RangersEasyOK!
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Think it needs to go back to 1:1 for european games so would potentially lose capacity.
I know UEFA are trialing safe standing this year but never seen anything about ratios
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I know UEFA are trialing safe standing this year but never seen anything about ratios
I was at Dortmund v Leverkusen the other week, and these seats are brilliant.
Comfy enough when sitting and when standing you can lean on the seat in front.
I know this is stating the obvious, but I don’t know how that 1.8 or 2 people to 1k seat would work?
Everyone there had paid for their seat, so how do you accommodate another person? There aren’t a queue of people standing waiting to stand beside someone in their seat?
There would need to be a fair bit of organisation involved in this and then only certain games made safe standing with plenty prior notice for everyone.
Comfy enough when sitting and when standing you can lean on the seat in front.
I know this is stating the obvious, but I don’t know how that 1.8 or 2 people to 1k seat would work?
Everyone there had paid for their seat, so how do you accommodate another person? There aren’t a queue of people standing waiting to stand beside someone in their seat?
There would need to be a fair bit of organisation involved in this and then only certain games made safe standing with plenty prior notice for everyone.
The Bonnie Blue
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I don't see this as a priority. We moved to an all seater stadium because it's the safest set up. So called "safe" standing is not universally regarded as safe enough. A former Wembley Stadium manager thinks the way it's being implemented in England could create new safety problems.
RangersEasyOK!
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It was the safest set up at the time and we had two standing enclosures for decades after and only changed to suit euro regs.
I can see why some would call for it and be comfortable with it. It does not increase capacity so seems like the only reason/benefit is personal preference. Personally I think it is a piece of nostalgia and should stay that way. I am not sure I can muster the energy to create a European night atmosphere against St. Mirren, Ross County or QoS, rails or no rails.
As far as I am aware the ratio would be 1 for 1. However if it was as you say 2 for 1 and the disabled were the big beneficiaries of it I would totally change my opposition to it. It is so poor how we treat our disabled folks, don't even cover them from the elements
Its bollox.
As far as I am aware the ratio would be 1 for 1. However if it was as you say 2 for 1 and the disabled were the big beneficiaries of it I would totally change my opposition to it. It is so poor how we treat our disabled folks, don't even cover them from the elements
Why are you opposed to it? 90% of the stadium will still be seated so it hardly affects anyone. Do you not think those that want to stand should have the choice?
In Dortmund their capacity goes up by 16k when they lock the seats away.
In the UK the ratio is 1 to 1 but we could lobby for change. We could also increase the capacity when we install it if we make the standing/seats closer together as the seats are rarely used.
Sorting the disabled area has been a priority since before Murray. Anyone thinking we’ll see safe standing or an improvement on disabled areas are kidding themselves they’re full of shite like those before in regards to improving the match day experience
Great post. We could also consider rover tickets in the safe standing areas. This would allow fans to move. It would also get those who think they own a seat used to the idea they dont.
If we do go for SS my preference would be the whole of the Govan Front plus the corners. That would give our magnificent supporters the highest profile position and prevent our enemies in the media from avoiding showing them on tv.
I suppose they think full houses means everything is fine. Its not and they ignore it at their peril.
Basically mate.
Exactly. Give people a choice.
Years ago, before all seater stadiums, you could move around depending on where you wanted to watch the game from. Now you cant and it means fans sit or stand in areas with a mixed demographic. Old and young, male and female etc. It causes problems for some and stifles the atmosphere. Unfortunately no one at Ibrox has a clue about fan culture.
After we played PSG in Paris I wrote to David Murray about a number of issues including the lack of atmosphere at Ibrox.
I was invited to a meeting with Sandy Jardine and Carol Paton. After the meeting I knew there was little chance of anything changing at Ibrox for the forseeable future.
Correct but the assumption is the current seating is replaced with one standing area. If we install rail seating we can do this with a 1 to 1 ratio but have more seats than at present.
There's real need for a larger capacity and this is by far the cheapest way to do this.
Rover tickets solve that problem.
No no no. Imagine Liverpool moving the Kop to an area split in two and positioned below their main stand AND out of view for a tv audience.
You dont need to be. Google Eric Berg.
Wazza
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I don’t think so, maybe at Hoffenheim but not at Rangers. The exact type of thing that can cause chaos in this, your response also proves the attitude towards allocated standing many would hold. You have to walk before you can run on these subjects now, small steps etc… making out of touch demands just makes those small progressive steps more unlikely to happen at the end of the day - where many Brit Fan Groups/Ultras whatever go to pot is that.
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You do know we used to have rover tickets years ago?
"Out of touch demands"? I guess you're one of those "holly willies" spoken about at a Celtic AGM.
L&D RSC
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Rover tickets were fine pre Souness when we had thousands of empty seats. But they could never work in a sold out stadium. Imagine being one of the last folk into the GF for example, and you need to play a game of hunt the empty seat?
All it would do is end up with the centre areas of each stand being very overcrowded as folk just push into the area rather than try and find an empty seat.
Logistical nightmare that the club would never entertain these days.
Wazza
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Like I say mate that attitude will get you nowhere.
Wazza
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It’s the whole reason why they have them allocated as well, to avoid overcrowding and also so they know who is at each space at the end of the day.
Strathbungo Bear
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Been there I feel your pain.
Im sorry, so sorry.
You have less tickets than seats in the areas with rover tickets to avoid the problem of people looking for the last seat. Its not that hard to work out.
It also encourages people to come early to get the best location and means they're less likely to vacate the seat in case they lose it.
Ive posted this before and someone complained about the idea of leaving a few seats empty. You just cant win. Any suggestions on here gets met with objections.
Wazza
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Suppose the Club might go for that if the admission prices were increased to compensate for the spaces that will never go on sale.
Second point is folk who sit alone can find this an issue. They go the toilet or for some food and come back and they’ve lost their seat, midweek match they are late and same issue etc..
These are all the potential problems at the end of the day. You can call it objecting but it’s just the reality at the end of the day.
You need the patience of a Saint I imagine to deal with any Club in relation to changes on this front. I certainly couldn’t do it but going in all guns blazing will never get you very far I would have thought, especially when financially wise things are going pretty well.
L&D RSC
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Or different people have different opinions? Sort of the whole reason for having a forum, no?
You think Rover ticketing would work in a 50k sold out stadium, I think it would be a logistical and probably H&S nightmare.
Sections 1 & 2 of the Broomie for now, get it done Rangers for goodness sake.....
PMB1872
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I don’t have a big problem with safe standing but I certainly wouldn’t want to be virtually cuddling folk. I remember the days of standing at big games and being jammed up against folk isn’t pleasant. Especially if they’re pished or stinking of BO.
With regards your first point. The new rail seats replacing the old ones can be put in at a higher density therby negating the issue of leaving a few spare in each stand. To be clear Im not suggesting a ratio greater than 1 to 1 but rather more seats than at present.
With regards fans on their own. They dont have an allocated seat so coming late is neither here nor there. As for leaving a seat and expecting to get it back. That's the chance you take but anyway when the game starts I wouldnt imagine there'd be many people wandering around looking to take someone else's seat.
There are problems just now with STs. Fans in shit seats are stuck. People cant sit with friends etc etc.
Its not a problem for other clubs so why us ?
TN8
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I'd still like to hear an answer for why the away fans can't get put back to BF1, out the way of the TV cameras. We could then do whatever we wanted with the rest of the Broomie, rail seating from BF2/3 round to the Govan corner would look brilliant.
Alex Venters
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Will do mate, cheers.
Artful Dodger
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Those that run the club don’t want it so it won’t happen. If you think they listen to fans on this board your delusional.
"Stinking of BO"? Are you thinking of Parkhead?
theryesider
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This standing the whole game, in days gone by you would gracefully retire to the main stand.
For some it is a problem, mate said on Tuesday he knew he would be in agony Wednesday with his back, due to standing for the 90 mins.
Ideally the fronts should be standing and the rears for us old codgers, as long as we do something doing nothing surely not an option.
For some it is a problem, mate said on Tuesday he knew he would be in agony Wednesday with his back, due to standing for the 90 mins.
Ideally the fronts should be standing and the rears for us old codgers, as long as we do something doing nothing surely not an option.
PMB1872
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Don’t kid yourself on that folk wearing nylon football tops for several hours don’t start to smell, no matter who they support…
Wazza
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Point 1 - showed it to a German SLO of 7 seasons who says it ain’t as simple as that.
Point 2 - Yes I know you don’t have a set seat, hence why the point exists. People may need the toilet or want to buy something at half time, coming back to a seat they regard as good (you have said this rover scheme encourages people to trap early yourself) may be a problem, maybe it won’t but I’ve seen issues with it at various Clubs operating this.
Anyway good luck but seriously don’t throw your toys out the pram with those who control all this like you have on here or you’ll get nowhere fast in my opinion.
Incidentally. Im 66 and have no intention of joining the UB. Im simply advocating on behalf of our young fans AND hoping to improve the atmosphere for all of us.
I dont know if you saw my post earlier but I met with Sandy Jardine and Carol Paton after we played PSG about 20 years ago. There was no desire to change anything then and there still isnt now.
Very sad.
Wazza
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I did think you would be well past 40 based on that meeting to be honest. At the end of the day if people on here raise the points think about what those in charge will raise. Personally I fell out of love with going Football in England at the top end due to all seater Stadiums so know exactly where you are coming from, fortunate enough to have seen how standing etc works in a range of nations through trips I do.
deBoersHeader
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RFC-GSTQ
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Are you Ryan Jack?
I wish. Im only joking about the toe nail by the way.
Im sure you're right but the benefits outweigh the costs so we should do it asap.
Perhaps the club could provide showers and deoderant.
deBoersHeader
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That's not how the police would see it I'm afraid.
They are happy with the current situation.
They should do both enclosures. It'sn low to the pitch so would be better standing.
Used to go there a lot as a kid when it was the last part not seated. Always great
Used to go there a lot as a kid when it was the last part not seated. Always great
Terrible location for SS. For a start an area split down the middle is hopeless. Worse still we'd never see our UB displays on tv or see them in action.
