For the second year running.Who said we were going backwards but our form has fallen off a cliff in the most important place of all .
yawn. gone further in Europe. your arguments are flawed as well as tediousFor the second year running.
So if we don’t get out the group stage next season then pressure should be on gerrard since that would be regression?yawn. gone further in Europe. your arguments are flawed as well as tedious
The worst case for us this season is:Qualification for the last 16 is a fantastic achievement and Braga the other night was fantastic. And I’m glad it’s healed a lot of people’s wounds, but me? Personally I’m still disgusted at the way we’ve thrown the league away and it’ll take something really special for me to get past that before the seasons out.
The worst case for us this season is:
2nd in the Premiership
LC Losers
Losing 1/4 finalist in the SC (if we get pumped tomorrow)
Last 16 of the EU (if we get pumped by BL)
By most measures that is a good season and, if you're unhappy with it, then come up with a creative alternative. There are, though, only two:
1. Bin The Gaffer and start again
2. Reset in July and improve incrementally.
You may well be, "disgusted at the way we’ve thrown the league away" but go on - chose one of those options.
Nobody said we're not concerned about our league form over the past few weeks.You’re not concerned with another monumental collapse in the league?
It’s not only two weeks though it’s two years in a row that we’ve blew it from a very good position.Nobody said we're not concerned about our league form over the past few weeks.
There's a difference between being concerned and being a roaster (as the other thread calls you) and wanting him sacked.
The worst case for us this season is:
2nd in the Premiership
LC Losers
Losing 1/4 finalist in the SC (if we get pumped tomorrow)
Last 16 of the EU (if we get pumped by BL)
By most measures that is a good season and, if you're unhappy with it, then come up with a creative alternative. There are, though, only two:
1. Bin The Gaffer and start again
2. Reset in July and improve incrementally.
You may well be, "disgusted at the way we’ve thrown the league away" but go on - chose one of those options.
It isn't a 'hypothetical scenario'. It's realistically the worst case scenario.Completely disagree that your hypothetical scenario would be classed as a “good season”
Who said we've gone backwards under Gerrard? They need their mouth rinsed out with bleach.
The team has made exceptional strides forward but our bread and butter is the league and it's clear from our collapse over the last two months that Gerrard still hasn't figured that out.
He's young, inexperienced and learning so he gets another shot at it but regardless of how good the team are playing and how well we're doing in Europe, if he can't mount a serious league challenge next season he's out.
So 1. it isn't a "hypothetical scenario". This is the worst our season will be and 2. If it stays as such are you really suggesting we bin the manager?Yeah I’m just bewildered that you believe that hypothetical scenario constitutes a ‘good’ season. Yikes.
But since option 2 isn’t a anyway a guarantee and you can’t just snap your fingers and make it happen; in that hypothetical scenario....you replace the manager, just like every club does in those scenarios and just like every fan here would want if the manager in question wasn’t named Steven Gerrard.
So 1. it isn't a "hypothetical scenario". This is the worst our season will be and 2. If it stays as such are you really suggesting we bin the manager?
depends how we are doing in the league. Swings and roundabouts on how you measure progress year on year. Not always as simple as measuring LFLSo if we don’t get out the group stage next season then pressure should be on gerrard since that would be regression?
Ssshhhh dont get in the way of the pointscoringQualification for the last 16 is a fantastic achievement and Braga the other night was fantastic. And I’m glad it’s healed a lot of people’s wounds, but me? Personally I’m still disgusted at the way we’ve thrown the league away and it’ll take something really special for me to get past that before the seasons out.
We can't perform worse than I stated so, of course, it isn't hypothetical.Oh for fecks sake. No one knows how our season will end right now so of course it’s hypothetical.
We can't perform worse than I stated so, of course, it isn't hypothetical.
So if we do as badl as I outlined would you like to bin Gerard and start again? A one word answer, if you can manage it, would be great.
To be honest I only joined last week but have yet to grasp how it all works. I’ve posted a few things and replies mostly in support of the gaffer and people can agree or disagree. What I ain’t is a wrong un as someone has said. I don’t even know if it was directed at me or not but if it was I have people on here who can certainly vouch for me. If it wasn’t directed at me I’m sorry.Are you the OP? Did you join on Sunday?
Why the question?
If we had to go on last season and previous should option 2 not be changed to reset and improve untill xmas and then watch the league slip away?We can't perform worse than I stated so, of course, it isn't hypothetical.
So if we do as badl as I outlined would you like to bin Gerard and start again? A one word answer, if you can manage it, would be great.
I am happy to be daft/simple-minded but the notion of binning Gerard is, to me, insane.If we had to go on last season and previous should option 2 not be changed to reset and improve untill xmas and then watch the league slip away?
I inow thats not ideal but its more factual than your option 2
You are right, the club seems more stable now and that is what is best for us. Its disappointing we are out the rwce do early and in my opinion show no signs of how to get back in it. We are where we are and the manager and ppayers will all have to answer for it at the end of the season. The ones that make the grade will stay and the ones that dont will go, its the same everywhereI am happy to be daft/simple-minded but the notion of binning Gerard is, to me, insane.
Aye, we've fucked the league - again - but I love the sense of well-being that he has brought to the club and, for sure, we're on the right path.
I think we have to stay on track. Stability is what matters most and we can all see we're building something good here.You are right, the club seems more stable now and that is what is best for us. Its disappointing we are out the rwce do early and in my opinion show no signs of how to get back in it. We are where we are and the manager and ppayers will all have to answer for it at the end of the season. The ones that make the grade will stay and the ones that dont will go, its the same everywhere
That comes across as genuine. My concern is someone who wasn't interested enough in FF to register until very recently is now apparently motivated enough to start a thread, very similar to several previously posted, having a dig at bears which will lead to pointscoring.To be honest I only joined last week but have yet to grasp how it all works. I’ve posted a few things and replies mostly in support of the gaffer and people can agree or disagree. What I ain’t is a wrong un as someone has said. I don’t even know if it was directed at me or not but if it was I have people on here who can certainly vouch for me. If it wasn’t directed at me I’m sorry.
So you’re a Steven Gerrard fan first and foremost?I am happy to be daft/simple-minded but the notion of binning Gerard is, to me, insane.
Aye, we've fucked the league - again - but I love the sense of well-being that he has brought to the club and, for sure, we're on the right path.
You can’t consider one without considering the other though.Seems to be a rule that you can't be both concerned about Gerrard's domestic record and delighted with his progress in Europe.
Stability does matter but ultimately its a results businessI think we have to stay on track. Stability is what matters most and we can all see we're building something good here.
Immaterial. Our current regime is doing wonders for the club and the notion of changing it simply never occurred to me.So you’re a Steven Gerrard fan first and foremost?
No, for me, there are more questions to ask.Yeah I’m just bewildered that you believe that hypothetical scenario constitutes a ‘good’ season. Yikes.
But since option 2 isn’t a anyway a guarantee and you can’t just snap your fingers and make it happen; in that hypothetical scenario....you replace the manager, just like every club does in those scenarios and just like every fan here would want if the manager in question wasn’t named Steven Gerrard.
Yeah but would you give him more time if he fails next year???? FWIW I would as I happen to think we’ve got the right man, I just think we should allow him time to gain his experienceWe are in the last 16 of a major European competition where many big names have already exited. We are a few players short of winning our own league and I for what it’s worth firmly believe in our Gaffer to rectify that.
I think if he fails next year he would leave by choice. Having said that he might still win a trophy this year you never know.Yeah but would you give him more time if he fails next year???? FWIW I would as I happen to think we’ve got the right man, I just think we should allow him time to gain his experience
And you’ve decided to gloss over the most important issue where we fall apart at the midway point again. We’ve been conned with some horrendous refereeing no doubt, but “bad luck and individual mistakes”. Head in the sand crap.
Happy wanking over second place. How standards have fallen.
Just come out and say it. You want Gerrard gone. As for your last paragraph, says more about you than anyone else.
aye but the way you go on and on and on and on about it comes across as you want him gone now. That's what your underlying message appears to be. We all want to get winning again, no-one is arguing about thatIf we continue to win nothing, then yes, I’ll want him gone, it’s a big IF. I’m not interested in second placed finishes.
What does it say about me? That I hold Rangers to a higher standard and I’ve not turned into some star struck wee lassie that’s just happy to have a famous manager? Away and do one pal.
aye but the way you go on and on and on and on about it comes across as you want him gone now. That's what your underlying message appears to be. We all want to get winning again, no-one is arguing about that
If we continue to win nothing, then yes, I’ll want him gone, it’s a big IF. I’m not interested in second placed finishes.
What does it say about me? That I hold Rangers to a higher standard and I’ve not turned into some star struck wee lassie that’s just happy to have a famous manager? Away and do one pal.
Out of curiosity what do you expect from the rest of this season now?
You're catastrophising and doing Gerrard a huge disservice.
Hearts - we were pish but two goals from a slip and deflection (bad luck) cost us.
Aberdeen - tremendous 45 followed by a disappointing 30 mins and a horrendous refereeing decision when we should have had a penalty to make it 3-2 (probably have missed it though)
Kilmarnock - good start, they scored a goal that shouldn't have stood, we should have had a pen at 1-1 and Alfie's legitimate goal getting chopped off.
St Johnstone - again two defensive errors has cost us a win.
It's not as bad as you think. Fk their 9IAR - won 6 without us in the league and subjected to a 15 point deduction.
I'd agree the form has to change in the league and would like the Scottish cup, so if we dont get the Scottish cup you think it's time for a new manager?A serious upturn in league form (albeit too little too late) and the Scottish Cup. I won’t be rubbing my hands at another trophyless season thats for sure.
Yup, you either love him unconditionally and celebrate his successes and turn a complete blond eye to his failures. Or you hate him and can't be happy when things go right. There's only black and white.Seems to be a rule that you can't be both concerned about Gerrard's domestic record and delighted with his progress in Europe.
Qualification for the last 16 is a fantastic achievement and Braga the other night was fantastic. And I’m glad it’s healed a lot of people’s wounds, but me? Personally I’m still disgusted at the way we’ve thrown the league away and it’ll take something really special for me to get past that before the seasons out.
Like you I think he’s the right guy, Christ, for all those saying we signed an inexperienced manager, the how the hell has he managed to outsmart these European managers and Lennon if he doesn’t have what it takes......definitely worth persevering with, just as Man U did with FergieI think if he fails next year he would leave by choice. Having said that he might still win a trophy this year you never know.
I’m not his fan club or anything like that I just think he’s the best man for the job and I think he’ll get it right.
He’s definitely drawing attention to us again with our European performances.
Apparently there was a long list of scouts at the game on Thursday and I don’t think they were there just to watch Braga players.
No, for me, there are more questions to ask.
For example,
Where were we April 2018?
Have we progressed since then?
Can we hire a different manager who can guarantee anything better than what the current one is achieving.
Are you suggesting its the players fault? We cant break down teams that sit in, that requires a tactical change and that comes from the topI understand your angst which is shared by many on here and elsewhere but, whose fault is it that we have crashed and burned in the league since the break ?
For me there are some players who seem to think that they have earned total respect on the basis of past results. If SG has coached the first team squad to achieve brilliant results in the Europa League then I don't reckon he is doing much wrong. Perhaps we just need a better Sports psychologist ( excuse spelling ) as, for sure, we are better than them, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock, Hearts and Hibernian not to mention the other dross.
For those who suggest giving Steven Gerrard a further season after which, if he hasn't delivered, he needs to 'go' , they need to get help. I, for one, rejoice in the fact that we have SG as manager but, for those who don't, just tell me who the hell they would accept as their preferred manager and who would do a better job.
As they say, 'be careful what you wish for'