On another day we’d have scored.....

songsofglory

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True in general but, not last game,
Yeah mate, I thought this thread was more about the amount of times we create so much and not score how many we should. I wasn't just meaning Saturdays match, where we never worked the keeper enough. When you see teams line up with so many behind the box, I don't know why we don't take more shots from distance.
 

tazzabear

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Yeah mate, I thought this thread was more about the amount of times we create so much and not score how many we should. I wasn't just meaning Saturdays match, where we never worked the keeper enough. When you see teams line up with so many behind the box, I don't know why we don't take more shots from distance.
You’ve just answered your question right there!
I don’t get why people don’t understand the problem here.
All our player sees in front of him is opposition players.
Very often, if you freeze frame, they won’t even see the goal other than the crossbar.
99% of the time they’re just giving possession away and it’s another minute before the ball is back in play.
 

daviemc1872

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the main difference between us and them is how clinical we are , they seem to take more chances , we seem to need a good few chances before getting our goal
 

songsofglory

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You’ve just answered your question right there!
I don’t get why people don’t understand the problem here.
All our player sees in front of him is opposition players.
Very often, if you freeze frame, they won’t even see the goal other than the crossbar.
99% of the time they’re just giving possession away and it’s another minute before the ball is back in play.
I don't think so, the Scum shoot from distance and get quite a bit of joy from it. The closest we came in the first half was a shot from outside the box.
 

DC Anchor

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it's part of the "Denial' on FF
we are 'unlucky' 'if this had gone in ' or ' if that had happened',
throw in referee conspiracies, plastic pitches and we are back to being
top of the "If's and's & buts" league.
We need to get ruthless win 55 and all this will stop.
 
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mark hateley

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We play some good football at times and win only 1.0.

Just luck.

The day we played ICT and were 5 up before half time I was expecting at least 8 or 9 that day. We barely got near the goal in the second half.

That's football I suppose.
 

tazzabear

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I don't think so, the Scum shoot from distance and get quite a bit of joy from it. The closest we came in the first half was a shot from outside the box.
I don’t see to many septic games but, Id bet they’re not as successful at this as you may think.
 

ElBarrileteCosmico

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it's part the "Denial' on FF
we are 'unlucky' 'if this had gone in ' or 'that had happened',
throw in referee conspiracies, plastic pitches and we are back to being
top of the "If's and's & buts" league.
We need to get ruthless win 55 and all this will stop.
Exactly it is small time diddy side rubbish.

Over the past few years we've practically had people make up their own league table on what should have been the results if it wasn't for referees, teams defending and chances being missed.

We've got the best goalie in the league and he regularly pulls off great saves. That's his job. We don't then say "aye but if they had all went in".

You're last line is spot on. We need to get a trophy man and drag some of the support into Rangers mentality again. The last few years have done a number on people and they need to man up a bit and stop feeling sorry for themselves about "what ifs".
 

songsofglory

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I don’t see to many septic games but, Id bet they’re not as successful at this as you may think.
They've certainly done a lot better against packed defenced than we have, three trebles in a row shows that.

There is often an opening to shoot that we don't take. When shooting in to packed defences you also have the chance of a deflection taking it away from the keeper. These packed defences are to force us out wide and put the ball in the box. We can and should mix it up a bit by shooting from distance.
 

tazzabear

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They've certainly done a lot better against packed defenced than we have, three trebles in a row shows that.

There is often an opening to shoot that we don't take. When shooting in to packed defences you also have the chance of a deflection taking it away from the keeper. These packed defences are to force us out wide and put the ball in the box. We can and should mix it up a bit by shooting from distance.
Their success isn’t solely, and nowhere near, down to their shooting from distance.
The second point you make I’m not totally buying.
Yes there can be an opportunity we don’t take, but I’m not into trusting to luck and the hope of a deflection.
I’d rather trust to the undoubted superior skills we have.
 

songsofglory

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Their success isn’t solely, and nowhere near, down to their shooting from distance.
The second point you make I’m not totally buying.
Yes there can be an opportunity we don’t take, but I’m not into trusting to luck and the hope of a deflection.
I’d rather trust to the undoubted superior skills we have.
Even if it's not clicking?

How many times do we get wide, clip a ball in to the box and not score? Many, many times in a match. I know that's our main tactic and more often than not we eventually get a goal, but taking a few shots to change it up would help.
 

Portrushbear

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For as long as i remember I’ve been hearing this, been thinking this. It’s a constant recurring theme.

The weekend another example.

Just watched the highlights. Arfields could easily have went in. Alfie could/should have scored at least one of his chances.

Then we didn’t score. And the game gets tough.

Is it just me or is it just a constant theme?
It's a constant theme in football

Chances are missed on a regular basis, you can't take them all

Watch back McCoist and he missed loads

The key is in how they come back from the misses and Alfie certainly doesn't dwell on them
 

The Huguenot

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The fact that we went on to win the game after a number of difficulties shows the new character in the team. There is definitely a new spirit about the side.
 

RaoulDuke11

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Arfield's shot was wasteful? Morelos' missed header?
No, only a madman would say a strike off the crossbar was wasteful - it was just unlucky!

There are generally chances each and every game that you look back on and say, "Christ, he should've scored that" and eventally "we could've had 3 or 4 more"... I seem to be saying it to my old man after every game.

Like a poster says above, missed chances are part and parcel of the game. I'd be concerned if we weren't making chances...

However, there was a thread recently that highlighted the Scum's shots/goal ration versus ours and theirs was better. That's a concern, even though we're making a lot of chances.

If we sharpen up in front of goal, and show the Filth as little respect as possible when we play them, we could be a tremendous domestic force.
 

Buster

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This baffles me. Considering the goal Gerrard has scored in his career from long distance I would of thought this would be getting drummed into them at training.
Totally Chris baffles me as well a packed box hit the target Alfie hovering about waiting on a fortunate break of the woodwork ,goalkeeper or defender ,not saying do it all the time but vary it up a bit ,nice inter passing through the defence looks good but so does a ball bursting the back of the net just like SG used to do
 

Kris1872

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Totally Chris baffles me as well a packed box hit the target Alfie hovering about waiting on a fortunate break of the woodwork ,goalkeeper or defender ,not saying do it all the time but vary it up a bit ,nice inter passing through the defence looks good but so does a ball bursting the back of the net just like SG used to do
Exactly mate! God knows why we dont see it more often.
 

Buster

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Totally agree with that point.

We need to start adding the odd long range shot to our attack. A spill from the keeper can easy land at the foot of one of our players. We also miss the classic Scottish 'pin ball machine' goal.

We need to add these to our game.
Totally agree McCoist must have had a high percentage of ricochets . Just another wee point when we do shoot from outside the box we usually go low to bottom corners which is easier to block by the 11 man defences would just like to to see them try for the top corners much harder for the packed defence to block just as SG used to aim for
 

Buster

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Even if it's not clicking?

How many times do we get wide, clip a ball in to the box and not score? Many, many times in a match. I know that's our main tactic and more often than not we eventually get a goal, but taking a few shots to change it up would help.
Its a good debate points all valid , I just think we can be to predictable at times if we can't get through the middle look out to tav he will swing it over and sometimes it works or give it to Ojo he will cut inside and try to curl it into the back post sure particularly Tav has had a lot of success with this but just wish now and again the midfielder instead of pushing it to Tav take the ball early and go for a top corner just like SG used to do for Liverpool and England
 

Bangersbc

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For as long as i remember I’ve been hearing this, been thinking this. It’s a constant recurring theme.

The weekend another example.

Just watched the highlights. Arfields could easily have went in. Alfie could/should have scored at least one of his chances.

Then we didn’t score. And the game gets tough.

Is it just me or is it just a constant theme?
The game is called football: i assume from this post you are unfamiliar with it.

Every time in the sports history a game has been played since its creation, people who attended have speculated"what if that had gone in?"

This is not new or rangers specific.

Weirdly though, no-one debates "awww, but what woulda happened if none of those 7 goals had gone in!?!? It would have been 0-0. We're pure sh##e!" Oh wait: thats EVERY weekend that we win!
 

CoplandJay

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For as long as i remember I’ve been hearing this, been thinking this. It’s a constant recurring theme.

The weekend another example.

Just watched the highlights. Arfields could easily have went in. Alfie could/should have scored at least one of his chances.

Then we didn’t score. And the game gets tough.

Is it just me or is it just a constant theme?
It is a constant theme, imo we are not behind the bheasts at all.. can match them in every department on our day.
However, they dont seem to need half the chances we do to bag a goal in most games. They have players capable of burying a chance or even a half chance all over the park, we dont seem to have that. Whether its confidence or what who knows
 

SmileyBear

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Our strikers score a lot but are still not clinical enough in games for the number of chances created that would not be noticed as much if the midfield were chipping in with a few goals as well.
we just seem to need more chances to score than other teams we do create a hell of a lot.
Our shooting from the edge of the box is poor as well.
 

cloodie

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As I've said previously the sample size is far too small for folk to be getting worked up about our shots/ goals ratio. Anyway, here's another way of looking at it:

The games people seem to be losing it over in particular are the Killie, Livingstone and St Mirren. They are 3 of the most defensive minded teams we'll play and against packed defences we may get quite a few shots away but many of those will be blocked or from poor positions. So how do we compare to last season against them in corresponding fixtures?

St Mirren away from home
Last season we had 20 shots on goal (4 on target) and won 2 nil
This season we had 15 shots on goal (7 on target) and won 1 nil

Livingston at home
Last season we had 18 shots on goal (6 on target) and won 3 nil
This season we had 23 shots on goal (10 on target) and won 3 - 1

Kilmarnock away
Last season game one we had 15 shots on goal (7 on target) and lost 2 - 1
Last season game two we had 7 shots on goal (3 on target) and lost 2 - 1
This season we had 14 shots on goal (10 on target) and won 2-1


So over the corresponding fixtures last season we averaged 15 shots on goal per game and scored 1.75 per game.
This season we've averaged 17 shots on goal per game and scored 2 goals per game.

Conclusion
We've had slightly more shots and goals per game in the corresponding fixtures. Also note that in the 4 fixtures last season we took 6 points and in 3 fixtures this season we've already taken 9. Points make prizes. Finally, before the claims of 'but we should still be scoring more' remember that were highest scorers in the league last season and we've already banged in a few goals this season against teams who play a more open game against us.
 
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