Post window - A more positive outlook

We beat celtic in effectively a dead rubber, we’ve not beat them in a meaningful game since the Scottish Cup win.

Kyogo peaked 2 seasons ago, both Khun and Maeda had way more goals than him this season, Idah was one behind Kyogo. I fully expect Jota to get double figures between now and the end of the season. Getting £10m for a 30 y/o and getting Jota back for the same was a great bit of business.

I suspect Clement was told weeks ago he better start using youth and until he proves he knows what he is doing he was getting no more money.
Go to the Dr and get prescribed some Prozac for your anger issues which you seem to wear as a badge of honour. It's clearly having a negative effect on you.
 
I don’t understand why people are acting like it was a sensible decision not to sign anyone yesterday.

Just like most things this board do, they tried and made an arse if it.

They tried to sign a winger and couldn’t, in the same way we tried to sign an experienced 6 in the summer and couldn’t.

They are letting the fans who spend thousands each year following the team everywhere down. We will finish second again.

It is not good enough.
We would finish 2nd regardless, even if the winger was Vini Jr. The club had someone specific in mind but the selling team couldnt get a replacement. Personally, I would rather wait for the summer to get the right person than panic buy and be yet again in a position where we have people not contributing draining our money.
 
I don’t understand why people are acting like it was a sensible decision not to sign anyone yesterday.

Just like most things this board do, they tried and made an arse if it.

They tried to sign a winger and couldn’t, in the same way we tried to sign an experienced 6 in the summer and couldn’t.

They are letting the fans who spend thousands each year following the team everywhere down. We will finish second again.

It is not good enough.
See this post is a perfect example of people who still haven't grasped whats going on at the club just now.
 
The windows are going to be like this until we shift the dead wood that is costing the club hundreds of thousands of £ each week for quite literally no return.

Matondo, Dowell, Cifuentes and Davies, hopefully their moves all become permanent but they will likely be back in the summer and on the payroll again.

I understand the anger at that but it should be directed at the people that caused it, not the people in place currently who I think at least acknowledge the problem and are trying to do something about it.

Not really getting that, it's a bit childish in all honesty.
 
I don’t understand why people are acting like it was a sensible decision not to sign anyone yesterday.

Just like most things this board do, they tried and made an arse if it.

They tried to sign a winger and couldn’t, in the same way we tried to sign an experienced 6 in the summer and couldn’t.

They are letting the fans who spend thousands each year following the team everywhere down. We will finish second again.

It is not good enough.
What amazes me (well I'm not really amazed) is that we have clearly identified a problem area to try and recruit and it seems we went all in on the one target and when it didnt happen we just shrugged and went "ach we tried". Surely that isn't how recruitment is supposed to work. There should have been three, four, five alternative options surely?

Although, we did do the exact same thing two years ago when trying to sign Morgan Whittaker (look how that has turned out), it was clearly an area we needed to strengthen and when we couldn't get him, yet we managed to pay relatively big fees for guys who were out of contract in the summer, we just moved on and didn't sign anyone else for the position. Then in the summer Beale decided we weren't going to play with wingers anyway.
 
We would finish 2nd regardless, even if the winger was Vini Jr. The club had someone specific in mind but the selling team couldnt get a replacement. Personally, I would rather wait for the summer to get the right person than panic buy and be yet again in a position where we have people not contributing draining our money.

Why would a winger not contribute? Cerny is running on fumes, even at the weekend he was stretching his hammy at times.

We are an injury away from Ross mccausland starting games, it’s not good enough.

Hagi/bajrami/igamane aren’t wingers either.

I’m a big Cortes fan, more than most on here, but we needed a winger as he will need time to get up to speed even when back fit.

Rice has a chance but as a lone 6, the rest of the youngsters are currently miles off it.
 
We didn't have any funds to bring anyone in. Nor should we be spending over the odds just to consolidate second, as pathetic as that is.

Disappointing that we didn't bring anyone in likely to get much game time and also failed to sell anyone, instead some of the duds going out on short term loans.

I don't see what the mentally challengeds window has to do with anything. They're strolling the league and making profit on players they do sell, I'd hold the news of their demise for just now.

Getting more gametime from the young lads is better long term for us than spunking money or getting an expensive loan.
 
O’Riley was their top scorer in the league last season, they sold him and it hasnt affected them this season.

Kyogo was basically a one season wonder. They have not been reliant on him since that one season. As I said offloading him now (£10m for an 30y/o) and getting Jota bedded back in now is a great bit of business for them.

We’ve signed another CH on loan. By the weekend may have Souttar, Propper, Balogun, Nsiala, Fernandes, King and even Sterling all fit to fill 2 positions. Was that really a priority ?
How can a 30 year old one season wonder who can’t be relied on in a mediocre league be sold for £10m?
 
While you are right, they will have to remove a goal scoring starter in maeda or khun to play him so will lose goals from that perspective.
True.

But I think in the long term, Jota will have better stats and be a better player for them than Kyogo.
 
After sleeping on it, it’s probably a reasonably sensible window.

We don’t need to spend anything to finish second, just as they don’t need to spend anything to come top.

We’ve got a decent chance at the Scottish Cup with some luck on the injury front, and Europe is a bonus.

You don’t rebuild in January.

However, the negative is that it now forces the club, the board and Koppen into a situation where activity towards to summer window must kick off today. Start working on the younger Bosman signings, start seeing who’s available from our pool of targets with only a year left and get working towards having them in straight away.

Having a lacklustre summer window where we’re not prepared for the CL qualifiers and we’re still rushing about last minute trying to sign players would now, in my opinion, be considered unacceptable.
 
I think the thing with Kyogo was it wasnt so much the amount of goals he scored but the importance of the goals he scored. He tended to score goals against us and in cup finals etc. That's why it is laughable when that wee guy on here who is always defending Dessers on here when he hits his purple patch each season starts comparing their respective goal tallies as a means to talk him up when its largely irrelevant when you compare their medal hauls.

I'm delighted he is gone, even if he wasn't scoring his movement and general play was a pain in the arse for us.

Idah is a decent enough player but he isnt a £9m striker and is also completely different to Kyogo. Sadly he has also developed a knack of scoring against us in big games right enough. We can only hope that whilst we have to get our own recruitment spot on in the summer that this is hopefully the start of Rodgers yet again undoing someone else's good work. I think some of his signings since his return suggest that so far.
100% agree. With Kyogo it wasn’t just about his goals. His pace, movement and intelligence was very good. He helped create a lot of goals that he didn’t necessarily score or assist. Hate to say it but now he’s gone I can admit he was a great player, not just for goals. Idah doesnt have any of that, he can hold a ball up and wrestle defenders the way Dessers does but I guarantee the vast majority of defenders in this league would rather play against Idah. It’s funny that some of the usual posters are falling over themselves to defend the scum, when their own fans are raging that he wasn’t replaced.
 
Would I rather have Kyogo not playing, and Maeda not up against Tavernier in the next Old Firm - absolutely.
Agree in general. .

Maeda is utter gash. Those performances v Tav said more about Tav than Maeda.

Jota will offer more on that side than Maeda and he’ll score/assist more.
 
I don't think Philippe Clement will be pleased with how the window panned out — managers will always want as many options as possible — but ultimately this is what he would have made aware of when he signed that extension.

I can see the argument for both sides. A winger would have been nice but would we have registered them for Europe? I doubt it. With that in mind, it becomes a bit of a pointless exercise given the league is over. On the flipside, if we go to Parkhead and take a pumping with an inexperienced side, then you'll have plenty of fans doing a volte-face, asking why we didn't do more to stop such a situation from happening.
 
I’m very much glass half full from January.

Our problems aren’t just connected to the players on the pitch, but clearly the general malaise around the club. I don’t think it’s unfair to assume that there is more pressure on Clement than there should be, with people not being in post to support the Manager.

We have a Chairman and CEO up and running now. Clement has a new assistant manager. We’ve added a sports scientist to the back room staff. We’ve tied Curtis to a new contract. We’ve got Matondo and Dowell out the door. We’ve seen more of Bailey Rice. Nsiala has come in from the cold and is playing well. Dessers has rediscovered form. We qualified outright for the next stage of the Europa League. There’s significant transfer talk of Igamane and Jefte which boosts our profile further.

We are far from a finished article, but players failing to come in January doesn’t signal a disaster. We have done things that hopefully provide that support to the manager, and give a freshness to the playing squad by giving youth that chance, and getting rid of players who are clearly phoning it in. So hopefully an improved working environment all round.
 
I think some people are just raging because they love the excitement of a new signing.

Had we signed an Aaron Ramsey or a Fabio Silva they'd be delighted, even though it would be an utter waste of money and put us further back and even though doing shit like that just because is what's put us in the position we are in now.

I'm more comfortable that we are no longer paying over the odds for players that don't fit what we are trying to do, we need to fix forward not continually do the same.

If the right player isn't available for the right fee, then we should not be signing that player. If we can't get that player in the money is saved for when we can, not just wasted. for the sake of it.
 
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O’Riley was their top scorer in the league last season, they sold him and it hasnt affected them this season.

Kyogo was basically a one season wonder. They have not been reliant on him since that one season. As I said offloading him now (£10m for an 30y/o) and getting Jota bedded back in now is a great bit of business for them.

We’ve signed another CH on loan. By the weekend may have Souttar, Propper, Balogun, Nsiala, Fernandes, King and even Sterling all fit to fill 2 positions. Was that really a priority ?
3 in bold are always injured/or not good enough
 
Why would a winger not contribute? Cerny is running on fumes, even at the weekend he was stretching his hammy at times.

We are an injury away from Ross mccausland starting games, it’s not good enough.

Hagi/bajrami/igamane aren’t wingers either.

I’m a big Cortes fan, more than most on here, but we needed a winger as he will need time to get up to speed even when back fit.

Rice has a chance but as a lone 6, the rest of the youngsters are currently miles off it.
I didnt say they wouldnt contribute, just that its unlikely they would make a difference to the league. and, going by the type of players we get in Jan usually, its more likely they would have been a waste of money than an actual contributor. Summer is, and will be, a different matter.
 
I didnt say they wouldnt contribute, just that its unlikely they would make a difference to the league. and, going by the type of players we get in Jan usually, its more likely they would have been a waste of money than an actual contributor. Summer is, and will be, a different matter.
If they made a difference in the Europa League though, they’ve paid their loan and more.
 
If they made a difference in the Europa League though, they’ve paid their loan and more.
Chances are though, with Hagi, Danilo and Nsiala, we wouldnt have added any loan player to the europa squad. Obviously that would depend on who the player was, but within our budget, I would think it unlikely at this stage.
 
People are seriously saying they won’t renew their season tickets because of the January transfer window?
I think if you spoke to these people it will not just be the January window, it will be the shit show of a board and the continued mess they keep making.

The continued downsizing

The lack of progress both on and off the park

The months without leadership at the top

The allowing of Scottish football to take swings at us without retaliation

The acceptance of the corrupt officials that have hurt us in some way most weeks and our pathetic board sit on their hands

The lack of a solid back four and not addressing the problem that everyone can see

The shit show from the board again with being sat in Hampden for the start of the season

The allowing of a YTS manager to have a blank cheque book and buy a load of dross leaving us in a hole for years

Regarding this window it’s another window where we aren’t moving forward, if you are not moving forward in football you are going backwards and that’s how it feels.

A lot of fans are just sick of being fed shite from a board not fit to run a bowling club who treat our club as a toy, lots will vote with their feet.
 
Explain then?
"I don’t understand why people are acting like it was a sensible decision not to sign anyone yesterday"

1. The league is over, why pay money (which we don't have) on a any player who wouldn't get into the Europe squad.
2. Every penny we spend now has to be worth it. It's why Cameron isnt joining until the summer so we don't pay 2 fee's for him.
3. It was the sensible decision, as point 1 and 2 above
 
What amazes me (well I'm not really amazed) is that we have clearly identified a problem area to try and recruit and it seems we went all in on the one target and when it didnt happen we just shrugged and went "ach we tried". Surely that isn't how recruitment is supposed to work. There should have been three, four, five alternative options surely?

Although, we did do the exact same thing two years ago when trying to sign Morgan Whittaker (look how that has turned out), it was clearly an area we needed to strengthen and when we couldn't get him, yet we managed to pay relatively big fees for guys who were out of contract in the summer, we just moved on and didn't sign anyone else for the position. Then in the summer Beale decided we weren't going to play with wingers anyway.
Or, alternatively, we did have 2 or 3 players in mind and by the time we realised that the option we thought we were getting fell through the others were no longer possible.
 
As a fan, I would obviously have loved us to sign loads of players because thats what we do. However, i have seen people on Twitter talking about apathy and potentially not renewing their S's etc so thought I would share a counter view.

We have been a mess for the last couple of years due to poor board decisions and dreadful recruitment. We now have an over qualified CEO who is conducting a proper review into the football department and have continued to shed the deadwood from the squad which has been like a financial anchor round us for the past couple of years, saving millions in the process. We are finally getting to a position where we have young and hungry saleable assets rather than older and non-contributing diddies. Guys like Igamane, Jefte, Dio, Raskin along with prospects like Nsiala, Cameron etc. We are finally in a position where we can see if our youth players can cut it and, while I would obviously rather be in a place where we are romping the league and had a team full of stars, we do need to see if our Academy is capable of producing the next generation of saleable assets.

I understand people being annoyed at us not getting at least 1 more in January however, I am realistic enough to know we are now actually trying to improve the foundations of the club for the future rather than panic paying an expensive loan like Silva/Ramsey etc.

The season isnt over so, yes, strengthening out wide or in midfield would have been nice. But, by the time we play our last 16 game and the later stages of the SC, our bench could be Kelly, Ridvan, Barron, Bajrmai, Cortes, Danilo, Balagoun, McCausland, Nsiala, Rice, Curtis. All on top of a starting 11 that has managed to match and pump celtic (with several players missing) and get to the last 16 of the europa, with even more players missing!

January, whether we like it or not, is a difficult window. Look at the mob across the city with their 100m in the bank. Even they have only managed to bring back a winger they had before and sign a 32yo sub as cover from Palace. Despite selling their best striker and arguable talisman.

All in all, I had accepted this season was going to be a rocky road. But, we will hopefully now have more finances to add quality in the summer and, most importantly, have better foundations as a club to actually build sustainable success rather than constant botch job repairs.

Finally, and I can only talk for myself here, I will be renewing 100% next year and am actually intrigued, and a little excited, to see what we are able to do. Learn to beat the dross, as I think we have celtic's number at the moment tactically, and who knows.
Excellent post.
 
I think if you spoke to these people it will not just be the January window, it will be the shit show of a board and the continued mess they keep making.

The continued downsizing

The lack of progress both on and off the park

The months without leadership at the top

The allowing of Scottish football to take swings at us without retaliation

The acceptance of the corrupt officials that have hurt us in some way most weeks and our pathetic board sit on their hands

The lack of a solid back four and not addressing the problem that everyone can see

The shit show from the board again with being sat in Hampden for the start of the season

The allowing of a YTS manager to have a blank cheque book and buy a load of dross leaving us in a hole for years

Regarding this window it’s another window where we aren’t moving forward, if you are not moving forward in football you are going backwards and that’s how it feels.

A lot of fans are just sick of being fed shite from a board not fit to run a bowling club who treat our club as a toy, lots will vote with their feet.
Lots wont mate. The ST's will sell out as always. Even if a few decide to chuck it, they will be replaced by those who want one. As someone who has a son on the waiting list, if anyone wants to chuck it and free up a seat then so be it :))

Personally, and it really is just a personal opinion as people's situations/finances differ, I buy my ST regardless because I want to watch the club I love play. As I always have done. Not just when everything is rosey in the garden off the pitch and we are winning on it.
 
A cull is needed in the next 2 summers to finally rid of the poor players , theres not a lot out of contract this summer in Balogun, Lawrence and Hagi.

Hagi will want a new challenge imo, and loose the other 2 , so quite a sum saved on wages.

If we could move on matondo, davies , yilmaz and a few others then buy right and we could win the league.
 
"I don’t understand why people are acting like it was a sensible decision not to sign anyone yesterday"

1. The league is over, why pay money (which we don't have) on a any player who wouldn't get into the Europe squad.
2. Every penny we spend now has to be worth it. It's why Cameron isnt joining until the summer so we don't pay 2 fee's for him.
3. It was the sensible decision, as point 1 and 2 above

1. They tried and failed to sign a winger.

2. Cameron will still cost a fee in the summer, he is a Connor Barron level player that will only be good enough as a squad player.

3. See point one, they tried and failed.

The euro squad will depend on fitness what changes he makes to the 3. Hagi is a cert.

Last January we good Diomande and then Cortes and silva on loan. 3 good players.

This January we have signed a centre half on loan, who despite having a good profile, has hardly had minutes this season and will take time to get up to speed.

We have a real chance to win this next euro tie and then see what happens.

The board cost us over 5 million for a terrible and slow start to the summer window getting beat off that Kiev team. Another thing people have just given them a pass for.

Some of you are clearly okay with lowering the wage bill and being sh*te on the park.
 
A cull is needed in the next 2 summers to finally rid of the poor players , theres not a lot out of contract this summer in Balogun, Lawrence and Hagi.

Hagi will want a new challenge imo, and loose the other 2 , so quite a sum saved on wages.

If we could move on matondo, davies , yilmaz and a few others then buy right and we could win the league.
We need a lot done this summer in a very short time.

The lack of (permanent) movement in this window means we have no wiggle room in the summer.
 
As a fan, I would obviously have loved us to sign loads of players because thats what we do. However, i have seen people on Twitter talking about apathy and potentially not renewing their S's etc so thought I would share a counter view.

We have been a mess for the last couple of years due to poor board decisions and dreadful recruitment. We now have an over qualified CEO who is conducting a proper review into the football department and have continued to shed the deadwood from the squad which has been like a financial anchor round us for the past couple of years, saving millions in the process. We are finally getting to a position where we have young and hungry saleable assets rather than older and non-contributing diddies. Guys like Igamane, Jefte, Dio, Raskin along with prospects like Nsiala, Cameron etc. We are finally in a position where we can see if our youth players can cut it and, while I would obviously rather be in a place where we are romping the league and had a team full of stars, we do need to see if our Academy is capable of producing the next generation of saleable assets.

I understand people being annoyed at us not getting at least 1 more in January however, I am realistic enough to know we are now actually trying to improve the foundations of the club for the future rather than panic paying an expensive loan like Silva/Ramsey etc.

The season isnt over so, yes, strengthening out wide or in midfield would have been nice. But, by the time we play our last 16 game and the later stages of the SC, our bench could be Kelly, Ridvan, Barron, Bajrmai, Cortes, Danilo, Balagoun, McCausland, Nsiala, Rice, Curtis. All on top of a starting 11 that has managed to match and pump celtic (with several players missing) and get to the last 16 of the europa, with even more players missing!

January, whether we like it or not, is a difficult window. Look at the mob across the city with their 100m in the bank. Even they have only managed to bring back a winger they had before and sign a 32yo sub as cover from Palace. Despite selling their best striker and arguable talisman.

All in all, I had accepted this season was going to be a rocky road. But, we will hopefully now have more finances to add quality in the summer and, most importantly, have better foundations as a club to actually build sustainable success rather than constant botch job repairs.

Finally, and I can only talk for myself here, I will be renewing 100% next year and am actually intrigued, and a little excited, to see what we are able to do. Learn to beat the dross, as I think we have celtic's number at the moment tactically, and who knows.
It lets the CEO/ Chairman see where we are and hopefully raise funds for next season.

However the pressure is on all at the club to produce better next season and by that win the league.

If Clement is there , then he needs turn a lot around, 2 years at the club is enough time to start winning trophies and weeding out the poor players etc.
 
As a fan, I would obviously have loved us to sign loads of players because thats what we do. However, i have seen people on Twitter talking about apathy and potentially not renewing their S's etc so thought I would share a counter view.

We have been a mess for the last couple of years due to poor board decisions and dreadful recruitment. We now have an over qualified CEO who is conducting a proper review into the football department and have continued to shed the deadwood from the squad which has been like a financial anchor round us for the past couple of years, saving millions in the process. We are finally getting to a position where we have young and hungry saleable assets rather than older and non-contributing diddies. Guys like Igamane, Jefte, Dio, Raskin along with prospects like Nsiala, Cameron etc. We are finally in a position where we can see if our youth players can cut it and, while I would obviously rather be in a place where we are romping the league and had a team full of stars, we do need to see if our Academy is capable of producing the next generation of saleable assets.

I understand people being annoyed at us not getting at least 1 more in January however, I am realistic enough to know we are now actually trying to improve the foundations of the club for the future rather than panic paying an expensive loan like Silva/Ramsey etc.

The season isnt over so, yes, strengthening out wide or in midfield would have been nice. But, by the time we play our last 16 game and the later stages of the SC, our bench could be Kelly, Ridvan, Barron, Bajrmai, Cortes, Danilo, Balagoun, McCausland, Nsiala, Rice, Curtis. All on top of a starting 11 that has managed to match and pump celtic (with several players missing) and get to the last 16 of the europa, with even more players missing!

January, whether we like it or not, is a difficult window. Look at the mob across the city with their 100m in the bank. Even they have only managed to bring back a winger they had before and sign a 32yo sub as cover from Palace. Despite selling their best striker and arguable talisman.

All in all, I had accepted this season was going to be a rocky road. But, we will hopefully now have more finances to add quality in the summer and, most importantly, have better foundations as a club to actually build sustainable success rather than constant botch job repairs.

Finally, and I can only talk for myself here, I will be renewing 100% next year and am actually intrigued, and a little excited, to see what we are able to do. Learn to beat the dross, as I think we have celtic's number at the moment tactically, and who knows.
Post of the week.
 
We need a lot done this summer in a very short time.

The lack of (permanent) movement in this window means we have no wiggle room in the summer.
Theres no excuse not to get players in and get them in early this time.
If we wait to see where we are in Europe then we have a big problem going forward.
 
It lets the CEO/ Chairman see where we are and hopefully raise funds for next season.

However the pressure is on all at the club to produce better next season and by that win the league.

If Clement is there , then he needs turn a lot around, 2 years at the club is enough time to start winning trophies and weeding out the poor players etc.
He’ll also need to start giving more young players a chance.

Bajrami, Propper and Lawrence coming on at home to Ross County at 3-0 up while Fernandes, Nsio and Curtis are on the bench can’t be happening again, just wee things like that would him out in the eyes of the fans.
 
Not having a dig because you're a sensible poster but I love how this has become an established fact on here. :))

They would have still scored their equaliser courtesy of Butland. Who knows how the game goes in extra time?


Had we went 1 nil up the rest of the game would have been totally different so they wouldn't have got that chance never mind scored it.

We might have went on to win 5 nil. We might have lost 5-1. Nobody can say for certain what would have happened. What's true though is we were far more likely to win had the goal stood.
 
According to Flashscore, Kyogo had;

10 league goals and 3 assists
14 league goals and 5 assists
27 league goals and 2 assists
12 league goals and 0 assists

Jota last time around had;

10 league goals and 10 assists
11 league goals and 11 assists

Bar Kyogo’s 2nd season where he hit 27 league goals, I don’t think they’ve lost any goals going by the above. They’ve simply replaced where they will come from. In-fact, I reckon Jota will have more goal involvements than what Kyogo offered.

In saying that, give me Dessers and Igamane every day of the week.
They don't play the same position though. You are making out they've swapped like for like when in reality they've weakened one position& strengthened another.

Jota will take Kuhns place in the team, & now they have Idah & Yang Hyun-jun competing for centre forward position.

Kyogo's off the ball movement was really good & stretched defences so I'd imagine him leaving will have an affect on others outputs.

No idea if Yang Hyun-jun is any good or not, but if Idah gets an injury Celtic are going to need to rely on him a lot more.
 
We didn't have any funds to bring anyone in. Nor should we be spending over the odds just to consolidate second, as pathetic as that is.

Disappointing that we didn't bring anyone in likely to get much game time and also failed to sell anyone, instead some of the duds going out on short term loans.

I don't see what the mentally challengeds window has to do with anything. They're strolling the league and making profit on players they do sell, I'd hold the news of their demise for just now.

Getting more gametime from the young lads is better long term for us than spunking money or getting an expensive loan.

If we don’t have the funds to sign someone on loan for four months even after making it to the last 16 of European competition for the second year in a row and losing four squad players for the second half of the season we are in genuine trouble.
 
Lots wont mate. The ST's will sell out as always. Even if a few decide to chuck it, they will be replaced by those who want one. As someone who has a son on the waiting list, if anyone wants to chuck it and free up a seat then so be it :))

Personally, and it really is just a personal opinion as people's situations/finances differ, I buy my ST regardless because I want to watch the club I love play. As I always have done. Not just when everything is rosey in the garden off the pitch and we are winning on it.
I am sure the season ticket holders who walk away will get taken by others like you say, the board will bank on this to help dig out some of the mess that they have created.

It’s a sad time all the same that fans who are as passionate and loyal as we are feel they are left with no choice but to chuck it due to what they are being served up.

Some will mock them and laugh at them claiming they are not true fans which is a load of shite. They are just scunnered with years of abuse and neglect.

It’s painful to see where the club is and how far we have dropped, I would give my left nut to see us start to move forward and progress.

We have brought 2 guys in to take us forward and patience will need to be found to give them the time to sort it out but whilst guys like the Parks and pals still have significant influence I have zero faith that they will be able to do the job we need them to do.
 
We are so far off a title challenge that there’s no point spending money in Jan, coming second doesn’t require any squad boosts

We are not spending money because we either can’t, or don’t want to back a manager as he might be gone by the summer, whilst the squad is wafer thin and there are 2 trophies to be won

I mean…. There is absolutely nothing there to be positive about ffs.

You know when people scoff at people saying the support aren’t being conditioned to be 2nd best? You just have to look at this current situation being spun in a positive light, to see that a lot of them are already there
 
We would finish 2nd regardless, even if the winger was Vini Jr. The club had someone specific in mind but the selling team couldnt get a replacement. Personally, I would rather wait for the summer to get the right person than panic buy and be yet again in a position where we have people not contributing draining our money.
I get what you mean about waiting until the summer, but we will quickly be into CL qualifiers before we know it. Would rather built now in the window just closed with these qualifiers in mind, and that means getting quality (or potential quality) bedded in now.
 
We don’t have to sign anyone to finish second, our Europa run is just a bonus.
Why waste money in January to finish second?
There’s a difference between finishing second strongly and finishing 25 points adrift.

Our current away form suggests the latter, and we haven’t given ourselves any strength in depth in the middle of the park, or wide areas.

An injury to Dio, Raskin or Cerny right now would see us really short.

Trying to paint the window as some sort of accomplishment or success because we managed to get a couple of non playing high earners out the door doesn’t help. We are arguably weaker now than before the window opened.
 
Not having a dig because you're a sensible poster but I love how this has become an established fact on here. :))

They would have still scored their equaliser courtesy of Butland. Who knows how the game goes in extra time?
We're clearly dealing hypothetically but the flow of the game changes if our goal stands and what did happen following that decision does not necessarily happen otherwise. Sliding doors and all that.

Anyway, that's not the point of this thread.
 
I'm neither up nor down about the window. It was clear it just had to be done.

The irony in people demanding signings because "Bajrami is shite and Cortes is permanently injured" - not realising that that's EXACTLY why we shouldn't keep chucking £3/4m a time away on random signings just to get bodies in. Time to work with what we have for now and try to trim the squad and wage bill.
 
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