Patrick Harvie tweet

tazzabear said:
Yes, but offer a couple of option.
For example:
Is the person in the still photograph:
A) waving to a friend in the crowd.
B) saluting like National Socialists do.
C) doing something else.
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It really is a shame mate. Every time one of our fans is innocently caught waving at a friend innocently they just always happen to be a young ned with their face covered up. Of all the blasted bad luck!
 
Eric_Cartman said:
I've had a debate with a group of SNP diehard bellends on facebook who are friends of a friend since the game about this.

It all started when the 1st post showed the Union Bears march under the tag line 'Not In My Scotland'.

I think I'm a reasonable guy. I've explained calmly what it is, even said I think it's utter bollocks too, but defended the march as nothing more than a fan group adding to the occasion and atmosphere with a bit of noise and colour. I also said I have no problem with their lot doing the same, which I don't, as long as no one getting hurt I've no problem with it at all.

In the replies I've been called a 'moron', 'braindead moron', 'not a normal sane person', 'A sick individual'.

I've not once insulted anyone throughout the whole thread.

Funny enough most of the punters replying still have a 'Yes' picture as their profile, and most have posted stuff celebrating their result yesterday.

They are not interested in debate. It's their way or nothing.
They are not interested in free speech. It's their speech or nothing.
They are not interested in freedom of expression. It's their expression or nothing.

Now we have elected members of Parliament acting in the same way?
We're on a very slippery slope if you ask me.
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If wherever you possibly can, take absolutely phuck all to do with mentally challengeds and your whole world becomes a better place.

They're offended by everything.
Ashamed of nothing.
 
BlueHaze said:
Surely sticking your hand up in the air doesn't always mean your doing a Nazi or red hand salute,I'm sure I've done it in the past and never at any time was I actually saluting anything or anyone never even crossed my mind.
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Correct.
I’ve stood with my hand up and with arm extended, trying to attract my wife’s attention in Argyle Street one day.
(Probably a lot more often than once and in a lot more locations)
Does this mean that I was conducting a Nazi salute?
 
tazzabear said:
Correct.
I’ve stood with my hand up and with arm extended, trying to attract my wife’s attention in Argyle Street one day.
(Probably a lot more often than once and in a lot more locations)
Does this mean that I was conducting a Nazi salute?
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Disgraceful. You are quite clearly the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels.

It should be the gallows for you!!

:D:D:D
 
Livibear said:
The Nationalists are simply converting the open goal that was handed to them.

Using the word ‘19th Century Terrorists’ to publicise the March, wearing balaclavas ffs, and insisting on doing this ‘red hand salute’?

How did people think this was going to be twisted by grandstanding, opportunistic politicians?

We make it so easy for those who hate us sometimes it’s untrue.

Plus, the bleating about how it’s all so unfair is infuriating.
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Ok livibear,I’ll ask you the same question I’ve asked many tims.
What is in the word 19th Century Terrorist,that’s offensive,up to now the only answer they can muster is,”well,that’s what you call us”none that I’ve asked even know the dictionary meaning of the word.
Eventually they give up and change the subject.
If it’s deemed acceptable to call me the h word,I’m damn sure it’s acceptable for me to call them 19th Century Terrorists,and that my friend is how it will remain.
 
sudamericaranger said:
It really is a shame mate. Every time one of our fans is innocently caught waving at a friend innocently they just always happen to be a young ned with their face covered up. Of all the blasted bad luck!
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That’s not really my point though was it.
There’s a lot more to being a fascist than copying a salute.
 
FK1872 said:
Honestly anyone can take a free swipe on Rangers now a days

The GB march through the broomloan end, and constant IRA singing throughout the game (THAT WAS HEARD ON TV) have been completely over looked. Not to mention the coin throw that hit a wee boy in the Rangers end, and celtic fans ambushing a couple of straggling bears.

I despise the politicians in this country
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Well said. Only one support displayed sickening sectarian behaviour and singing and it wasn’t Rangers Patrick but then you knew that already.
 
tazzabear said:
That’s not really my point though was it.
There’s a lot more to being a fascist than copying a salute.
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I agree mate. But this demonstrates the problem. Half the folk are pathetically attempting to claim it is a wave gone wrong and the other half are claiming it is a salute but it is OK.

End result is that we look idiotic as a support and leave ourselves open to these attacks. How about we stop doing it altogether. It's needless, not part of our tradition and ultimately selfish from the wee fools who do it, leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces. There will always be someone to take a photo of it and always an endless line of enemies to attack us over it. They are desperate for us to keep doing it. Desperate. And we never let them down.
 
FK1872 said:
Yes, but the people that are calling it far-right salute know its a red hand salute. They just say it to fit their agenda
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That makes it ok then?

To all intents & purposes it looks like a nazi salute & anyone seeing it will think that. Our haters, and there are plenty, may know what it is. Do you honestly think they'll cut us some slack as opposed to putting the boot in.
 
SmileyBear said:
We do not have a board who fight our corner we learned that against Motherwell and Hibs we need the board to be stronger.
We are seen as weak and easy to attack from everyone.
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Anybody who expects anybody officially connected to Rangers to get involved when they’re putting out flyers about marching against 19th Century Terrorists and doing salutes needs their head checked.
 
Eric_Cartman said:
I've had a debate with a group of SNP diehard bellends on facebook who are friends of a friend since the game about this.

It all started when the 1st post showed the Union Bears march under the tag line 'Not In My Scotland'.

I think I'm a reasonable guy. I've explained calmly what it is, even said I think it's utter bollocks too, but defended the march as nothing more than a fan group adding to the occasion and atmosphere with a bit of noise and colour. I also said I have no problem with their lot doing the same, which I don't, as long as no one getting hurt I've no problem with it at all.

In the replies I've been called a 'moron', 'braindead moron', 'not a normal sane person', 'A sick individual'.

I've not once insulted anyone throughout the whole thread.

Funny enough most of the punters replying still have a 'Yes' picture as their profile, and most have posted stuff celebrating their result yesterday.

They are not interested in debate. It's their way or nothing.
They are not interested in free speech. It's their speech or nothing.
They are not interested in freedom of expression. It's their expression or nothing.

Now we have elected members of Parliament acting in the same way?
We're on a very slippery slope if you ask me.
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Correct. At the time of the referendum the bullying from the yes camp was a downright disgrace, people being called all sorts, ‘you’re not Scottish, etc.’
 
RFC#1Scotty said:
So this filthy rabid communist red shirt lefty who supports socialism which caannot be democratic or libertarian sits and calls Rangers fans "far-right" as if that's a bad thing because they dare to go out there in protest march against the attack on our freedom of speech!?

That's what happens when you dare stand up against filthy red shirts, they try to push Fascism off onto the right, even although Fascism is a collectivist system and is socialist, they'll attempt to label you as being Fascist, why? Because you dare to stand up for what is right and that is standing up for freedom of speech. If standing for liberty was oh so dangerous, what the hell do you call their socialist shite that led millions to their death bed?

Trust me, I'd happily take that socialist bastard to the cleaners in a one on one debate, I'd humiliate the prick.
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Tell him to go away and prop up the left wing republican ira loving snp govt.
 
Wilkinsvolley said:
Anybody who expects anybody officially connected to Rangers to get involved when they’re putting out flyers about marching against 19th Century Terrorists and doing salutes needs their head checked.
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So forget flyers and hand signals; why didn't they fight our corner against Motherwell and Hibs then?

If I remember correctly, they got weighed into one of their own players who was assaulted twice.

And then allowed a scuzboot and plod to tell absolute lies about our fans with impunity.

There's two open goals, and both Van Vossened.

There has to be a reason for that.
 
Wilkinsvolley said:
Anybody who expects anybody officially connected to Rangers to get involved when they’re putting out flyers about marching against 19th Century Terrorists and doing salutes needs their head checked.
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Who mentioned that I said against Hibs and Motherwell the board let it be known they would not fight our corner.
This is what it leads to you cannot build bridges when people despise everything you stand for.
 
SmileyBear said:
Who mentioned that I said against Hibs and Motherwell the board let it be known they would not fight our corner.
This is what it leads to you cannot build bridges when people despise everything you stand for.
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We will never have common ground with the bheasts and fans of the other clubs. As you say, they hate our very existence. I can’t wait til we reclaim our rightful place. I want us to rub their fûcking noses in it.
 
Wee luvvie Patrick of the Nasties own sook it up republican mini party getting awfy upset throwing his toys out of the pram about what he sees in his own twisted and aghenda ridden perspective...right wingers..far out ones at that,fascist salutes ...really Patrick??

Where was your sense of outrage at the bile,hatred and sectarianism of the mhank hordes when they hung effigies with Rangers scarves and banners urging the killing of all 'huns'.

Not a peep or even a tweet from you then,was there Paddy.... you hypocrite.
 
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SmileyBear said:
Who mentioned that I said against Hibs and Motherwell the board let it be known they would not fight our corner.
This is what it leads to you cannot build bridges when people despise everything you stand for.
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Everybody hates us so it’s pointless doing anything.
 
There are too many cowards in Scotland who pander to this lot.

Rhancid from top to bottom , from media to politics .

Appeasement of the bomb throwers is now the name of the game , at all levels.

It is the norm.
 
They tried to end Rangers, just as they have done with so many other British institutions. They failed. They hate us.
The red hand salute however is moronic, and that’s putting it mildly.

Someone with a voice from either Rangers, or the support should respond with that very sentiment. It will put the politician Rangers hating fud in his place, and it will maybe get through to the minority of idiots amongst our support.
 
FK1872 said:
I understand what you are saying but to change the traditions and culture of our club and supporters to please others is something we will never do. Never ever.
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Traditions and culture? None of my papas did any of that nonsense. I've asked one of them and he's never seen anything like it in his day. It seems to me we are being infiltrated with folk with other agendas. Me, I just like football and support my team.
 
Said it before, mobilise a political party out of the shared beliefs of the Rangers fan base. Primarily single issue - standing up for Rangers fans. Scotlands political system is perfect for it. FFS Gregoco on twitter has probably got more subscribers in the West of Scotland than Ross Greer got votes to get elected to toy town parliament (17k)
 
FK1872 said:
Fair point but thats probably where our differences lie. I'm in my 20's and see it often at away games, not so much home games. I cant see it stopping any time soon tbh. Our support will always have the "no one likes us, we don't care' mentality
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I'm 28 and can remember doing it at games when I was a teenager, just as I also used to put a half bottle of Buckie in my trackie bottoms to drink during the game. I would have definitely fallen under the 'no one likes us we don't care' mentality you describe back then.

However, it's pretty obvious that it looks like a Nazi salute to most people, which is why I stopped doing it even though I knew it wasn't a Nazi salute.

If it was a gesture with real history behind it then I would argue it's worth defending, but it isn't. I just don't see how holding your hand in the air is worth giving our enemies an opportunity to portray as us Nazi sum. If you want to show solidarity with Ulster, then bringing the Ulster Banner is a better gesture.

I don't blame the young team, but I think someone does need to have a word with them - as more mature supporters occasionally did with myself and my pals. The problem is mainly with the older bears who come to the odd game steaming out their nuts and who like to shout '%^*& the pope' in full view of stewards and police.
 
Looks like the only way is to somehow become more political ourselves to combat this stuff but the political own goals need to stop as if I can say one thing about the eastend scum is that they are far better at it than us and seem to have support in the right areas.

They fu.king hammer us in a PR sense. We need to be smarter.
 
He will win the votes of the feckless with statements like this. We as a support are so politically fractured that Labour, the SNP and now Harvie have all put the boot in and retained our support at the ballot box in the past. Time to vote these cretins into obscurity.
 
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Our supporters ,especially the younger ones..need to get a lot more savvy and astute at playing the vipers out there at their own games.We are the Rangers family and we need to ensure we do not give our enemies the propaganda gifts they crave to make their own aghenda ridden points and to demonise,misrepresent us and point the finger at us .
 
Patrick is a Green MP who claimed for the use of a cement mixer on his expenses. Tells you everything you need to know.
 
Harvie has defamed everyone on that march as either sectarian / far right or both. I'm surprised no-one there has contacted their lawyer. An open goal as Harvie would have to prove in Court that they were sectarian or racist bigots.
 
Sick of hearing about this sort of sh*t now.

I would rather we focus on this when there hasn't been an Old Firm defeat as it just looks like us throwing our toys out the pram.

We now live in a country that they rule so we have to watch what we say and do, that is the sad reality of it.
 
Eric_Cartman said:
I've had a debate with a group of SNP diehard bellends on facebook who are friends of a friend since the game about this.

It all started when the 1st post showed the Union Bears march under the tag line 'Not In My Scotland'.

I think I'm a reasonable guy. I've explained calmly what it is, even said I think it's utter bollocks too, but defended the march as nothing more than a fan group adding to the occasion and atmosphere with a bit of noise and colour. I also said I have no problem with their lot doing the same, which I don't, as long as no one getting hurt I've no problem with it at all.

In the replies I've been called a 'moron', 'braindead moron', 'not a normal sane person', 'A sick individual'.

I've not once insulted anyone throughout the whole thread.

Funny enough most of the punters replying still have a 'Yes' picture as their profile, and most have posted stuff celebrating their result yesterday.

They are not interested in debate. It's their way or nothing.
They are not interested in free speech. It's their speech or nothing.
They are not interested in freedom of expression. It's their expression or nothing.

Now we have elected members of Parliament acting in the same way?
We're on a very slippery slope if you ask me.
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I agree with your post but especially this bit.

The irony of these social justice warriors (SJW's) challenging what anyone says and does yet they are the most abusive and offensive types of people i know.
 
So wearing black clothing and balaclavas makes you a fascist . Someone obviously forgot to tell these pseudo--lefty tramps.

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Its like a generation missed Villarreal 2006 and Osasuna 2007

Made it an absolute doddle for them lads
 
Sebo1872 said:
I agree with your post but especially this bit.

The irony of these social justice warriors (SJW's) challenging what anyone says and does yet they are the most abusive and offensive types of people i know.
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One of the folk is still going. Calling me all sorts.
Again I've said nothing offensive at all.
The worst thing about this one?
She's a primary school teacher of 7 year old kids.

It's actually really amusing seeing a grown woman completely lose the plot over this.
If that's the calibre of her debating abilities, no wonder they lost the referendum.
 
I dont even think its any type of salute. Its a still picture taking from a march. I dont think its deliberate at all. I dont know any 'nazi' involved in all of the UB or the section from my time in the section. It's just not a far right group no matter how much they try and portray it as that. Infact their was an Asian boy standing in the section in my time.
 
The Green Party. That’s the party that want to end denominational schooling, isn’t it ?

Maybe he could tell us all how that part of his political ideology is working out and what he has done about it .........
 
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