Canada Loyal
Well-Known Member
May as well just said "you win this round Rangers"
I put in a FOI request to find out the cost of the 'investigation'. Haven't had a response yet.I've just received an email regarding my complaint about the tweet Police Scotland sent out after the fake video was circulated.
Dear Name
I refer to the complaint you sent the Police Service of Scotland via email on 17 May 2021, regarding the tweet sent out on Police Scotland’s Twitter account in respect of allegations involving potential criminal offences by employees of Glasgow Rangers Football Club.
Firstly I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for the delay in responding to your email.
As Superintendent within Corporate Communications, the department who oversee and manage Police Scotland’s social media accounts, I was allocated ownership of your complaint.
Due to the high profile and wide circulation of the footage there was exceptional public interest and therefore Police Scotland were asked by a number of different media organisations for a response as to what we were doing about the video. In addition, we received a number of complaints regarding the footage and the language attributed to some people who appeared in it.
As with any allegation, especially those with significant public interest, we assessed the situationand the best method to address the public concern and media enquiries. After consultation and permission from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscals Service, we gave a response to the media and posted this on our social media channels. These are recognised investigation and public reassurance processes we undertake on a regular basis.
I don't propose to debate on the difference between certain words used in the tweet as this is very subjective, however we looked into this matter quickly and established no criminality. This was highlighted to the public and provided to the mediawithin a short timeframe.
I agree with our Professional Standards Department that due to the circumstances, your email and contents do not meet the criteria of a complaint, however I would like to assure you that any concerns or complaints about the police are treated seriously by the Police Service of Scotland. I regret that your opinion of how you felt the Police Service of Scotland should have dealt with this situation fell short of your expectations.
Yours sincerely
Derek Forsyth
Superintendent
Corporate Communications
If it's been more than 20 working days, submit a complaintI put in a FOI request to find out the cost of the 'investigation'. Haven't had a response yet.
13 working days so far. Requested the following:If it's been more than 20 working days, submit a complaint
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The person who wrote the response is a pseudo-intellectual idiot."I don't propose to debate on the difference between certain words used in the tweet as this is very subjective"
Nothing subjective about that line
It's utter bullshit
It's not easy but anything worthwhile rarely is.Too easy to dismiss complaints from individual members of the public.
Rangers could now pursue this as the response is inadequate. Refusal to "debate" the use of language while admitting it is "subjective" is pretty damning.
No difference in the words used...No Sirree."I don't propose to debate on the difference between certain words used in the tweet as this is very subjective"
Nothing subjective about that line
It's utter bullshit
Maybe there should be,it is our city after all.Its Rangers Football Club
There is no ‘Glasgow’ in our name.
One of the edited versions of the video did appear to show Rangers staff singing that with add ons.I can understand the need to issue a holding statement to prevent multiple reports of the same issue, it makes sense.
the wording of the statement doesn’t.
The police arent supposed to pre judge and therefore shouldnt be claiming our players appear to be commiting a crime. As it turns out they werent so any suggestion they were is wrong.One of the edited versions of the video did appear to show Rangers staff singing that with add ons.
In its purest form, "apparently" is the adverb of something which appears to be.
It was not the wrong word. The context of the tweet they posted was unusual in that where police investigate a possible crime or refer to an incident they (and media in general) normally use allegedly.
Quite how people think this is Sturgeon and all of the SG/SNP party with some kind of masterplan which filters right down through the Chief Constable and every officer or staff member in the Police to a £20k a year civilian staff who operates their twitter deliberately changing words in this way to target us and demean us is beyond me, and giving them much, much more credit than they are due.
Daly record, bbc Scotland and repeat“A number of different media organisations”
c,nuts
100% correctPolice Scotland are in the snps back pocket.
One of the edited versions of the video did appear to show Rangers staff singing that with add ons.
In its purest form, "apparently" is the adverb of something which appears to be.
It was not the wrong word. The context of the tweet they posted was unusual in that where police investigate a possible crime or refer to an incident they (and media in general) normally use allegedly.
Quite how people think this is Sturgeon and all of the SG/SNP party with some kind of masterplan which filters right down through the Chief Constable and every officer or staff member in the Police to a £20k a year civilian staff who operates their twitter deliberately changing words in this way to target us and demean us is beyond me, and giving them much, much more credit than they are due.
So you reckon the SNP have issued instruction to around 25,000 police officers and staff that they must do everything they can to besmirch the name of Rangers and that every one of them complies with it?You're naive if you believe that.
i suspect they wanted to stop the avalanche of complaints they were receiving from people accusing players of sectarian singingWell done for trying.
The response is inadequate because it doesn’t recognise the potential damage to Rangers players by using the word “apparently” rather than “allegedly”.
However, was a tweet necessary in the first place?
The police have to respond to media when there is a grave situation of public concern.“A number of different media organisations”
c,nuts
Generally it’s any expression of dissatisfaction that cannot be dealt with by an organisation as normal business. PS have clearly decided to categorise this as normal business in order to avoid the matter being escalated to the next tier in the complaints process.due to the circumstances, your email and contents do not meet the criteria of a complaint
A simple response would be to ask what the criteria for a complaint is.
So you reckon the SNP have issued instruction to around 25,000 police officers and staff that they must do everything they can to besmirch the name of Rangers and that every one of them complies with it?
Or do you think some lackey in the comms department got rushed into firing out a tweet and got a word wrong?
While your complaint does falls within the definition, however a complaint can only be made by the following:
· A member of the public who claims to be the person in relation to whom the act or omission took place;
· A member of the public who claims to have been adversely affected by the act or omission;
· A member of the public who claims to have witnessed the act or omission
· A person acting on behalf of a person falling within any of the above.
While you could argue that that you ‘witnessed the act or omission’, Police Scotland engaged with Glasgow Rangers Football Club as the video footage was directly linked to their employees and therefore the club, none of whom expressed any concern about how Police Scotland handled the investigation. The investigation was quickly resolved and established no crime had taken place and this information was circulated widely, through the media and our social media channels, to reassure the public and clarify the situation.
We act in the public interest and within the accepted boundaries of the law. There was nothing factually incorrect in our tweet and as such there is no requirement for a retraction or to issue an apology.
Hate crime is abhorrent and I’m sure you will agree that tackling all forms of hate is a priority for Police Scotland, a position which has widespread support across all communities and organisations in Scotland.
If you are not satisfied with the way in which your complaint has been handled, you may request a review by the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner (PIRC). If you decide to contact the PIRC, you must submit an application form to them within 3 months of the date of the letter I sent you, otherwise they may not be able to deal with your complaint. The contact details for the PIRC are outlined below.
So you reckon the SNP have issued instruction to around 25,000 police officers and staff that they must do everything they can to besmirch the name of Rangers and that every one of them complies with it?
Or do you think some lackey in the comms department got rushed into firing out a tweet and got a word wrong?
It would surprise youOne of the edited versions of the video did appear to show Rangers staff singing that with add ons.
In its purest form, "apparently" is the adverb of something which appears to be.
It was not the wrong word. The context of the tweet they posted was unusual in that where police investigate a possible crime or refer to an incident they (and media in general) normally use allegedly.
Quite how people think this is Sturgeon and all of the SG/SNP party with some kind of masterplan which filters right down through the Chief Constable and every officer or staff member in the Police to a £20k a year civilian staff who operates their twitter deliberately changing words in this way to target us and demean us is beyond me, and giving them much, much more credit than they are due.