Pele taken to hospital
- Thread starter mummymonkey
- Start date
I recon Mbappe may manage it he 100% will if they win it this year.
ItsInTheNet
Well-Known Member
Actually he had a rather quietish game overall though provided some quite astonishing flashes of footballing brilliance. But to be honest just seeing him play in the flesh was unforgettable.
What a team they had with players like Gerson and the fantastic Jairzinho in their line up alongside others.
To see both him and Jim Baxter on the same field of play was as good as it can get.
The Goal Machine
Well-Known Member
I was at that game too and you are right he was quiet. Always remember Bremner screaming at him when he was at the touchline, Pele just laughed at him.
Stevie Chalmers scored from a through ball from slim Jim Baxter.
Jan Wyck
Well-Known Member
Hope this does not come across as patronising but your opinion is not a disingenuous one given what you've witnessed in your lifetime. I saw both, and as Barca Bear states above, Pele was not fouled but assaulted several times in the 66 WC. I travelled as a ten year old with the my Old Man on the Rangers Supporters bus(a common thing then) to watch Scotland play Brazil at Hampden in 66 in a WC warm up match for the Brazilians. My abiding memory(apart from Jim Baxter) is of the Scots fans shiriking Billy Bremner for his thuggish treatment of Pele. If Pele had played in Maradona's era, or even now, his record would have been even more impressive given the better protection he would have received from officials.
I've been lucky enough to see Eusebio, Best, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Platini, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldo among others but all things being equal and the circumstances of each era being taken into account Edson Arantes de Nascimento is the GOAT. The joy he and the Brazil team at Mexico 70 gave to the football fans of the world has never been surpassed. Probably never will be.
Last edited:
Champions league/European Cup success is much more impressive imo as the standard is a lot higher, again in my opinion.
I respect your opinion and there's no right or wrong answer but personally I wouldn't have him in my top 3.
JMCK
Well-Known Member
Brilliant post. I haven't seen enough in clips to do fully appreciate Pele, but this is a great post for giving some idea of his greatness.
The Meik's Crombie
Well-Known Member
I was at the match too and I remember a couple of flash points in the game where Pele and the Brazilians were not happy about Bremner trying to dish it out to the great man. Sadly it was nothing to compare with the treatment that was dished out to Pele during the 1966 World Cup.
The 1970 World Cup showed was a fantastic player Pele was even though he was at the “advanced” age of 30.
Bluebeard
Well-Known Member
The World Cup is only played every four years. To have yourself a career that allows you to play in and actually win three of them is absolutely remarkable.
The champions league/old European cup have had many players win it three times and more and some of them wouldn’t even make a top 50 list of all time players. We’ve seen how easy it can be for top clubs like Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona to run up huge scorelines in the group stages against cannon fodder in the new bloated CL competition.
Bluebeard
Well-Known Member
Brilliant post and 100% correct.
Martyboy70
Well-Known Member
Ghosting in at the back post.
archimedes
Well-Known Member
Sir Edson Arantes do Nascimento
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Without derailing the thread, Pele's name is only mentioned due to winning three World Cups (amazing feat). But he barely played in one of them.
His club record is sketchy at best. Brazilian leagues are regional and half the time his Santos were pumping teams 5/6/7+ as they were part time lifeguards and postmen.
It's also safe to say that the standard of football back then was abysmal. It's the equivalent of walking football / over 45s nowadays.
Seriously, look at how slow paced it is.
The Meik's Crombie
Well-Known Member
One of the many factors I liked about Pele was he was a team player. It is frightening to think what his goal scoring stats would have been if he was self centred and thought it was all about him.
Kit_
Well-Known Member
Have to be as hard as nails to be a postie in Sao Paolo surely
Last edited:
Jonathan E
Well-Known Member
I've heard people down-playing Pele's great 1970's world cup moments - the shot from halfway, the dummy on the goalkeeper, neither of which resulted in a goal - but they were truly moments of genius in that he was the first to try them, though often imitated since.
That was over fifty years ago.
That was over fifty years ago.
Bluebeard
Well-Known Member
You start with “ without derailing the thread” and then that’s exactly what you do
A thread about a world icon and great inspiration to millions of kids for decades now aged 82 being rushed to hospital, and you are on it weakly trying to denigrate his career.
Pathetic and shameful stuff.
ItsInTheNet
Well-Known Member
So very very true! Quite incredible!
archimedes
Well-Known Member
I'd like to see you run fast in a pair of these..
Whilst kicking this around...
And doing this...
JMCK
Well-Known Member
Incredible use of both feet.I'd like to see you run fast in a pair of these..
Whilst kicking this around...
And doing this...
Mr. T.
Well-Known Member
That’s because you didn’t see him.
Bluebeard
Well-Known Member
Correct.
derek145
Well-Known Member
That's what I said, I think.
Ronnietheranger
Well-Known Member
Not back then they didn't.
Big Joke New
Well-Known Member
no she isn't. she died 15 years ago
mulguy1953
Well-Known Member
I was at that game with my dad, & if memorie serves me right it was an early evening KO on a Saturday
Huge que,s to get in & we missed Chalmers early goal.
Privilege to be there
I have no idea if Pele was the best ever, but younger folks are far too dismissive of him.
He played at a time when a great many of the best South American players didn't come to play in Europe, but Santos often visited Europe for very competitive friendlies against the top European teams. Santos held their own, and Pele scored quite a few.
In international football, the highest level of all back then, he played against, scored against, and beat just about everyone who mattered.
He was an absolute national treasure in Brazil, there would have been riots if he had gone abroad. And in an era they won 3 World Cups and produced a great many truly wonderful world class players, everyone saw him as the main man and a level above the others.
In his era, he was every bit as much a football God as Maradona or Messi in their eras.
A 17 year old who scored goals in a world cup quarter final, semi final and final, the last of them chipping it over a defender's head and volleying it in. Any proper football fan should be in awe of that, regardless of how long ago it was and how football has progressed.
He belongs in the discussion about who is the best.
He played at a time when a great many of the best South American players didn't come to play in Europe, but Santos often visited Europe for very competitive friendlies against the top European teams. Santos held their own, and Pele scored quite a few.
In international football, the highest level of all back then, he played against, scored against, and beat just about everyone who mattered.
He was an absolute national treasure in Brazil, there would have been riots if he had gone abroad. And in an era they won 3 World Cups and produced a great many truly wonderful world class players, everyone saw him as the main man and a level above the others.
In his era, he was every bit as much a football God as Maradona or Messi in their eras.
A 17 year old who scored goals in a world cup quarter final, semi final and final, the last of them chipping it over a defender's head and volleying it in. Any proper football fan should be in awe of that, regardless of how long ago it was and how football has progressed.
He belongs in the discussion about who is the best.
WalterSmith72
Well-Known Member
How can yous possibly Remember a game from 1966 I can barely remember a year ago
For me the standard of football now is much much higher and the likes of messi and ronaldo are exceptional athletes and the best ever as it stands
Respect for what he done at the time but he’s not even in my top 3, especially staying in Brazil all career
For me the standard of football now is much much higher and the likes of messi and ronaldo are exceptional athletes and the best ever as it stands
Respect for what he done at the time but he’s not even in my top 3, especially staying in Brazil all career
wsb&warmy
Well-Known Member
Unbelievable achievements of course, but football was different back then.
Maybe so but that Brazil team of 1970 would have been successful in any era.
lowerhuttloyal
Well-Known Member
Eusebio was the black pearl.
Big Joke New
Well-Known Member
you couldn't make that up. comedy gold
mummymonkey
Well-Known Member
Every single one of the 1970 Brazil World Cup squad played for a Brazilian club. It's nuts to suggest they were somehow lesser players because of that. Pele played for Santos along with his skipper, Carlos Alberto, a marauding right back who took that pass from Pele to score the greatest goal that has ever been scored. Tostao, as clever a midfielder as you could get, spent over a decade with Cruzeiro. Jairzinho, the Hurricane! Was 13 years at his boyhood club (where he replaced the legendary Garrincha). Not forgetting the magical Rivellino, what a player he was, 200 odd games for Corinthians.
Aye, never played in Europe, must be rubbish.
Aye, never played in Europe, must be rubbish.
Papatango
Well-Known Member
Yes they were and the had a number of outstanding talents all world class in their positions.
Then there was Pele who was a level above the mere world class players.
Pele was the reason they won three world cups and IMHO he is the GOAT.
PS
I’d love to see the £3 million a week CR7 deal with the thuggery that Pele brushed aside.
Wasn't Eusebio the "Black Panther"?
Met him once at a Nike event, I had a Brazil jersey to get signed for a charity, to be framed, right as I was getting to see him, i got another message asking to get one for another charity. I was fecked, but told him the story and his solution - he signed the front and back, told me to split the jersey, have it framed and it was job done. Got the photo's to authenticate, what a fecking rock star he was..
ItsInTheNet
Well-Known Member
Pele was known as Black Pearl and Eusebio was known as both, Black Panther/Black Pearl
Last edited:
Al Needham Loyal
Well-Known Member
Embarrassing defending tbh
SuperGers07
Well-Known Member
Football was different back then and the demands far greater now compared to 70s and 80s. I get that folk will feel nostalgic and such, but it’s just the way of it. Guys like Pele and Maradona were very much of their time for fans back then. The clear outstanding players. But:
Messi is the greatest ever and has done it over a longer period, with a sustained run of absolute brilliance. It’s scary.
I’d say Cristiano Ronaldo is probably second as much as I dislike his attitude and such, but his ability can’t be denied, even if he is clearly on the way down now.
No further correspondence shall be entered in to.
Messi is the greatest ever and has done it over a longer period, with a sustained run of absolute brilliance. It’s scary.
I’d say Cristiano Ronaldo is probably second as much as I dislike his attitude and such, but his ability can’t be denied, even if he is clearly on the way down now.
No further correspondence shall be entered in to.
SimonLeBon
Well-Known Member
Santos were an outstanding team in those days.
Sweet_Home_Alabama
Well-Known Member
Correct. And the Italian team they beat in the final would also.
Mr. T.
Well-Known Member
The ‘never played in Europe, must be rubbish’ comments probably come from the same individuals who are so fond of referring to the opposition as ‘pub teams‘ or ’diddy teams’ you know, the types who don’t really have much respect for anything or anybody.
You make the same mistake as many who go on about modern football v past football.Football was different back then and the demands far greater now compared to 70s and 80s. I get that folk will feel nostalgic and such, but it’s just the way of it. Guys like Pele and Maradona were very much of their time for fans back then. The clear outstanding players. But:
Messi is the greatest ever and has done it over a longer period, with a sustained run of absolute brilliance. It’s scary.
I’d say Cristiano Ronaldo is probably second as much as I dislike his attitude and such, but his ability can’t be denied, even if he is clearly on the way down now.
No further correspondence shall be entered in to.
The truth is you can only be as fit, big, strong, fast, etc as the era you were born in allows you to be.
Yes, football is now quicker and far more professional.
But you assume if Pele played now he would be overrun because of seeing him play 60 years ago. But if Pele played now, he would need to have been born in the last 35 years and so would have all the modern day advantages of lifestyle, diet, medicine, coaching, professionalism, money, etc. He would be as quick and strong as anyone else of this generation, plus have the amazing natural ability that exists regardless of time.
You could argue a 17yr old Messi in 1958 would not have had growth hormones, specialist medical and physical coaching, and had the diet and upbringing of a South American of the time. He would likely never have been strong enough to compete!
That's why there can never be a greatest ever, because comparisons are pointless.
Both players are all-time geniuses, I prefer just to include both in the discussion.
Leo_Ger
Well-Known Member
A true legend and icon of the game. You only have to look at how many other legendary names played in his era and how he was widely regarded above them to see where his level of ability was.
It would be sad for the game to lose him and Diego Maradona in such close succession. Two players who have inspired countless others to kick a ball.
It would be sad for the game to lose him and Diego Maradona in such close succession. Two players who have inspired countless others to kick a ball.
Blue Lou Boyle
Well-Known Member
Also worth pointing out Messi plays in an era where players are protected much more than previously.
Have a look at the treatment defenders used to dish out to Maradona. Could sometimes take three or four fouls before a yellow was brandished.
And Diego just got back up and got on with it.
Same with Pele at the 66 world cup.
