Clearly a fake. £30 software
Clearly a fake. £30 software
Yes, and defences weren't as organised in Maradona's time as they are now .
And that is exactly why I still consider him to be the finest football player to ever grace the game!Probably a generation thing, but when I was growing up it seemed the whole football world accepted Pele was the greatest.
Not just the youngest ever to play in the world cup final. At 17, he then scored twice in it including one incredible bit of skill.
I remember the 1970 team, they were football perfection. And Pele was their general, the main man, and a total genius.
What messi's hardon?!!!!!This i like very much
Jaerzhino, Revilino, even Felix was a great keeper. Even though I was taken to Ibrox every fortnight since aged four watching that team when I was nine made me fall in love with football.That goal Carlos Alberto scores is simply brilliant, the pass by pele and smashed into the net , brilliant
Aye and with an overhead kick.Messi would more likely protect nazis, the great Pele scored against them with broken/cracked ribs ffs, so no contest really.
Nonsense.
They could KICK anything that moved back then for a start. Nowadays Messi is touched and it's foul while running on pitches like bowling greens compared to Maradona's or Pele's day.
That's just for starters. Add into it a Barcelona team full of superstars.
I'm too young to know how good Pele or George Best were, but you didn't include Best in that? I remember some people saying Best was the best ever- looking at clips of Best in his prime he looks to have been very similar to Cryuff in some respects.Pele is correct . He and maradona are miles ahead of the rest .
Messi would be 5th or 6th mind you so I think peles comments on him having one skill are frankly ridiculous .
For me it’s Pele, Maradona, Cryff , Michael Laudrup , Messi in that order .
Nothing wrong wi that!!I tend to dismiss anyone's football knowledge if they don't agree that Maradona was the greatest.
That includes the blabbering Pele. Highlight reel full of dreadful misses and a career of goals v pub teams.
Wow. Taxi!!!!!!Some amount of madness in this thread.
Pelé was utterly streets ahead of everyone at the time. Notably, at the time.
In terms of footballing talent, I’d suggest Morelos is close to what Pelé was. Like, if you got a time machine and sent Morelos back or Pelé forward, there wouldn’t be a huge gulf in it.
Thus, Messi is the most technically gifted and best footballer to ever walk this earth. Undeniable.
I’d walk in to an international team from 1958 ffs. Just do a Cruyff turn and blow everyone’s minds.
The problem is is half of people just greatness on achievements and half of them judge it on ability.
I also reckon that Pele was better than Messi,Pele is qualified to judge. I reckon he is better than Messi. But what did he make of big Hatch?
Pele won one of his three world cups with Brazil in Sweden. In Pele's era there was little movement of players between countries. No big transfer fees either. Agents weren't invented yet, and clubs called the shots.Pele was a great player, but he never played in Europe, unfortunately as he has got older he has become a bit stupid,
Most goals scored in a season by Maradona - 43
Messi has surpassed this 7 times in the past decade, Messi is the greatest
Some amount of madness in this thread.
Pelé was utterly streets ahead of everyone at the time. Notably, at the time.
In terms of footballing talent, I’d suggest Morelos is close to what Pelé was. Like, if you got a time machine and sent Morelos back or Pelé forward, there wouldn’t be a huge gulf in it.
Thus, Messi is the most technically gifted and best footballer to ever walk this earth. Undeniable.
I’d walk in to an international team from 1958 ffs. Just do a Cruyff turn and blow everyone’s minds.
The problem is is half of people just greatness on achievements and half of them judge it on ability.
This post instantly goes down in FF legend! I've never read anything quite like it beforeSome amount of madness in this thread.
Pelé was utterly streets ahead of everyone at the time. Notably, at the time.
In terms of footballing talent, I’d suggest Morelos is close to what Pelé was. Like, if you got a time machine and sent Morelos back or Pelé forward, there wouldn’t be a huge gulf in it.
Thus, Messi is the most technically gifted and best footballer to ever walk this earth. Undeniable.
I’d walk in to an international team from 1958 ffs. Just do a Cruyff turn and blow everyone’s minds.
The problem is is half of people just greatness on achievements and half of them judge it on ability.
Pele was a great player, but he never played in Europe, unfortunately as he has got older he has become a bit stupid,
This post instantly goes down in FF legend! I've never read anything quite like it before
He played against the Worlds best players including those who played in Europe and he shone!
Always worth reposting this when people say Maradona won things 'on his own'
http://www.averageopposition.com/2012/03/the-myth-of-maradona.html
Alex Ferguson said it before that great players would've been great players in any era...I'd agree with that. But to say Messi can't be ahead of Pele or Maradona because he hasn't won a World Cup is ludicrous. He's won every other title imaginable (several times) and his consistency sets him apart from anyone else IMO.
The physical demands are much higher on players nowadays as well. They regularly play twice a week and over 60 games per season...can the same be said back in the Pele / Maradona eras? Fitness was nothing back then.
In every other sporting field, athlete's today would wipe the floor with athletes of the past...the same would be true with footballers.
Pele scored international goals against Argentina, Paraguay, Bulgaria, Soviet Union, Wales, France, Sweden, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, England, United Arab Emirates, Denmark, Portugal, Mexico, Czechoslovakia, Holland, West Germany, Italy, Belgium, Algeria, Poland, Scotland, Yugoslavia, Colombia, Venezuela, Austria and Romania.
77 goals in 95 internationals.
He didn't need to play in Europe to score against most of their best defenders!
When talking about the GOAT we are talking about footballing ability etc not just trophies.
It's pretty easy to win trophies in the comfort of that Barca team for years surrounded by Superstars.
Maradona won the WC practically dragging his nation too it.
He's proved himself in the best league in the world with a middle of the road team winning the championship. Those are the cold hard facts. Messi couldn't lace his boots.
Neymar will surpass his goal tally for Brazil, is he better than Pele?
When talking about the GOAT we are talking about footballing ability etc not just trophies.
It's pretty easy to win trophies in the comfort of that Barca team for years surrounded by Superstars.
Maradona won the WC practically dragging his nation too it.
He's proved himself in the best league in the world with a middle of the road team winning the championship. Those are the cold hard facts. Messi couldn't lace his boots.
Pele scored international goals against Argentina, Paraguay, Bulgaria, Soviet Union, Wales, France, Sweden, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, England, United Arab Emirates, Denmark, Portugal, Mexico, Czechoslovakia, Holland, West Germany, Italy, Belgium, Algeria, Poland, Scotland, Yugoslavia, Colombia, Venezuela, Austria and Romania.
77 goals in 95 internationals.
He didn't need to play in Europe to score against most of their best defenders!
Whenever this thread comes up I try to imagine peak Federer blasting the ball past peak Fred Perry. These guys would look like aliens if they went back in time.
This is exactly how I feel aswell.
Watch this 2min clip of Fred Perry winning Wimbledon:
Just look at those serves. No, that's not the warm up, that's actual play in the final of a Grand Slam event. Fucking look at them!
The standards in every sport are progressing every generation. Messi, Ronaldo and the likes are light years ahead of Pele.
Brazilian football legend Pele has launched an astonishing attack on Barcelona star Lionel Messi by claiming he has just ‘one-skill’.
The three-time World Cup winner claimed he was the better player because he was a more complete performer than the Argentina forward.
Pele also added that Diego Maradona was a ‘much better’ player than the five-time Ballon D’Or winner as he addressed a wave of assessments of the current crop of the world’s best players
“How can you make a comparison between a guy who heads the ball well, shoots with the left, shoots with the right and another who only shoots with one leg, only has one skill and doesn’t head the ball well?” Pele told Folha de Sao Paulo when asked about Messi.
“How can you compare? To compare with Pele, it has to be someone who shoots well with the left, shoots well with the right, and scores headers.”
He also dismissed any claims that there are similarities between Messi and Maradona, who he believes is one of the greatest players of all time.
"As far as I’m concerned, Maradona was one of the best players ever. If you ask me, 'Was he better than Messi?' Yes, he was. Much better. [Franz] Beckenbauer, [Johan] Cruyff were also excellent players."
It was the egotism, the time machine, and the total disrespect of player's ability from the 60's and 70's. If you can't play international football today then you sure couldn't play it in the 60's and 70's either.Why? Standard of football was dire 60 years ago.
Being streets ahead for your time doesn’t make you streets ahead forever.
Not at all. You have to make it a level playing field. That means imagining both in the same timeline. Fred Perry coming up in modern era tennis with all its evolution, or Federer coming up as tennis was establishing itself. How would Roger cope working a full time job, using old wooden rackets, old time training methods, and wearing long trousers! It has to be ability v ability, rather than decade v decade.Whenever this thread comes up I try to imagine peak Federer blasting the ball past peak Fred Perry. These guys would look like aliens if they went back in time.
On the other hand if you put Pele in to days modern game he would probably be blowing out his arse after not long such is the higher level of fitness.Messi is well protected by modern football rules and referees. If he had to contend with the hatchet-men and professional psychos Pele did he'd never have half the goals he's got.
This is exactly how I feel aswell.
Watch this 2min clip of Fred Perry winning Wimbledon:
Just look at those serves. No, that's not the warm up, that's actual play in the final of a Grand Slam event. Fucking look at them!
The standards in every sport are progressing every generation. Messi, Ronaldo and the likes are light years ahead of Pele.
Not at all. You have to make it a level playing field. That means imagining both in the same timeline. Fred Perry coming up in modern era tennis with all its evolution, or Federer coming up as tennis was establishing itself. How would Roger cope working a full time job, using old wooden rackets, old time training methods, and wearing long trousers! It has to be ability v ability, rather than decade v decade.
It was the egotism, the time machine, and the total disrespect of player's ability from the 60's and 70's. If you can't play international football today then you sure couldn't play it in the 60's and 70's either.
He wouldn’t have survived in those days, pele was the bestMessi is well protected by modern football rules and referees. If he had to contend with the hatchet-men and professional psychos Pele did he'd never have half the goals he's got.
Anyone who uses the number racked up by Messi and Ronaldo as proof that they are better players than Maradona or Pele etc. Doesn't understand football. If Pele etc. Played in the game with it's modern rules they'd have insane numbers but the rules were different. Defenders got away with murder. Rules changed to gear the game towards a more attacking style giving forwards all sorts of advantages. I know folk talk about boots, balls and fitness etc. Too but the main factor is the rule changes. You can try to argue otherwise but you'd be wrong and I don't care enough.
I tend to dismiss anyone's football knowledge if they don't agree that Maradona was the greatest.
That includes the blabbering Pele. Highlight reel full of dreadful misses and a career of goals v pub teams.