be more supportive.
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I think you’re being kind to us there, that other mob have dominated every decade bar the 90s and let’s be honest, that was EBTs which rightly or wrongly bit our arse, taking it back to 1963, 60 years ago we’ve won 21 titles to them 33, that’s the difference, we are most certainly the 2nd club in Scotland and makes a mockery out of the world’s most successful club pish, they’ll not be a peep about that in a few seasons time when they overtake our titles, we should have took our medicine in 2012 and invested in youth and banked the dough to reinvest, instead we payed guys like Sandoza and Kyle 7k a week to play against postman’s and bakers. I’d happily sacrifice the next 2/3 seasons to get solid foundations in place and challenge, at the moment we’re miles behind in terms or assets on and off the park, folk going on about Butland being worth a bit of dough ffs, we got him on a free, they’ve tied anyone worth anything on long term contracts to protect their interests, scandalous mismanagement on every level, I’m sorry its a little negative but I’m scunnered and can’t see this improving anytime soon.
 
I agree with that when the players/managers have something in the bank but they are way into their overdraft.

I didn't boo but people at the club need to know what is and isn't acceptable and I'm fine with other people doing it.
 
Trafalgar said:
tell me you aren't including the Petrofac Cup in that?
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The fact is it wass a domestic trophy won as much as it pains me to say it, for you it may mean nothing, to kids that have just turned13-16 this year my own son included it meant a lot at the time, it was the first cup they saw getting lifted at a final, they were too young before that.

These trophies get written off and told they were not important, we were chucked down the leagues due to a cabal, we could only win what was put in front of us, we achieved that as garbage as the trophy was, we still had to win it. Also makes us the only club in Scotland to have won every single domestic trophy.
 
Scott McRoberts said:
The fact is it wass a domestic trophy won as much as it pains me to say it, for you it may mean nothing, to kids that have just turned13-16 this year my own son included it meant a lot at the time, it was the first cup they saw getting lifted at a final, they were too young before that.

These trophies get written off and told they were not important, we were chucked down the leagues due to a cabal, we could only win what was put in front of us, we achieved that as garbage as the trophy was, we still had to win it. Also makes us the only club in Scotland to have won every single domestic trophy.
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if that's a comfort blanket you hold on tight to it buddy as you need it more than me
We could only win what was in front of us, including League and Scottish cups, which we didnt do either
 
The board and management have sucked the life out of the fan base we need a team to energize the club and fan base we've been let down on so many occasions now that's why we are flat.
 
Trafalgar said:
if that's a comfort blanket you hold on tight to it buddy as you need it more than me
We could only win what was in front of us, including League and Scottish cups, which we didnt do either
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Pointing out a fact, that is all, the original post had said we had won two trophies, that post was wrong. I also stated in my own post that it was nowhere need good enough!
 
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Jesus we are not in a war, shouting no surrender means eff all.

Cringy nonsense.
 
life hasn't exactly been a bed of roses these past 15 years or so being a Rangers fan, i think the matchday support are the least of our worries and concerns at this moment in time, we have been force fed sub standard guff for the most part ,and still turn up in huge numbers, the fact that atmosphere is garbage is only a reflection on the ongoing disappointments handed out to them on a weekly basis
 
That’s not going to happen if the Manager and team are playing boring, negative football. If we had an ounce of positivity and hope in our style of play then I’m sure that would start to creep back in.
 
Macky said:
That’s not going to happen if the Manager and team are playing boring, negative football. If we had an ounce of positivity and hope in our style of play then I’m sure that would start to creep back in.
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This.

The mood of the crowd is dictated by whats on the park and it always been that way.
 
People calling for the No surrender spirit is laughable to be honest when we have a team of habitual failures and terribly acquired and costly duds on the pitch who we are supposed to laud as some sort of hero’s. If any single 1 of us were to under perform on a continual basis we wouldn’t be in our jobs for long.
 
Nawimnojurgen said:
Regardless of the new manager I think we need to take a long hard look at ourselves as a support.
When the opposition scored, we roared. Defiance. No surrender.
Now, when we score, at Ibrox there is often no whole crowd singing. We boo our team when the opposition score.
Our positive support has gone except when we are playing them. It has to change.
Too many of us are constant critics. Loudly negative at games and not singing a word. I'll start with me, no more shouting at players which they don't hear but fans round about do, it all adds to a toxic experience particularly for young fans. Let's sing defiance again.
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That one is easy to explain, we used to believe we were better than them & that would generate a reaction from the players. At the moment there is no chance of getting a reaction because simply we are sh1te!

Your second point is right.
 
If you win 10 games in a row then find yourself a goal down, you might reasonably expect fans to defiantly cheer you on towards turning the deficit around. If chronically falling behind to shambolic goals becomes virtually part of your DNA, then you frequently fail to display a sense of energy or urgency about turning the game around, you end up not putting winning runs together and you lose games to mediocrities, it gets progressively harder for fans to rally around the team.
 
Performance on the park generates the atmosphere, good or bad. Always been the case. It really is that simple.
 
Portadown_Bear said:
We haven’t lost the league.

We have the same points after 7 games as Advocaat had in his first season after 7 games. Nobody wins the league in September.
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The standard of the league is a completely different sport since a ludicrous comparison to 25 years ago.

You might as well go back another 100 years and it still would be a pointless point of comparison.
 
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