Patrick Harvie tweet

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  1. Bearwood Bear

    Bearwood Bear Well-Known Member

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    They've been trying to pin that one on us for decades: it's a lie, a quite deliberate one, and what's more they know it.
     
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    Some people, when they sing, point their fingers in the sky. Some people sing with their hands by their side. Some people sing with one/two hands in the air.

    When I go to a night out/gigs in Glasgow I put one hand in the air. A photo of me at the right time at the Killers gig and it could be taken as a nazi salute.

    They make the photos work to suit their agenda.
     
  3. RuchazieBlue

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    Let’s be honest Harvie is a wee wank who is irrelevant.

    He loves to stir it and takes his chance when an opportunity falls at his feet
     
  4. BlueHaze

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    Sometimes you do things kind of automatic without thinking quite innocently after all you are at a football match not a political rally,Harvie is a life long career politician he can't for one minute understand the mindset of a typical football supporter,It seems pretty obvious to me he has been fed some one sided propaganda.
     
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  5. mendes

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    So no answer as to why a raised arm in yourmind =nazi salute. Maybe best we just ignore each other.
     
  6. Sutton_Blows_goats

    Sutton_Blows_goats Well-Known Member

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    He is only trying to peddle the OBFA stuff that he has championed and attacking Rangers fans is the best way to curry favor for it
     
  7. Turrabear

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    Nail on the head mate.
     
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    Laughable indeed, now our own support jumping on the bandwagon.

    It’s clear as day it’s not, just look at the video footage!

    Some need to look at themselves if they think this is some sort of Nazi group!

    Ps I’ve just found pictures on google of the shite brigade march, I would post it on here But im not, many people making the same lifting hand gestures!
     
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  9. mendes

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    I made the same point about their. Gb marches earlier in the thread
     
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    Lets do that. I told you in a prior post and you clearly failed to understand.
     
  11. RFC#1Scotty

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    Embarrass myself?

    What's the economic calculation problem?
     
  12. dmgers

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    f..K these anti Rangers/British CANTS it's about time bears woke up they HATE us and everything we represent and it hurts them WE are getting and growing stronger.
    WATP
     
  13. mendes

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    oh yes, that's right.I haven't understood anything you've said in your various replies! :D

    Just keep ignoring me
     
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  14. Bearwood Bear

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    The problem is with the illogical political drivel. You can't just just throw random nouns and adjectives left over from a Daily Mail editorial meeting together and think it's political gold.

    Conflating different political systems, a view of fascism that wouldn't be out of place in a Steve Bannon wet dream and describing a Green as 'a filthy rabid communist red shirt lefty'?

    Chill, man.
     
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    RFC#1Scotty Well-Known Member

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    I'm someone who strongly understands the left like the back of my hand, understands their mindset, how their minds tick, how they're driven not by reason, but by emotion; a person with very strong knowledge in what I speak of and I certainly did not pick that up from some Daily Mail article.

    As for those who support Celtic? A lot of them are sympathetic to the left, one only needs to look at the difference between Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland to see this. I understand things aren't exactly black and white, but you do generally tend to find that people who do support separatism of Scotland going its own way and support the "united Ireland" do tend to sway to the left.

    All it takes is an understanding of their mentality, for example; the hatred of everything British or American by the left, apparently in their head, everything of being proud of being British means the support of British Imperialism and Colonialism etc. Look at the left's view of American patriots, they associate racism and slavery of the past and you can generally spot these people because they're self-loathing, in other words; everything British is despised because it's associated with imperialism and colonialism in their narrow-minded view and everything American is associated with the KKK and slavery.

    Of course, history paints a very different picture, but that's how you can see the majority of their support are leftist, by their ignorance of British history.
     
  16. Bearwood Bear

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    Hate to break this to you mate, but as a fifty something who is in and of the Left I can tell you that you have zero insight into my mindset, motivation and modus operandi - or that of most of the people I associate with politically. Half of what you say above is fine, but half of it really isn't.

    (This isn't the place to batter on with this, but if at any time you're prepared to reconsider your trenchantly held views, I'd be happy to chat via PM.)
     
  17. RFC#1Scotty

    RFC#1Scotty Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't need to, if anyone wishes to find myself they can find me on YouTube: Libertarian Views Scotty M. As for understanding the mindset of the left like the back of my hand? I stated that because I've debated countless leftists, not one has been any different, one word sums them up to a tee: irrational.
     
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  18. Desmond Clutterbuck

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    Harvey keeps saying eh has no interest in football so what not shut the %^*& up about it?
     
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    I don't know why people get annoyed at eejits such as Harvie.
    If he annoys you so much, then clatter the runt first time you see him.
    Either that or he will shoot himself in the foot soon as they can't help themselves.
     
  20. Scottbear

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    Ah our good friend Mr Harvie;

    I have had correspondence with him after a few "talking points" in Scottish football, which it appears he likes to comment on, selectively.

    This was his reply when I questioned him on what he thought of the "Kill All Huns" and the mock hangings. As a note of interest, Mr Harvie did not publicly tweet anything about this game or the scences.



    Note, both sides. Now without any blue tinted specs on, I do not recall and "vile or unacceptable behaviour" on such a scale that day?

    Below is another reply from Mr Harvie regarding the anti-semetic scenes that were on show during a midweek in August 2016. As above mr Harvie did make a public tweet, congratulating everyone involved in the display.



    Now we are constantly told to keep politics and football seperate, it would now appear that Mr Harvie, would appear to not hold this view and that a sporting arena is seemingly an appropriate stage to push support for a political ideology,as long as its Palestine, left wing views or basically anything just aslong as it's not remotely right wing because well, that's just down right wrong, bigoted and sectarian.

    Make your mind up.
     
  21. Bearwood Bear

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    Aye, whatever.
     
  22. mad4rfcme

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    Paddy, you are irrelevant, left field clown, another boring Rangers hater and a pathetic poodle for herr Nikla. Stfu.
     
  23. Lamberts Teeth

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    Weirdly his party are the only party in Scotland who want to abolish our apartheid education system. The catholic establishment hate the Green Party.
     
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    see if you look atvsone of the other pica you will see everyone clapping i presune the oicture has been taken mid shot a mountain out of a mole hill b3cause its another way to set the agenda on us. %^*& them im a proud white unionist gers fan and theres %^*& all the matter with it. I love the hate:cool:
     
  25. babaji

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    Do they? My understanding was that the Green Party in England want to abolish faith schools. However the Green Party in Scotland are ambivalent on the issue. I could be wrong, but that was the case a number of years ago.

    Does anyone know if Harvie has been contacted re the abuse of Russell Martin ?
     
  27. babaji

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    Every picture tells a story..

    I'm sure we've all seen iconic photographs, the young girl in vietnam running naked after the American military napalm her village is one, that was a moment in time. It also fuelled the anti war protests back in the states.

    Those may not be iconic photographs but to a casual observor they would look like nazi salutes especially with their faces covered. This allows others to run with the narrative while we, well some of us anyway, try and defend it.

    The problem here is that you, and others are trying to defend the indefensible, the guys don't look as if they're singing, chanting or even clapping, seeing as they've only got one arm raised that would be kinda difficult.

    It's about time that we got our shit together and mibbe get a bit more media savvy, without becoming the tartan trannies that is.

    It's tiresome being constantly on the back foot having to defend ourselves from our various enemies because of some fans stupidity. The ironic thing is i reckon they'd hate us even more if we stopped giving them the ammo which would be a fantastic result:)
     
  28. FakeGenius

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    I could be wrong but I think the Greens in Scotland wanting to abolish seperate schooling was more of a thing under Robin Harper's leadership.

    Think the issue was quickly forgotten when he was replaced.
     
  29. babaji

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    Like what?
     
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    again as I've asked others, why automatically do you look at that and think they because they have their arm raised are doing or look like they doing a Nazi salute? you also state they"have their faces covered"", so what? the brits a few weeks ag0 had the grime artist stormzy with a backing choir that all had their faces covered with balaclavas so do I take from that all black people are threatening..of course, i don't!

    People like yourself have the football equivalent to battered wives syndrome in that its always us that as a support that has to be in the wrong, even though the GB have had plenty of similar marches and there are plenty of pictures and videos of their marches with their marches raising their arms in a very similar fashion to the lads from the UB at the weekend..
     
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  31. Wilkinsvolley

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    Like advertising it as a march against fenians with the logo.
     
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    There's plenty of pictures of the green brigade doing Nazi salutes, they must be right wing extremists as well then:rolleyes:
     
  33. Jaws II

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    Just a nasty little republican playing to his audience.
    Again people fooled on here that nationalists are socialists. Nationalists adopt the clothes of whatever is the natural leaning of any nation.
    In England it leans to the right in Scotland a naturally moderately left leaning country they pretend to be this.
    Policies though tell you what they are , republican nationalists.
     
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    I have seen some conceited arrogant pish on FF before but his comments are up there. I know how the left think :)
     
  35. babaji

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    Can't beat a good FF witch-hunt, anyway man up & name them, if you're wrong with any you should be banned.

    I've not seen anyone siding with that vile tosser.
     
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    Best not look at his YT channel then o_O
     
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  37. Jaws II

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    He is probably sponsored by brain force and thinks all lefties eat too much soya and are turning into woman:)
    (Yes there are fucking rockets who believe this shit):)
     
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  38. babaji

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    You held up one hand whilst singing?

    It's all about context, what the circumstances are at that particular time.

    We can all sit in our wee bubble telling each other that no way is it a nazi salute, in the meantime the world inexorably keeps turning.

    We've got to wise up.
     
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    Bang on the money mate !!
     
  40. mendes

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    is alan sheerer a nazi supporter? he is within a football stadium with his arm raised after all!

    [​IMG]
     
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    1. Mr Harvie saying clubs should be accountable.

    Then surely MP's in Parliament should be accountable for all MP's allowed in the chamber, there should have been an order in place to remove undesirables.

    Clubs can ban fans.
     
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    Lolz, you post some amount of sh.ite. people like just want to stick your head in the sand.

    I've never said that it's a nazi salute but it looks like it and that's what the problem is.

    Do you have any understanding of context because it certainly doesnt look like it with you trying to link a harry potter film and an alan shearer goal celebration to the photo of the lads with their faces covered ang giving what has been interpreted as a nazi salute by our enemies.

    If the fans done the same inside the ground do you think the club would defend the fans...I'll answer that for you, not a fkn chance in hell:)

    By the way don't quote the fascist goon bawbags to me as i don't give a ff about them
     
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    This is an interesting post, for those on twitter, surely your expenses as an MSP don't cover this!
     
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    He just needs to dress up and he will be in love with Brendan as he will be used to taking it up the rear.
     
  45. mendes

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    I think there should be a helpline for rangers fans like yourself that suffer from this batteted wives syndrome.

    You say;

    "I've never said that it's a nazi salute but it looks like it and that's what the problem is"

    christ almighty! raising your hand now equals a Nazi salute and that's what you should automatically equate this action with when you do it.. really!.

    You clearly have failed to understand the point of why posters have posted the various pictures of people raising their hands so frankly on that you are a lost cause.

    you also say don't mention the GB to you well tough, as the UB shouldn't be treated any different to their fan group which has had plenty of similar marches and if don't want parity for our supporters then it is you that posts some amount of nonsense!
     
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    Seriously what’s the point anymore? Celtic fans can hang effigies of a Rangers fan and nothing is said, yet a Rangers fan wears a balaclava and it’s seen as “intimidation”. Look the left wing in Scotland is always going to attack anything that is seen as British (which is us in sporting terms) and turn a blind eye to anything that is in direct opposition to us. It’s been this way for years now and nothing’s going to change it. The Scottish Cup Final two years ago should’ve highlighted this to every Rangers fan.
     
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    The world keeps on turning because the world doesn't give a sh*t.

    This is a Scottish tribalism issue. The context is tribalism. A common weapon deployed by the likes of Harvie are lies told deliberately to dehumanise the enemy tribe. He sees Rangers supporters as his enemy. It's not even about trying to influence opinion. Good people know the truth anyway. Everyone sees through these games.

    The march was about Rangers supporters coming together, and approaching a crucial game against our worst enemy in togetherness. It wasn't about political awareness, it wasn't about winning friends and influencing people, and such marches never will be. It doesn't matter in the context of "PR wars". There is no PR in tribalism. Harvie is tribal, the SNP are tribal, Celtic are tribal, Rangers supporters are tribal. Tribal battles are about attrition.

    The tribal media favour Celtic rather than us. Not through a sense of right or wrong, but due to their own prejudice. No matter what the Rangers support do, or say, the old media, supported by tribal politicians, will ensure it is reported negatively. It can't be emphasised enough, no matter what. There isn't any point in being concerned with them.

    Digital is changing this reporting advantage the Rangers hating tribe hold. We're gaining some traction through social media platforms. Only in the sense we can get our version of events out. It still means nothing in the bigger picture of addressing Scotland's tribal society. It'll just mean there are two versions of events being reported. Doesn't change the fact a tribal war of attrition is being fought.

    There are only going to be losers in this "war" until Scotland admits its tribalism at all levels, and takes genuine steps to find solutions.
     
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    You actually believe that drivel ? :confused: Why is that when any Rangers-hating clown, Harvie being just the latest of many, makes up utter unfounded bullshit about our support there are supposed Rangers fans willing to go along with their craziness ? Its no wonder they can away with their endless attacks on our club and fanbase.
     
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  49. BlueHaze

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    As a few posters have said it's all about context,A political rally is different from a football match,As a gay man Harvey has probably more than his fare share bigoted comments aimed at him so it proves that gay men can be as bigoted as everyone else.
     
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    First step should be ending of BBC licence fee (and a campaign for that) and no Bears should ever buy, click on or share Daily Record, Sun, Radio Clyde, Evening Times/Herald. For starters.
     

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