Patrick McGuire speaks to BBC Radio on Celtic Boys Club Abuse

Valley Bluenose

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Waste of time putting stuff on here mate. Things especially in football can change in an instant. I have known people at the highest level inside our club but I would never post anything I am told because of the nonsense you get on here when things change.
I speak to Haining from time to time and I have a fair idea where his info came from for that story breaking and I would trust what he says 100%. Unfortunately things can change so quickly and people just don’t see that.
I have an idea of his sources as well and trust him on this one. Things can change, especially when the lawyers get involved.

I'm not lucky enough to be privy to any 'inside info' but if I was I wouldn't be subjecting myself to the inevitable abuse that comes with posting anything on here that's for sure.
 

bluetwo15

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Maybe Lawell got a hold of the front page and said he had evidence that contradicted the report


The lawyers and police might be at the chamber of secrets right now looking for these “Peter Files.”
 

daven37

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Taking Haining at his word, as I do, the obvious corollary is that someone, or some entity, has intervened to block the article. What would the motivation for that be?
Could any information put out by the media damage any case against the filth?

I mean it could be argued that since the info is already out there, a jury would have a preconceived perception of guilt if there was a trial.
 

The Double A Man

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Tricky one it has to be said, but in the normal course of events say something happens, a robbery for example. The police in trying to solve it put out information-2 males with balaclavas on, one with a limp and the other with one arm longer than the other stole #20,000 in Scottish notes from xxx post office in xxx road. The information is out there and the jury are aware of it from media publications etc at the time of the trial.
 

Turrabear

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When I was at Uni, I remember being told a story from one of them about how Jock Stein found out about it all and booted Jim Torbett out of his office. It was spoken about as if it was a badge of honour at the time, which was in the late 90s. I find it amazing that an entire fanbase can consciously wipe out accepted facts like this and collectively start believing something else.
Obviously didn,t have phones at Celtic at the time.
 

Hillheadbear

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I think this is getting beyond Celtic's means to control events. There are too many lawyers involved, too many court cases and if it goes international they are done.

At the moment there is still a lid on it but that is probably more for legal reasons than anything else. While cases are ongoing the media are going to be very restrained in reporting.

Not everyone in Scotland is a Celtc fan or even a football fan. There are lawyers and journalists who want to make a name for themselves or who just want to do the right thing. There may even be some who are hostile to Celtc. In the USA there are probably a number of lawyers who smell money hence the recent story about possible litigation there.

It is quite clear that the Celtc statements are written by their lawyers. But the separate entity fig leaf isn't going to work and they probably know it. There is too much hard evidence to the contrary.

The Scottish mhedia may be pro-Celtc but their bosses are outside Scotland. When the brown stuff finally hits the fan then they may find themselves overruled. Nobody wants to be considered 'soft' on child abuse.

As to Holyrood, there will come a point where the political disadvantages of sucking up to the Celtc constituency outweigh the political advantages. Sturgeon and the SNP have enough problems as it is. They won't need accusations of protecting abusers on top of that.

So I think we all need to be patient and I also think that we should never forget that the end-game here is justice for the victims and not getting one over on the mhanks.
 

El Buble

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Reading between the lines :rolleyes: it looks like the Scottish Sun is going with the US angle and Cairney whereas the Record are from the Scotland and Torbett side from Patrick Maguire.

As someone said above Peter might be firefighting with pulling articles, but this is soon to be too big for even master of propaganda like himself.
 

BackJardine

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Reading between the lines :rolleyes: it looks like the Scottish Sun is going with the US angle and Cairney whereas the Record are from the Scotland and Torbett side from Patrick Maguire.

As someone said above Peter might be firefighting with pulling articles, but this is soon to be too big for even master of propaganda like himself.
They are really making a worse name for themselves. I mean just come out and assist in uncovering the truth at what went on, I don't believe for a second the people there currently don't know the full extent of what went on. They would be held in much higher regard than what they are currently.
 

BigJig1872

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It’s beyond political and media driven agenda now.

The whole world will be exposed to what this scum really are and were.

Sooner the are all brought to justice the better, it just shows you how tight knitted and lipped they all were in the disgusting ‘ring’ that not one of them has blown the whistle on the whole lot.
 

daven37

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It’s beyond political and media driven agenda now.

The whole world will be exposed to what this scum really are and were.

Sooner the are all brought to justice the better, it just shows you how tight knitted and lipped they all were in the disgusting ‘ring’ that not one of them has blown the whistle on the whole lot.
Mate the Catholic church has been exposed for decades on a global scale and fxxk all has happened to them.

The scum will be able to throw the biggest and best lawyers at this whether in the UK or US. The cost of which will be minimal compared to the potential damages they face.
 

LisburnLoyalBear

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Mate the Catholic church has been exposed for decades on a global scale and fxxk all has happened to them.

The scum will be able to throw the biggest and best lawyers at this whether in the UK or US. The cost of which will be minimal compared to the potential damages they face.
The Catholic Church has been exposed on a global scale and it has had an effect.

Decline.

The scum will struggle to survive if, and it's a big if, American lawyers start litigation against them.
 

Jaws2

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They are really making a worse name for themselves. I mean just come out and assist in uncovering the truth at what went on, I don't believe for a second the people there currently don't know the full extent of what went on. They would be held in much higher regard than what they are currently.
They absolutely should have got out ahead of this but the problem is they've spent so many years covering up and denying that all they can do now is wait for the shitstorm and pray they can somehow come out of it in one piece. They're guilty as hell and they know it despite all the "separate entity" nonsense.

They'll no doubt survive in football terms - apparently it's not as bad as EBTs after all - but at what cost to their finances and reputation?
 

brand69

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They absolutely should have got out ahead of this but the problem is they've spent so many years covering up and denying that all they can do now is wait for the shitstorm and pray they can somehow come out of it in one piece. They're guilty as hell and they know it despite all the "separate entity" nonsense.

They'll no doubt survive in football terms - apparently it's not as bad as EBTs after all - but at what cost to their finances and reputation?
Any company sponsoring them should hang their heads in shame. Any football authority allowing them to play in competition’s should hang their heads in shame. Any club willing to let them into their stadium should hang their heads in shame.
 

steve1873

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I think this is getting beyond Celtic's means to control events. There are too many lawyers involved, too many court cases and if it goes international they are done.

At the moment there is still a lid on it but that is probably more for legal reasons than anything else. While cases are ongoing the media are going to be very restrained in reporting.

Not everyone in Scotland is a Celtc fan or even a football fan. There are lawyers and journalists who want to make a name for themselves or who just want to do the right thing. There may even be some who are hostile to Celtc. In the USA there are probably a number of lawyers who smell money hence the recent story about possible litigation there.

It is quite clear that the Celtc statements are written by their lawyers. But the separate entity fig leaf isn't going to work and they probably know it. There is too much hard evidence to the contrary.

The Scottish mhedia may be pro-Celtc but their bosses are outside Scotland. When the brown stuff finally hits the fan then they may find themselves overruled. Nobody wants to be considered 'soft' on child abuse.

As to Holyrood, there will come a point where the political disadvantages of sucking up to the Celtc constituency outweigh the political advantages. Sturgeon and the SNP have enough problems as it is. They won't need accusations of protecting abusers on top of that.

So I think we all need to be patient and I also think that we should never forget that the end-game here is justice for the victims and not getting one over on the mhanks.
A good post as usual HHB. However I have to take issue with the soft on child abuse part. It certainly doesn't seem to be an issue for the Scottish judiciary!
 

Bluethruandthru

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They are really making a worse name for themselves. I mean just come out and assist in uncovering the truth at what went on, I don't believe for a second the people there currently don't know the full extent of what went on. They would be held in much higher regard than what they are currently.

Listen, if the current incumbents behaviour proves anything its that this is an RC issue. Deny, deflect, and above all protect the "Church". Its intrinsic with them and that is the cold truth.

All these decades later and the party line remains EXACTLY the same as it did when the names of Whyte and Kelly hung above the front door.
 

daven37

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The Catholic Church has been exposed on a global scale and it has had an effect.

Decline.

The scum will struggle to survive if, and it's a big if, American lawyers start litigation against them.
Fxxking horrific reading the numbers in that. Despite these crimes, it remains one of the richest organisations on the planet.

Will the catholic church use its influence if US lawyers go to town on celtic? Can or will the Scottish Government put up barriers?

The Filth will try to ride this out.
 

Foddo Foddo

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For some time now I'd finish my comments on this issue with 'tick tock' but now comeuppance time is fast approaching and it really is tick tock tick tock tick tock......... shut the fcukers down.
 

Bluethruandthru

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Mate the Catholic church has been exposed for decades on a global scale and fxxk all has happened to them.

The scum will be able to throw the biggest and best lawyers at this whether in the UK or US. The cost of which will be minimal compared to the potential damages they face.
There are countless examples of far bigger names than that of cfc who have fallen due to the weight of evidence against them so let's stop with the fallacy they are untouchable.

The truth has a way of finding an out regardless of the how much is spent on keeping it under wraps. For the first time in decades the scum's campaign of suppressing the truth is finally looking like a lost cause. There is an air of inevitability about all of this now and God knows they have had it coming.
 

Mview83

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For those saying Celtic supporting lawyers won’t take the cases or will look to ‘get inside’ the cases and look to protect them, not everyone is like you or I - many people value their career over their football team and a case like this will make them.

Indeed it was a supposed Rangers man in Donald Muir who pressurised us for the bank to further his own end.
 

Blue Lew

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For those saying Celtic supporting lawyers won’t take the cases or will look to ‘get inside’ the cases and look to protect them, not everyone is like you or I - many people value their career over their football team and a case like this will make them.

Indeed it was a supposed Rangers man in Donald Muir who pressurised us for the bank to further his own end.
In an ideal world that's exactly what would happen but that lot are not normal. The club still hasn't apologised, tried to distance itself from the boys club and their scum fans are praying and hoping that it will go away. Don't think I would trust anyone with links to that cesspit.
 

muttley

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I remember years ago the Peasants actually invited victims to the Piggery. It might have been during the McCann era. Why would they even try to invent this " separate entity" horse manure when this is all known ? Its mental. :oops:
 

jf1960

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I am starting to tweet and email every sponsor involved with this rotten mob. I urge every bear to do the same.

I will not be wearing any new balance gear or betting with dafabet as they involved with child abusing scum.

I really bought newbalance anyway ....
I tried this a while back never got one reply, if you get a proper list i would try it again
 

daven37

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There are countless examples of far bigger names than that of cfc who have fallen due to the weight of evidence against them so let's stop with the fallacy they are untouchable.

The truth has a way of finding an out regardless of the how much is spent on keeping it under wraps. For the first time in decades the scum's campaign of suppressing the truth is finally looking like a lost cause. There is an air of inevitability about all of this now and God knows they have had it coming.
Am not saying they are untouchable mate.

There are concerns however -

Will the Scottish Government do anything - either force an investigation or actually in some way protect the filth?
Will the catholic church interfere?
The separate entity line will not stop them being punished but may soften the blow
Have the football authorities in Scotland got the balls to do anything - especially with high filth influence creeping about the Hampden corridors.
 

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