Qatar World Cup - Why Rangers Fans should be leading the call for Scotland to Boycott

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Rev George Walker

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Qatar hosting the World Cup is a chance for us (Rangers fans) to be on the side of right (again) and also, as a happy corollary, to show up the SFA, certain sections of the Tartan Army, the SNP, the current Scottish government, Show Racism the Red Card, the Labour Party and the Socialist Worker as phoneys, frauds, hypocrites and keyboard self proclaimed liberals in name only.

I don’t have a problem with bribery and corruption, because they are all at it. I don’t think the tiny size of a country and/or the insane climate (of up to 50 celcius in summer) should automatically rule a country out – yes, each one makes it exponentially harder to establish a valid case for hosting the WC and indeed if you have both it makes it all but impossible, but I say let them submit a proposal and – as a believer in human ingenuity and overcoming the odds – maybe they can come up with something that will make it work.

Forget all that though, the reasons why Qatar should not be allowed to host the World Cup and given that this now seems unavoidable, the reasons Scotland must not participate in the qualifiers, are set out below. Any nation that participates in the tournament is not only condoning and legitimizing the regime that governs Qatar, they are supporting and promoting the following values of the state of Qatar. And these are just some of the greatest hits.

In Qatar, they have the death penalty for being gay – that in itself should be enough to rule out Qatar as a World Cup host. They have the death penalty for apostasy, any Muslim who wants to exercise simple freedom of thought and conscience is to be killed by the state.

Qatar is a brutal dictatorship (is there another kind?), there is no democracy and no rule of law. People can be, and are, arrested by the state and held without charge, without limit of time. This is tyranny. There is no freedom of religion, Christians and other minorities are greatly oppressed and suppressed.

There is no free press and no free speech – basic rights that we in Scotland take for granted. Women who are raped are arrested for sex outside marriage and if Western, forced to take an immediate blood test to establish blood/alcohol levels. And this is Western women, imagine the plight of the thousands of Filipino housemaids who are brutalized on a daily basis and for whom no one speaks, who are too terrified to go to the authorities (who would do nothing anyway).

But perhaps most appalling of all, and given the strong field this is quite an accolade; there are absolutely no worker rights. Literally tens of thousands will be killed or maimed in constructing the monstrosities required for this tournament, and ancillary structures (hotels, roads, fan parks etc). Workers get paid around GBP250 per month. There is no minimum wage, no right to unionise, no right to assemble. Workers die in countless ways, some just drop dead in heat of the summer. They land in Qatar, herded from villages in India, have their passports taken from them and are put to work – their treatment would make Ramises blush.

I believe Scotland should not participate in this tournament out of moral principal and I’d like to see Rangers fans lead the campaign to convince Scotland not to take part. The values of Qatar are contrary to the values of the Rangers support (which includes equality for LGBT people and women and strong worker rights and protections) and as such we believe Scotland should not be participating in this tournament.

Let’s be on the side of right, again and let’s show up the phoneys for what they are. This is a win-win for Rangers. We get to take the moral high ground and ram it to some of our enemies for their crass hypocrisy.

Letters to MPs and all sorts will be sent, I’ll keep you posted on replies.
 
Rev George Walker said:
Qatar hosting the World Cup is a chance for us (Rangers fans) to be on the side of right (again) and also, as a happy corollary, to show up the SFA, certain sections of the Tartan Army, the SNP, the current Scottish government, Show Racism the Red Card, the Labour Party and the Socialist Worker as phoneys, frauds, hypocrites and keyboard self proclaimed liberals in name only.

I don’t have a problem with bribery and corruption, because they are all at it. I don’t think the tiny size of a country and/or the insane climate (of up to 50 celcius in summer) should automatically rule a country out – yes, each one makes it exponentially harder to establish a valid case for hosting the WC and indeed if you have both it makes it all but impossible, but I say let them submit a proposal and – as a believer in human ingenuity and overcoming the odds – maybe they can come up with something that will make it work.

Forget all that though, the reasons why Qatar should not be allowed to host the World Cup and given that this now seems unavoidable, the reasons Scotland must not participate in the qualifiers, are set out below. Any nation that participates in the tournament is not only condoning and legitimizing the regime that governs Qatar, they are supporting and promoting the following values of the state of Qatar. And these are just some of the greatest hits.

In Qatar, they have the death penalty for being gay – that in itself should be enough to rule out Qatar as a World Cup host. They have the death penalty for apostasy, any Muslim who wants to exercise simple freedom of thought and conscience is to be killed by the state.

Qatar is a brutal dictatorship (is there another kind?), there is no democracy and no rule of law. People can be, and are, arrested by the state and held without charge, without limit of time. This is tyranny. There is no freedom of religion, Christians and other minorities are greatly oppressed and suppressed.

There is no free press and no free speech – basic rights that we in Scotland take for granted. Women who are raped are arrested for sex outside marriage and if Western, forced to take an immediate blood test to establish blood/alcohol levels. And this is Western women, imagine the plight of the thousands of Filipino housemaids who are brutalized on a daily basis and for whom no one speaks, who are too terrified to go to the authorities (who would do nothing anyway).

But perhaps most appalling of all, and given the strong field this is quite an accolade; there are absolutely no worker rights. Literally tens of thousands will be killed or maimed in constructing the monstrosities required for this tournament, and ancillary structures (hotels, roads, fan parks etc). Workers get paid around GBP250 per month. There is no minimum wage, no right to unionise, no right to assemble. Workers die in countless ways, some just drop dead in heat of the summer. They land in Qatar, herded from villages in India, have their passports taken from them and are put to work – their treatment would make Ramises blush.

I believe Scotland should not participate in this tournament out of moral principal and I’d like to see Rangers fans lead the campaign to convince Scotland not to take part. The values of Qatar are contrary to the values of the Rangers support (which includes equality for LGBT people and women and strong worker rights and protections) and as such we believe Scotland should not be participating in this tournament.

Let’s be on the side of right, again and let’s show up the phoneys for what they are. This is a win-win for Rangers. We get to take the moral high ground and ram it to some of our enemies for their crass hypocrisy.

Letters to MPs and all sorts will be sent, I’ll keep you posted on replies.
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Can't argue with any of that.
 
Scotland won't be there mate there is nothing to worry about. I agree on your points though. The middle East in general has very poor policies everywhere however that is for their people to agree or disagree. The best thing outsiders can do is boycott them. Don't visit as a tourist. Always makes me laugh when you hear that someone has been arrested for drinking in Dubai. Ffs you knew the risk before you enter their country so why so do it. If you like a drink then Dubai is not for you !
 
the only two things the SFA know are helping their favourite team and money

morality will never come into it for them
 
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Having lived there for 2 years I would agree that some of the things which go on culturally are stuck in the dark ages. Although a lot of the laws out there like the homosexual one are there but not applied. There is a huge gay scene in Doha for example.

In my opinion we as a society are best not to ignore and exclude other culture because of the advancements we've made due to the benefits of wealth and education over hundreds of years.

There is no oppression of religion, there are many many churches so that's a lie.

The modern slave labour is disgusting though and one of the main reasons I left as I felt a lot of guilt. The ex pat's out there will tell themselves that they are leaving India and the Philippines because they have nothing and it's still a better life than they would have back home but that's just to appease themselves. I personally was hoping the world cup shining a light on it would lead to much stricter international law being pressured into them, and in some ways it has but not to the extent I was hoping for. One thing I would say is that most great places around the world have been built on slavery too, so I don't see why the west can get so high and mighty about it.
 
There is no oppression of religion in Qatar...there are Christian churches. Geez, even Jewish folk and live and work there. Qatar is similar to any GCC country in terms of employing overseas labour...no better, no worse.

The wages paid to labourers and others are a reflection of the market/country they are recruited from..true some living conditions and other benefits could be improved. I know a number of Asians who have worked in the Middle East and they live like 'lords' back in their home countries with the supposedly paltry earnings they made in the Gulf.
 
I mainly agree with your post. Having been out there, the culture is not something I could ever come to terms with (albeit the gay and religious thing isn’t as extreme as you’ve made out).

I’d like to make a small point though on something that’s been misreported over here regarding the deaths of workers.

My father in law is a doctor at Hamad hospital, so he has first hand experience of this. 99% of the people who die working, are already terminally or critically ill. They come to Qatar as one last hurrah to make money for their families, knowing they may only have months to live. They’re not strictly being worked to death because of the conditions.

For what it’s worth, the World Cup will be fantastic in Doha.
 
Rangers_2001 said:
Given some of the posts I doubt many folk on here care much about the LGBT community.

Good post though, however money seems to talk with these things.
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You dont realise it yet, but you are talking shite. Show me ONE post on here that indicates a lack of giving a crap about LGBTQ folks...
 
totally agree an absolute farce it is there in the first place, there will be absolutely no fans and the love for the world cup will seriously be zapped in this case, horrible decision and I suspect someone has been paid handsomly for it
 
Mez said:
I mainly agree with your post. Having been out there, the culture is not something I could ever come to terms with (albeit the gay and religious thing isn’t as extreme as you’ve made out).

I’d like to make a small point though on something that’s been misreported over here regarding the deaths of workers.

My father in law is a doctor at Hamad hospital, so he has first hand experience of this. 99% of the people who die working, are already terminally or critically ill. They come to Qatar as one last hurrah to make money for their families, knowing they may only have months to live. They’re not strictly being worked to death because of the conditions.

For what it’s worth, the World Cup will be fantastic in Doha.
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I find that very hard to believe. However I do thing the deaths are being taken out of context, and being overstated. If you dig into the numbers there are around 1.8 Million migrant workers in Qatar with around 1000 dying every year. Not all of these migrant workers are working on stadiums and if you look at the UK you would expect around 300 People in the same age group to die each year (natuaral causes, accidents, etc). In India you would expect this number to be much higher

Now Qatar is a rich country, so should strive to have a similar death rate per year to the UK , but to say that all 1000 are dying directly because of the world cup is not true.
 
TheBearNecessities said:
You dont realise it yet, but you are talking shite. Show me ONE post on here that indicates a lack of giving a crap about LGBTQ folks...
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I can't work out if you are trolling or not.

Do you remember the repeated rainbow laces threads that kept having to be chopped?
 
Rev George Walker said:
Qatar hosting the World Cup is a chance for us (Rangers fans) to be on the side of right (again) and also, as a happy corollary, to show up the SFA, certain sections of the Tartan Army, the SNP, the current Scottish government, Show Racism the Red Card, the Labour Party and the Socialist Worker as phoneys, frauds, hypocrites and keyboard self proclaimed liberals in name only.

I don’t have a problem with bribery and corruption, because they are all at it. I don’t think the tiny size of a country and/or the insane climate (of up to 50 celcius in summer) should automatically rule a country out – yes, each one makes it exponentially harder to establish a valid case for hosting the WC and indeed if you have both it makes it all but impossible, but I say let them submit a proposal and – as a believer in human ingenuity and overcoming the odds – maybe they can come up with something that will make it work.

Forget all that though, the reasons why Qatar should not be allowed to host the World Cup and given that this now seems unavoidable, the reasons Scotland must not participate in the qualifiers, are set out below. Any nation that participates in the tournament is not only condoning and legitimizing the regime that governs Qatar, they are supporting and promoting the following values of the state of Qatar. And these are just some of the greatest hits.

In Qatar, they have the death penalty for being gay – that in itself should be enough to rule out Qatar as a World Cup host. They have the death penalty for apostasy, any Muslim who wants to exercise simple freedom of thought and conscience is to be killed by the state.

Qatar is a brutal dictatorship (is there another kind?), there is no democracy and no rule of law. People can be, and are, arrested by the state and held without charge, without limit of time. This is tyranny. There is no freedom of religion, Christians and other minorities are greatly oppressed and suppressed.

There is no free press and no free speech – basic rights that we in Scotland take for granted. Women who are raped are arrested for sex outside marriage and if Western, forced to take an immediate blood test to establish blood/alcohol levels. And this is Western women, imagine the plight of the thousands of Filipino housemaids who are brutalized on a daily basis and for whom no one speaks, who are too terrified to go to the authorities (who would do nothing anyway).

But perhaps most appalling of all, and given the strong field this is quite an accolade; there are absolutely no worker rights. Literally tens of thousands will be killed or maimed in constructing the monstrosities required for this tournament, and ancillary structures (hotels, roads, fan parks etc). Workers get paid around GBP250 per month. There is no minimum wage, no right to unionise, no right to assemble. Workers die in countless ways, some just drop dead in heat of the summer. They land in Qatar, herded from villages in India, have their passports taken from them and are put to work – their treatment would make Ramises blush.

I believe Scotland should not participate in this tournament out of moral principal and I’d like to see Rangers fans lead the campaign to convince Scotland not to take part. The values of Qatar are contrary to the values of the Rangers support (which includes equality for LGBT people and women and strong worker rights and protections) and as such we believe Scotland should not be participating in this tournament.

Let’s be on the side of right, again and let’s show up the phoneys for what they are. This is a win-win for Rangers. We get to take the moral high ground and ram it to some of our enemies for their crass hypocrisy.

Letters to MPs and all sorts will be sent, I’ll keep you posted on replies.
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All valid points. At the end up though, its their country so its their rules.
how many times do we see on this board ' obey the laws of this land' etc?
Works both ways.
Could not give a fk about scotland or the WC though anyway.
 
SoGo said:
I find that very hard to believe. However I do thing the deaths are being taken out of context, and being overstated. If you dig into the numbers there are around 1.8 Million migrant workers in Qatar with around 1000 dying every year. Not all of these migrant workers are working on stadiums and if you look at the UK you would expect around 300 People in the same age group to die each year (natuaral causes, accidents, etc). In India you would expect this number to be much higher

Now Qatar is a rich country, so should strive to have a similar death rate per year to the UK , but to say that all 1000 are dying directly because of the world cup is not true.
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Which part do you find hard to believe? The fact the majority of the workers that die have underlying conditions? My father in law has absolutely no reason to lie about that.
 
In their shíthole country they can have any stupid and repulsive laws that they want. None of our business.
 
Myself and None of my mates go to see Scotland anymore not because we hate our country but because we really don't care and as much as the OP is right with a lot of things he says the biggest flaw in the plan would be finding enough Bears who actually care enough imho
 
Fine and noble sentiments I'm sure, but as likely as Man City fans demanding their Arab owners sell up on moral grounds. The Piggery Peasants still live in denial of their criminal history and the systemic abuse of young people and subsequent cover -ups.
 
I agree with the OP however it would make a far bigger statement if some of the larger more powerful European nations declined to enter and used some of the points in the OP as their reasoning. It would create real waves if England, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, Holland & Portugal decided not to enter.
 
Rev George Walker said:
Qatar hosting the World Cup is a chance for us (Rangers fans) to be on the side of right (again) and also, as a happy corollary, to show up the SFA, certain sections of the Tartan Army, the SNP, the current Scottish government, Show Racism the Red Card, the Labour Party and the Socialist Worker as phoneys, frauds, hypocrites and keyboard self proclaimed liberals in name only.

I don’t have a problem with bribery and corruption, because they are all at it. I don’t think the tiny size of a country and/or the insane climate (of up to 50 celcius in summer) should automatically rule a country out – yes, each one makes it exponentially harder to establish a valid case for hosting the WC and indeed if you have both it makes it all but impossible, but I say let them submit a proposal and – as a believer in human ingenuity and overcoming the odds – maybe they can come up with something that will make it work.

Forget all that though, the reasons why Qatar should not be allowed to host the World Cup and given that this now seems unavoidable, the reasons Scotland must not participate in the qualifiers, are set out below. Any nation that participates in the tournament is not only condoning and legitimizing the regime that governs Qatar, they are supporting and promoting the following values of the state of Qatar. And these are just some of the greatest hits.

In Qatar, they have the death penalty for being gay – that in itself should be enough to rule out Qatar as a World Cup host. They have the death penalty for apostasy, any Muslim who wants to exercise simple freedom of thought and conscience is to be killed by the state.

Qatar is a brutal dictatorship (is there another kind?), there is no democracy and no rule of law. People can be, and are, arrested by the state and held without charge, without limit of time. This is tyranny. There is no freedom of religion, Christians and other minorities are greatly oppressed and suppressed.

There is no free press and no free speech – basic rights that we in Scotland take for granted. Women who are raped are arrested for sex outside marriage and if Western, forced to take an immediate blood test to establish blood/alcohol levels. And this is Western women, imagine the plight of the thousands of Filipino housemaids who are brutalized on a daily basis and for whom no one speaks, who are too terrified to go to the authorities (who would do nothing anyway).

But perhaps most appalling of all, and given the strong field this is quite an accolade; there are absolutely no worker rights. Literally tens of thousands will be killed or maimed in constructing the monstrosities required for this tournament, and ancillary structures (hotels, roads, fan parks etc). Workers get paid around GBP250 per month. There is no minimum wage, no right to unionise, no right to assemble. Workers die in countless ways, some just drop dead in heat of the summer. They land in Qatar, herded from villages in India, have their passports taken from them and are put to work – their treatment would make Ramises blush.

I believe Scotland should not participate in this tournament out of moral principal and I’d like to see Rangers fans lead the campaign to convince Scotland not to take part. The values of Qatar are contrary to the values of the Rangers support (which includes equality for LGBT people and women and strong worker rights and protections) and as such we believe Scotland should not be participating in this tournament.

Let’s be on the side of right, again and let’s show up the phoneys for what they are. This is a win-win for Rangers. We get to take the moral high ground and ram it to some of our enemies for their crass hypocrisy.

Letters to MPs and all sorts will be sent, I’ll keep you posted on replies.
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You could say the same about russia naw?
 
Mez said:
I’d like to make a small point though on something that’s been misreported over here regarding the deaths of workers.

My father in law is a doctor at Hamad hospital, so he has first hand experience of this. 99% of the people who die working, are already terminally or critically ill. They come to Qatar as one last hurrah to make money for their families, knowing they may only have months to live. They’re not strictly being worked to death because of the conditions.
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Thats bullshit...how does someone get a work permit in Qatar if they are already supposedly terminally ill...how do they pass the medical in Doha?
 
Living in Abu Dhabi I would say don't believe all you read.
All the States out here have their own laws and its up to the individual to respect and not do stupid things, depending on what you have read about someone getting arrested in Dubai they were probably pished, not a problem as long as you don't make trouble or walk the streets, believe me I have done it a few times up there and down here.
The problem for majority of fans, should Scotland miraculously succeed is that I read they are planning to make exclusive areas where the 'foreigners' can drink. Easier to control and well away from the locals and for those who love a bacon roll in the morning, forget it...
At the moment am not sure if Qatar will go ahead as they are locked in, by that I mean none of the other Arab nations here allow their residents to travel directly to the country due to their seemingly close ties to ISIS and this is where I would agree about boycotts and not just from Scotland but everywhere and would urge fans all over to unite in this.
Just my opinion...
 
bobally said:
Thats bullshit...how does someone get a work permit in Qatar if they are already supposedly terminally ill...how do they pass the medical in Doha?
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They do it here and Dubai.
The medical is not overly stringent, here they scan for HIV and a couple of others such as polio followed by a quick x-ray then send you on your way an results are back within 2 days to let you get your residency visa that allows you to work.
 
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They do it here and Dubai.
The medical is not overly stringent, here they scan for HIV and a couple of others such as polio followed by a quick x-ray then send you on your way an results are back within 2 days to let you get your residency visa that allows you to work.
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Polio? Thats a new one on me after 35 years working and living in the GCC and recruiting in excess of 10,000 folk for various projects....Full blood tests for hiv, hep, x-ray for tb, and a wee medical check up is the norm..so any terminally ill or critically ill folk would be picked up quite quick
 
Rev George Walker said:
Qatar hosting the World Cup is a chance for us (Rangers fans) to be on the side of right (again) and also, as a happy corollary, to show up the SFA, certain sections of the Tartan Army, the SNP, the current Scottish government, Show Racism the Red Card, the Labour Party and the Socialist Worker as phoneys, frauds, hypocrites and keyboard self proclaimed liberals in name only.

I don’t have a problem with bribery and corruption, because they are all at it. I don’t think the tiny size of a country and/or the insane climate (of up to 50 celcius in summer) should automatically rule a country out – yes, each one makes it exponentially harder to establish a valid case for hosting the WC and indeed if you have both it makes it all but impossible, but I say let them submit a proposal and – as a believer in human ingenuity and overcoming the odds – maybe they can come up with something that will make it work.

Forget all that though, the reasons why Qatar should not be allowed to host the World Cup and given that this now seems unavoidable, the reasons Scotland must not participate in the qualifiers, are set out below. Any nation that participates in the tournament is not only condoning and legitimizing the regime that governs Qatar, they are supporting and promoting the following values of the state of Qatar. And these are just some of the greatest hits.

In Qatar, they have the death penalty for being gay – that in itself should be enough to rule out Qatar as a World Cup host. They have the death penalty for apostasy, any Muslim who wants to exercise simple freedom of thought and conscience is to be killed by the state.

Qatar is a brutal dictatorship (is there another kind?), there is no democracy and no rule of law. People can be, and are, arrested by the state and held without charge, without limit of time. This is tyranny. There is no freedom of religion, Christians and other minorities are greatly oppressed and suppressed.

There is no free press and no free speech – basic rights that we in Scotland take for granted. Women who are raped are arrested for sex outside marriage and if Western, forced to take an immediate blood test to establish blood/alcohol levels. And this is Western women, imagine the plight of the thousands of Filipino housemaids who are brutalized on a daily basis and for whom no one speaks, who are too terrified to go to the authorities (who would do nothing anyway).

But perhaps most appalling of all, and given the strong field this is quite an accolade; there are absolutely no worker rights. Literally tens of thousands will be killed or maimed in constructing the monstrosities required for this tournament, and ancillary structures (hotels, roads, fan parks etc). Workers get paid around GBP250 per month. There is no minimum wage, no right to unionise, no right to assemble. Workers die in countless ways, some just drop dead in heat of the summer. They land in Qatar, herded from villages in India, have their passports taken from them and are put to work – their treatment would make Ramises blush.

I believe Scotland should not participate in this tournament out of moral principal and I’d like to see Rangers fans lead the campaign to convince Scotland not to take part. The values of Qatar are contrary to the values of the Rangers support (which includes equality for LGBT people and women and strong worker rights and protections) and as such we believe Scotland should not be participating in this tournament.

Let’s be on the side of right, again and let’s show up the phoneys for what they are. This is a win-win for Rangers. We get to take the moral high ground and ram it to some of our enemies for their crass hypocrisy.

Letters to MPs and all sorts will be sent, I’ll keep you posted on replies.
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My biggest issue, by a country mile is Qatar being a huge source of Isis funding. That would be my reason
 
Mez said:
Which part do you find hard to believe? The fact the majority of the workers that die have underlying conditions? My father in law has absolutely no reason to lie about that.
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You said that 99% of the workers that die are already terminally ill or critically ill (your words). You do know that every worker has to get a permit to work and that includes a medical certificate (and TBH an easy win for the Qatari government would be to refuse entry to those who are critically ill or terminally ill (think it's generally pretty easy to spot this)).

Now since he works in a hospital, what he probably does see is that workers who die generally have some underlying health condition (which might be more difficult to spot in the medical). Underlying health conditions causes the deaths of most people (people don't just die for no reason), especially those of a working age.

So am not saying he is lying, but the fact that 300 out of those thousand die due to an accident - and I guarantee the vast majority of them do not have an underlying condition - so you are down to 70% already. As for the rest sure - there are a few who perhaps know they have an issue but in a group of 1.8 million workers you will get a big number of people who die due to a condition they do not know about. So lets say we are down to 10% of the people to come knowing it is one last hurrah for their families to earn some dosh - bit different from 99% - so again - I find it hard to believe.
 
bobally said:
Polio? Thats a new one on me after 35 years working and living in the GCC and recruiting in excess of 10,000 folk for various projects....Full blood tests for hiv, hep, x-ray for tb, and a wee medical check up is the norm..so any terminally ill or critically ill folk would be picked up quite quick
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Apologies mate just one that I was told when asked when screened here in Abu Dhabi
 
SoGo said:
You said that 99% of the workers that die are already terminally ill or critically ill (your words). You do know that every worker has to get a permit to work and that includes a medical certificate (and TBH an easy win for th8e Qatari government would be to refuse entry to those who are critically ill or terminally ill (think it's generally pretty easy to spot this)).

Now since he works in a hospital, what he probably does see is that workers who die generally have some underlying health condition (which might be more difficult to spot in the medical). Underlying health conditions causes the deaths of most people (people don't just die for no reason), especially those of a working age.

So am not saying he is lying, but the fact that 300 out of those thousand die due to an accident - and I guarantee the vast majority of them do not have an underlying condition - so you are down to 70% already. As for the rest sure - there are a few who perhaps know they have an issue but in a group of 1.8 million workers you will get a big number of people who die due to a condition they do not know about. So lets say we are down to 10% of the people to come knowing it is one last hurrah for their families to earn some dosh - bit different from 99% - so again - I find it hard to believe.
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Agree...Mez is making up shite....On the other hand most folk who get treated in HMC are not getting good care as the standards of health professionals is questionable
 
gogs60 said:
Apologies mate just one that I was told when asked when screened here in Abu Dhabi
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Abu Dhabi is easy in terms of medical....I commissioned the main hospital in the city in the late 90s/beginning of 2000.....Sheikh Khalifa Medical Centre
 
Scotland will never qualify for world cup ever again in my lifetime so theres is no need to worry about that.
 
bobally said:
Abu Dhabi is easy in terms of medical....I commissioned the main hospital in the city in the late 90s/beginning of 2000.....Sheikh Khalifa Medical Centre
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After seeing the state of some of the people that get through, very light on the medical. Been for half a dozen and it never gets any better...
 
I can quite safely say scotland will boycott the Qatar world cup in their own special way by being too crap to qualify.
 
bobally said:
Thats bullshit...how does someone get a work permit in Qatar if they are already supposedly terminally ill...how do they pass the medical in Doha?
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I’m passing on what I’ve been told from a doctor. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs.

I suspect since they don’t exactly care much about the migrant workers, most of which live in the caravan sites in the desert, that thorough medicals aren’t a high priority.

Unless you’re also a doctor at one of Doha’s hospitals, then I’m going to disregard what you have to say.

I’m certainly not making anything up, although I have made my mind up on you. Twat.
 
SoGo said:
You said that 99% of the workers that die are already terminally ill or critically ill (your words). You do know that every worker has to get a permit to work and that includes a medical certificate (and TBH an easy win for the Qatari government would be to refuse entry to those who are critically ill or terminally ill (think it's generally pretty easy to spot this)).

Now since he works in a hospital, what he probably does see is that workers who die generally have some underlying health condition (which might be more difficult to spot in the medical). Underlying health conditions causes the deaths of most people (people don't just die for no reason), especially those of a working age.

So am not saying he is lying, but the fact that 300 out of those thousand die due to an accident - and I guarantee the vast majority of them do not have an underlying condition - so you are down to 70% already. As for the rest sure - there are a few who perhaps know they have an issue but in a group of 1.8 million workers you will get a big number of people who die due to a condition they do not know about. So lets say we are down to 10% of the people to come knowing it is one last hurrah for their families to earn some dosh - bit different from 99% - so again - I find it hard to believe.
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I’d obviously be excluding accidents in those numbers. You seem to be discrediting me on supposition. Unless you have actual facts to disprove my assertions, which I’m happy to listen to if they prove me wrong, i’ll go with the person working there in the front line that the overwhelming majority die of an underlying illness and not industrial conditions, as is often reported here.

Using your figures, it’s hardly improbable to suggest that a few thousand out of 1.8M make it through the net?
 
gogs60 said:
They do it here and Dubai.
The medical is not overly stringent, here they scan for HIV and a couple of others such as polio followed by a quick x-ray then send you on your way an results are back within 2 days to let you get your residency visa that allows you to work.
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Thanks mate, although your answer doesn’t seem to suit the know it all who speaks for everything that goes on across the entire Middle East.
 
Mez said:
I’m passing on what I’ve been told from a doctor. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs.

I suspect since they don’t exactly care much about the migrant workers, most of which live in the caravan sites in the desert, that thorough medicals aren’t a high priority.

Unless you’re also a doctor at one of Doha’s hospitals, then I’m going to disregard what you have to say.

I’m certainly not making anything up, although I have made my mind up on you. Twat.
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Is your wife from the middle East? Just wondering why you are as against the grain on this thread as you are. It may be you are just well informed.
 
bobally said:
Agree...Mez is making up shite....On the other hand most folk who get treated in HMC are not getting good care as the standards of health professionals is questionable
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Talking about made up shite, your last sentence is utter made-up bollocks. Hamad is made up of some of the best doctors in the world, who have been brought in to bring their expertise to Qataris and improve the overall health care.
 
Duranman said:
Is your wife from the middle East? Just wondering why you are as against the grain on this thread as you are. It may be you are just well informed.
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She’s not mate, father in law is from Paisley, he’s likely to have dealt with a lot of the FF wives as he was the top Obs/Gyns guy in Scotland, particularly with twins (which is partially what got him head hunted by the Qataris).

Did 40 years in the NHS and then went to Doha to build up his pension (albeit he’s cutting his time short as he’s struggling to accept the cultural hypocrisy of the place). I wouldn’t have posted what I did if I doubted what he said, he’s not the sort of person to deal in hyperbole.
 
Think a lot of us have missed the point of the Rev,s post. Most of us would never have thought about any of this let alone discuss it. Hes brought this to light, if a bigger nation gave a toss their weight behind something like this would count. But in this Nation its only their narrow wee views that count for them. If you read parts of the post, its hard to distinguish between here and there.
 
I've spent a fair amount of time in the Middle East - 6 years in Abu Dhabi - 4 years in KSA - almost 4 years in Qatar - I've also had 3 years in Algeria
My opinion - for what It's worth - which is hee haw compared to some of course - but although none of these places are exactly innocent when it comes to human rights for itinerant workers- but the absolute worst of the worst by a country mile in my experience is Qatar
 
Mez said:
Talking about made up shite, your last sentence is utter made-up bollocks. Hamad is made up of some of the best doctors in the world, who have been brought in to bring their expertise to Qataris and improve the overall health care.
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Aye right I know a lot more about HMC than you to be honest.
 
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