Our attitude towards Walter during our TIAR season

Johansen

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Walter boob by saying he would leave at the end of the Season, instead of it being enough to push over the line it acted against us. As for Bobby Williamson, Ex Player, and Manager of Kilmarnock coming to Ibrox and winning, A Rat, No Scum Manager would have done that, the same way as St Midden lay down to the Scum
So would you have preferred winning 10 that season knowing Kilmarnock lay down to us because Williamson was and still is a bluenose. Don't know about you mate but I prefer winning titles by honest endeavor, I also don't call an ex player a rat. But maybe that's just me
 
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Macdonsj

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Gattuso, porrini, vidmar, stenstaas, amoruso,Thern, Negri, johansson, niemi and Gough in the winter .

Pretty much signed a new team in 97 too

had a wee look there - 52 games played that season

these probably include any appearance not just starts:


Gattuso 37
Porrini 37
Stensaas 28
Amoruso must have been 10 max, didn't debut till April 1998
Thern 28
Negri 40 (after January was a jersey wasted)
Johansson 8
Niemi 7
Gough 30

taking Gough out of the equation as its was really just a continuation of the previous season
Stensaas & Thern was a season worth between them
the Italians except Amo were regulars but Negri etc etc

rest only contributed in a few games

the bulk of the team was made up of guys who'd ran thru walls for years previously and a few were at the end of their careers - McCoist, Durie, McCall, Ferguson, Goram etc
and Laudrup switched off once he was confirmed to be leaving
 

dublinbluenose

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Walter didn’t have a choice to leave he was sacked but Murray dressed it up as Walter wanted to leave to give him time to get in the new manager.walter himself said it was the longest sacking in history as he was sacked in October but didn’t leave the job till May
 

Queens Club

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We started well and they lost their first two game. We'd spent a lot in bringing in new faces, mainly the Italians. Everything was looking very good until about October when Wattie announced he was going at the end of the year. At the time I thought this was a mistake and it turned out to be the case as the players just seemed to lose focus. I wasn't happy with Walter for doing what he did but it has subsequently came to light that it was Murray that told him he was going.
 

albertz_left_peg

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I was around 8/9, remember parts of it pretty blurry but can remember my dad being more or less silent all the way home

back in those days you were allowed to sing and get on in the boats home. Every home game home was usually a sash bash. Remember the ferry home was quiet that night. Everyone was gutted. They knew that was it over and basically the end of an era. I was at the Scottish cup final that year to where hearts best us. That was as bad
 

The Goalie

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Walter didn’t want to leave, the complete opposite in fact, it was sugar coated at the time to make it look like he was stepping down.

He was 100% binned by Murray, he was allowed to see out the season in the hope of getting 10.

The whole episode was an utter shambles.
I'm sure he signed a new contract the previous summer.
 

dublinbluenose

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Think there’s some selective memories regarding 10. Everyone wanted it & were gutted at the time it never happened
We were gutted but anyone at tannadice the day we lost the ten will tell you.the support instead of turning on the club,the Rangers support to a man stayed inside tannadice for a good 20 mins singing and within an hour my mates and I were having conversation about how we were going win the league the next season and what the new manager was going to bring.Yes it was gutting as we should have won the league but it was gone an no amount of anger and venting fury at Walter or the players was going to change it.we dusted ourselves down and went again and blew the yahoos away the next two seasons.
 

Craig McColl

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Walter did get serious stick that season with some at the front door. But it was for another European failure, actually 2. Gothenburg then Strasbourg.
 
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dublinbluenose

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Walter did get serious stick that season with some atthe front door. But it was for another European failure, actually 2. Gothenburg then Strasbourg.
Murray compounded the anger by charging £30 a ticket for the Gothenburg game at Ibrox which at that time was a rip off.to compound it he put out adverts of radio that basically said if you couldn’t afford or unwilling to pay £30 you weren’t a true blue.
 

Craig McColl

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Murray compounded the anger by charging £30 a ticket for the Gothenburg game at Ibrox which at that time was a rip off.to compound it he put out adverts of radio that basically said if you couldn’t afford or unwilling to pay £30 you weren’t a true blue.
Was after the Strasbourg game that I remember people at the front door calling for Walter to be removed. Different times as we were big spenders even in European terms at the time and we underacheived in Europe on the whole under Walter 1st time round.
 

Twosignals

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So would you have preferred winning 10 that season knowing Kilmarnock lay down to us because Williamson was and still is a bluenose. Don't know about you mate but I prefer winning titles by honest endeavor, I also don't call and ex player a rat. But maybe that's just me
Williamson if you can remember hated us with a vengeance, suppose that came with the fact he was a third rate player for us anyway. So is the Presbyterian way not to except a gift horse?
 

Midfield General

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I don't rember any frenzy like there is today,I was disappointed we didn't win the league we were the better team,I think we beat them twice,drew won and lost one against them that season.We gifted them the league because of results against other teams.
I was always confident it was a blip and we won.d win it the following season.
 

Bruce_Wayne

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Were we not ahead for quite a bit of that season? If we weren't it was certainly close. If there was an 11 point gap though, even with us having 2 games in hand, we certainly wouldn't have been protesting. Fans have always had the upmost respect for Walter.
 

HandsomeHead

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had a wee look there - 52 games played that season

these probably include any appearance not just starts:


Gattuso 37
Porrini 37
Stensaas 28
Amoruso must have been 10 max, didn't debut till April 1998
Thern 28
Negri 40 (after January was a jersey wasted)
Johansson 8
Niemi 7
Gough 30

taking Gough out of the equation as its was really just a continuation of the previous season
Stensaas & Thern was a season worth between them
the Italians except Amo were regulars but Negri etc etc

rest only contributed in a few games

the bulk of the team was made up of guys who'd ran thru walls for years previously and a few were at the end of their careers - McCoist, Durie, McCall, Ferguson, Goram etc
and Laudrup switched off once he was confirmed to be leaving
Negri was the key for me. Had he not gone in the huff and scored even half the amount of goals in the second half of the season as he’d done in the first, we’d have won it.

You could also look at Amoruso and ask how different it might have been had he been fit and hit the ground running.

Smith did all the right things in the summer of ‘97 to be fair, signing more or less the core of a new team, but aside from the two mentioned above there were just too many other factors that prevented us from winning it that season.

Laudrup suffered niggling injuries and never really had the same impact as previously, Gascoigne was a fat mess and blowing out of his arse, Thern was a ridiculous waste of money and it was just a season too far for the rest of the NIAR guard.
 

Dave Angell

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We wanted the 10, make no mistake about it.

And it's been done to death the reasons we didn't get it. But we moved on and moved forward, and celebrated a Treble 12 months later.

Them on the other hand, I think us doing 55 will absolutely rock them to the core. It won't just be Lennon that carries the can for it, they'll be gunning for Liewell too.

Factor in the likes of Brown coming to the end of his career, and probably a whole host of other players who'll want away, and the plethora of shite they've bought over the years that are kicking their heels at home ...... there is a vast rebuilding job required there, much the same as we had to do at the end of our failed attempt at 10.
 

Beer Belly Loyal

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We had a song back then...

Eight it was great, nine will be fine, but it's gonna be ten in a row.

It didn't happen, there was no meltdown like what's going on just now.

#Hughknew wasn't in the slightest frothing about it on radio catholic every night, quite the opposite - he was orgasmic.
 

skorn

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And the plus point to that, for me, is the fact that we have an enduring image of Mr Richard Gough, a TRUE leader and captain, lifting that trophy at Tannadice with tears in his eyes. We have the defining footage of the King thrashing a header into the top corner. We have the memories and all that came with winning a 9th title in a row, they don’t have that. They never will have that feeling in the modern era, they never will be able to truly savour how that felt.

Yeah, it's a reminder that when we are told that CFC have just won nine-in-a-row, we can still ask the questions:

"What league match saw you win the title ?"
"Who scored the decisive goal(s) in that title-winning game ?"
 

Paulski54

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Yeah, it's a reminder that when we are told that CFC have just won nine-in-a-row, we can still ask the questions:

"What league match saw you win the title ?"
"Who scored the decisive goal(s) in that title-winning game ?"
I do that all the time :)) :)) :))
I never get an answer, ever.
 

Sutton_Blows_goats

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I remember being disappointed that Walter said he was retiring going into that season after winning 9. There was no frenzy and obsession about a possible 10 in a row, as we're witnessing now. If anything, the media were all about Celtc stopping us from doing so.
Thats right, the media narrative was that Celtic beating us to the title that year was best for all of Scottish football.
 

GR6Ger

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We’re fortunate social media wasn’t around when we were going for 10 in a row. It would’ve been full of fans wanting Walter replaced.
 

monkey magic

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I remember the opposite. Setting a new record was huge for us and our ultimate failure to achieve it was hugely deflating.

We never really dwelled on it though because the next two seasons were two of the best ever.

Of course, winning the title that season would have been incredible, but we were never endlessly obsessing about ten in a row as both they and the media are at present. That mob will take to the streets if they lose the chance of 10 this season. We didn't, which says a lot. In fact, we were more gutted after the CSKA Moscow game when we should have been in the first ever CL Final.
 

andy-500

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I'm not old enough to remember our 10IAR season - but I would bet that people weren't talking about 10IAR after the first title in 1989.

This has been built up since 2012 for them. Because we were being demoted to Division 3, they knew they had a chance to do it. And to some extent, it was an expectation. It isn't really an achievement as such.

Rangers' 9IAR in 1997 was an achievement built by one of the greatest Rangers teams of all time - featuring some of the best players ever to have played for the club. Not getting the tenth title, while disappointing, came after years of achievement.

For them, not getting 10IAR is a failure to take advantage of the situation. This 9IAR will be a reminder of something they failed to do, rather than a period they remember fondly for achievements.
 

Johansen

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Williamson if you can remember hated us with a vengeance, suppose that came with the fact he was a third rate player for us anyway. So is the Presbyterian way not to except a gift horse?
He's a bluenose, always has been. And give me peace about the Presbyterian way, ffs. Rangers have never needed anyone to lie down to them to be a success, maybe bear this in mind
 
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bluetonic

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I was gutted we did not win that season, but it did not get under my skin or dwell in my thoughts.

I felt proud of what we had done, and it far outweighed any disappointment of losing that title.

I think Rangers fans mostly accepted the situation and looked forward to the next season.
The arrival of Advocaat and the reset of squad and culture of the club certainly cushioned the blow of not getting 10 and the Scottish cup
 

mark hateley

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The 10 was a disappointment.

9 was the big one.

I accepted it and moved on.

The squad was all older and there didnt seem the same desire and spirit in the 97/98 season.

Walter left well, returned 10 years later with more experience and took us further than before in europe. Okay there were some bad evenings under him too but won 3 in a row and Manchester. His legacy is always to be admired, even tho we never done 10.
 

Twosignals

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He's a bluenose, always has been. And give me peace about the Presbyterian way, ffs. Rangers have never needed anyone to lie down to them to be a success, maybe bear this in mind
Try turning the clock back to the time, he hated us with a vengeance, or can’t you remember.
 

Johansen

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Try turning the clock back to the time, he hated us with a vengeance, or can’t you remember.
Mate, he was a neighbor of mine in Cheshire when he was Chester manager, always spoke well of the club, both as a player and supporter. Also as I said Rangers have never needed any team to lie down to them for success and tbh not one Rangers manager would have ever looked for anything like that.
We are successful because of our own work ethic, nothing more or less.
 

Greggy75

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That’s not how I remember it at all.

TIAR was a huge thing for us. We spent a record amount in the summer of ‘97 going for it and Walter didn’t announce his retirement until it was essentially forced upon him by ENIC following the double Euro disasters at Gothenburg and Strasbourg.

There’s a part of me that still thinks he should have been jettisoned there and then, and at the time that’s what I wanted, but because TIAR was such a big deal for us there was a belief we needed continuity to achieve it.


I hope I'm not coming across like Tommy Sheridan here but Walter and the squad had earned the right to go for 10
 

Madjid Moments

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Make no mistake, us winning the league this season sees:
Lennon hunted
Brown retired
Lawell hunted
Fans boycotting and season tickets handed back
Player exodus, all wanting to get away from the shot show

I can’t wait!!!
 

htws

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Was after the Strasbourg game that I remember people at the front door calling for Walter to be removed. Different times as we were big spenders even in European terms at the time and we underacheived in Europe on the whole under Walter 1st time round.
Murray always seems to get an easy ride when it comes to why we didn't get the ten.
 

High Heedyin

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Fk sake I remember sitting steaming greeting my eyes out the night we got beat 2-0 by that mob at new year that season. Had a feeling in my water it was the beginning of the end that night, end of an era I’d been brought up with. Got a feeling this season is payback and karma for that season, it just wasn’t meant to be.
 
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