Rangers hero McCoist asks why Sturgeon mentioned Ibrox side and Ayr in condemnation of Celtic anti-Lennon protesters

Broxbound Bear said:
My entire point is clearly that it seems odd to be offended when it comes to matters SNP and Rangers but when others are offended in different circumstances their agency is denied. It's really not that complicated.
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And it also reads as a defence of the snp .

as for the bit in bold there’s clearly a difference as the snp are using their power and influence to damage the club and fans and are consistent in the targeting of the club . Fans are entitled to worry and ask questions of fellow supporters who appear to take the stance of a political party over their club .
 
jigster said:
Ally absolutely hits the nail on the head and no one in 100 replies no one has mentioned Ross County and we'd do well to take heed, it has been a fantastic result for Ross county and no one is talking about it ......... we are ignoring it at our pearl
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I once knew a girl called pearl, she was a wee gem - great knitter too, she could Knit 1 Purl 1 with the best of them. :p

The peril is all at porkheid. ;)
 
Well said Super, absolutely no need to drag Rangers and Ayr into this.

As for that poisonous bitch, it’s Celtic and only Celtic you need to be mentioning.

Then again, you should be mentioning Celtic and only Celtic in other matters - and we all know why you don’t.

We’ve got a useless, incompetent fool of a first minister here in Wales - but boy do I feel sorry for all the good folk in Scotland with this hateful mob in charge.
 
Calvinist said:
And it also reads as a defence of the snp .

as for the bit in bold there’s clearly a difference as the snp are using their power and influence to damage the club and fans and are consistent in the targeting of the club . Fans are entitled to worry and ask questions of fellow supporters who appear to take the stance of a political party over their club .
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Thinking about it, what I should have said is that this entire thread is FF's acknowledgement that Identity Politics exists and has a lot of validity.

We are talking about the need to have a political agenda based around the needs of Rangers and our supporters. Every call for the club to 'make a statement' is an acknowledgement that the needs and agency of Rangers is something that should be respected in Scottish society and something that we should be fighting for.

In which case, if we acknowledge that Identity Politics is a valid tool for Rangers to employ then we must acknowledge that it is a valid tool for other religions, races, class or other identifying factors.

And if we accept that then we must accept that all the 'woke snowflakes' might have a point.

I really hope you agree that I have a point. Me having a point doesn't mean you need to adopt everything I've said wholesale. If you're thinking of replying to tell me that the SNP are in fact the vanguard of Identity Politics which only exists to make sure people aren't allowed to "Say what they think" then feel free to, that's your opinion and I won't be offended!
 
-ZED- said:
He should have said “Bringing Rangers into the discussion was wrong, whether it was by the Scottish National Party, The National Socialist Party of Germany or The British National Party” and see how they like it.
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That would have been the perfect response.
 
It really is disgraceful what she said and she knew exactly what she was doing.

Not comfortable talking about that mob so Rangers get a mention for reasons posted above... their support will do it again.. will she just repeat the same point, say sports fans next time or even just refuse to speak about it, she isnt exactly giving the cops full backing.
 
Thornliebank_Bear said:
It really is disgraceful what she said and she knew exactly what she was doing.

Not comfortable talking about that mob so Rangers get a mention for reasons posted above... their support will do it again.. will she just repeat the same point, say sports fans next time or even just refuse to speak about it, she isnt exactly giving the cops full backing.
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Think again about Sunday.

300 odd slime, at tops. Three plod injured.

The reaction? Nothing. A wee nod to the affray but deliberately mention and bring non participants into the guddle.

May 2008 - 175,000 minimum at Manchester, 42 arrests, sh1t happens. Not all our fault.

Next day the Natsis send an apology to the people of Manchester because of our behaviour.

No apologies will ever be forthcoming when timbo lets loose.

If all goes well at our end there will be lots more examples into the New Year.

Expect, the filth and their sectarian hatred to get a free pass.

No apologies to the people of Glasgow yesterday
 
She was appeasing the Britain haters. Didn’t want to take sides so she Attempted to drag Rangers into the Celtic circus to balance things off. But if rangers fans do anything wrong then it’s us and only us that’s mentioned.
 
BlueMeanie said:

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Rangers hero Ally McCoist has questioned why first minister Nicola Sturgeon saw fit to bring Rangers and Ayr United into the conversation when condemning the actions of the Celtic fans who broke lockdown rules to stage violent protests against manager Neil Lennon.
Hoops players were forced into a swift exit from Celtic Park after hundreds of angry supporters congregated at the ground to call for the Northern Irishman's departure following the 2-0 Betfred Cup reverse to Ross County on Sunday.
Rangers legend Ally McCoist reckons there was room for improvement in Rangers' Old Firm show' Old Firm show


McCoist, like Sturgeon, took a dim view of the proceedings but questioned why the first minister had saw fit to broaden her remarks out.
She said: "I don't care if you're a Celtic fan, a Rangers fan, an Ayr United fan or no fan of football at all.
"Anybody who attacks police officers is doing wrong and that is pretty despicable.
"I would say that across the board regardless of football or any other sporting affiliation."

Celtic fans clashed with cops during the protest


McCoist told talkSPORT this morning: "Going back to Nicola I don't know why she brought Rangers and poor Ayr United into it for but that is probably a topic for another discussion ...."
"But I think defensively, I have been watching Celtic for a long, long time and their biggest problem is definitely defensively.

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"To lose eight goals against what I thought was an average Sparta Prague side was a pretty poor showing.
"They look like they are a team completely devoid of confidence at all.


"And you need to feel for Start Kettlewell an the Ross County boys.
"They have had one of the greatest results in their history and no-one is talking about it."
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My only issue with McCoist on this one is the “for another day” line.
I’m struggling to see why.
Getting dragged into this in any way is a discussion for today, tomorrow and everyday until the practice of pairing us with them when there is a negative story about them stops.
 
Otis Blue said:
She was appeasing the Britain haters. Didn’t want to take sides so she Attempted to drag Rangers into the Celtic circus to balance things off. But if Rangers fans do anything wrong then it’s us and only us that’s mentioned.
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The secret to the SNP’s rise to power?divide and rule,people in Scotland should be very careful what they wish for!
 
Broxbound Bear said:
Thinking about it, what I should have said is that this entire thread is FF's acknowledgement that Identity Politics exists and has a lot of validity.

We are talking about the need to have a political agenda based around the needs of Rangers and our supporters. Every call for the club to 'make a statement' is an acknowledgement that the needs and agency of Rangers is something that should be respected in Scottish society and something that we should be fighting for.

In which case, if we acknowledge that Identity Politics is a valid tool for Rangers to employ then we must acknowledge that it is a valid tool for other religions, races, class or other identifying factors.

And if we accept that then we must accept that all the 'woke snowflakes' might have a point.

I really hope you agree that I have a point. Me having a point doesn't mean you need to adopt everything I've said wholesale. If you're thinking of replying to tell me that the SNP are in fact the vanguard of Identity Politics which only exists to make sure people aren't allowed to "Say what they think" then feel free to, that's your opinion and I won't be offended!
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Spoken like a true nationalist , play the man not the ball and essentially ignoring why ally McCoist felt the need to speak out in the first place .
 
Broxbound Bear said:
I appreciate the reply but I think you've possibly overcomplicated things a bit. I haven't actually defended her remarks once.

I'm referring mostly to people who give it the old "the Natzi bint is trying to destroy the fabric of Scottish society" patter yet decry anyone who criticises racist and sexist remarks.
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I haven't over complicated the issue in the slightest nor have I accused you of anything either.

The FM wasn't asked about Football fans in general nor was she specifically asked about Ayr United or Rangers. However she was specifically asked about Celtic fans and their violent behaviour and actions towards the police on Sunday evening. That is a blindingly obvious predicate clause!

It is also clear to the vast majority of observers even outside the confines of this forum board that she obviously felt that it was safer ground to stand on by employing the broader brush stroke of 'football supporters' which unfortunately for her includes innocent parties who were not involved in this incident. Its absolutely unacceptable as it is 'othering' sections of Scottish society based on the fact that they may be football supporters. The fact that these Celtic louts just happened to also claim to be football fans even has certain members of the Celtic support themselves openly questioning whether they are or not and whether that is true or not.

I had made the assumption that you may take the merit in my above post to examine your final statement from earlier with a view to amending it.

Unfortunately you haven't and if anything you've doubled down on it. I thought at the time, I'm confident that you're unaware of your own flawed thought. I'll be blunt in as much as I think you were skating on fairly thin ice with your statement accusing the posters on this forum of being duplicitous pearl clutchers when they quite obviously are not. There are a myriad reasoned posters on these boards and I'd even go as far as to say many posters here are the exact opposite of your implied hypocrisy.

It is entirely reasonable to hold two positions, on different subjects, at the same time provided they do not contradict each other.

In this case we the Rangers support and that includes you were being woven into criminal acts committed by a specific set of people on Sunday evening. No Rangers supporters were involved and indeed no Ayr United supporters were involved either. That is a sinister manoeuvre by the authorities and needs to be watched.

It is perfectly reasonable for Rangers, and indeed Ayr United, supporters to seek clarity or complain about their inclusion in an act that was perpetrated by a specific group of people and who had nothing to do with it whatsoever! It certainly doesn't help your argument which seems to be one of reductio ad absurdum. Suggesting that these two very separate states are somehow absurd or contradictory and therefore Hypocritical.

They are not!
 
The club needs to make a statement on this. We threw ourselves into thorny issues over the summer so why not now when our club needs to be defended? Us being lumped in with badly behaving beasts when we had no involvement is a clear case for the club to defend our fans.
 
My Mrs doesn’t even like football and she said to me why did she have to mention “Us” sturgeons a wee power hungry boot
 
Get the Gaffer to casually mention it at his press conference.

"Great we're making our fans happy, need to keep it going. But even after the hard times in recent years you never saw our fans behave like those on Sunday. Surprised we got mentioned by the First Minister, she obviously doesn't follow football"...
 
Graham - Gersnet Pod said:
I haven't over complicated the issue in the slightest nor have I accused you of anything either.

The FM wasn't asked about Football fans in general nor was she specifically asked about Ayr United or Rangers. However she was specifically asked about Celtic fans and their violent behaviour and actions towards the police on Sunday evening. That is a blindingly obvious predicate clause!

It is also clear to the vast majority of observers even outside the confines of this forum board that she obviously felt that it was safer ground to stand on by employing the broader brush stroke of 'football supporters' which unfortunately for her includes innocent parties who were not involved in this incident. Its absolutely unacceptable as it is 'othering' sections of Scottish society based on the fact that they may be football supporters. The fact that these Celtic louts just happened to also claim to be football fans even has certain members of the Celtic support themselves openly questioning whether they are or not and whether that is true or not.

I had made the assumption that you may take the merit in my above post to examine your final statement from earlier with a view to amending it.

Unfortunately you haven't and if anything you've doubled down on it. I thought at the time, I'm confident that you're unaware of your own flawed thought. I'll be blunt in as much as I think you were skating on fairly thin ice with your statement accusing the posters on this forum of being duplicitous pearl clutchers when they quite obviously are not. There are a myriad reasoned posters on these boards and I'd even go as far as to say many posters here are the exact opposite of your implied hypocrisy.

It is entirely reasonable to hold two positions, on different subjects, at the same time provided they do not contradict each other.

In this case we the Rangers support and that includes you were being woven into criminal acts committed by a specific set of people on Sunday evening. No Rangers supporters were involved and indeed no Ayr United supporters were involved either. That is a sinister manoeuvre by the authorities and needs to be watched.

It is perfectly reasonable for Rangers, and indeed Ayr United, supporters to seek clarity or complain about their inclusion in an act that was perpetrated by a specific group of people and who had nothing to do with it whatsoever! It certainly doesn't help your argument which seems to be one of reductio ad absurdum. Suggesting that these two very separate states are somehow absurd or contradictory and therefore Hypocritical.

They are not!
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Outstanding post mate.
 
Graham - Gersnet Pod said:
I haven't over complicated the issue in the slightest nor have I accused you of anything either.

The FM wasn't asked about Football fans in general nor was she specifically asked about Ayr United or Rangers. However she was specifically asked about Celtic fans and their violent behaviour and actions towards the police on Sunday evening. That is a blindingly obvious predicate clause!

It is also clear to the vast majority of observers even outside the confines of this forum board that she obviously felt that it was safer ground to stand on by employing the broader brush stroke of 'football supporters' which unfortunately for her includes innocent parties who were not involved in this incident. Its absolutely unacceptable as it is 'othering' sections of Scottish society based on the fact that they may be football supporters. The fact that these Celtic louts just happened to also claim to be football fans even has certain members of the Celtic support themselves openly questioning whether they are or not and whether that is true or not.

I had made the assumption that you may take the merit in my above post to examine your final statement from earlier with a view to amending it.

Unfortunately you haven't and if anything you've doubled down on it. I thought at the time, I'm confident that you're unaware of your own flawed thought. I'll be blunt in as much as I think you were skating on fairly thin ice with your statement accusing the posters on this forum of being duplicitous pearl clutchers when they quite obviously are not. There are a myriad reasoned posters on these boards and I'd even go as far as to say many posters here are the exact opposite of your implied hypocrisy.

It is entirely reasonable to hold two positions, on different subjects, at the same time provided they do not contradict each other.

In this case we the Rangers support and that includes you were being woven into criminal acts committed by a specific set of people on Sunday evening. No Rangers supporters were involved and indeed no Ayr United supporters were involved either. That is a sinister manoeuvre by the authorities and needs to be watched.

It is perfectly reasonable for Rangers, and indeed Ayr United, supporters to seek clarity or complain about their inclusion in an act that was perpetrated by a specific group of people and who had nothing to do with it whatsoever! It certainly doesn't help your argument which seems to be one of reductio ad absurdum. Suggesting that these two very separate states are somehow absurd or contradictory and therefore Hypocritical.

They are not!
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Headshot to the pseudo intellectual
 
I see the muppet accusing our fans of all being racist in a perverse attempt to defend the wee hitler has been put in his place and gone into hiding. Good riddance.

Really someone throwing around the slur of racism on our members here with no merit to his filthy slights should be on a warning at least for such putrid behaviour.
 
Graham - Gersnet Pod said:
I haven't over complicated the issue in the slightest nor have I accused you of anything either.

The FM wasn't asked about Football fans in general nor was she specifically asked about Ayr United or Rangers. However she was specifically asked about Celtic fans and their violent behaviour and actions towards the police on Sunday evening. That is a blindingly obvious predicate clause!

It is also clear to the vast majority of observers even outside the confines of this forum board that she obviously felt that it was safer ground to stand on by employing the broader brush stroke of 'football supporters' which unfortunately for her includes innocent parties who were not involved in this incident. Its absolutely unacceptable as it is 'othering' sections of Scottish society based on the fact that they may be football supporters. The fact that these Celtic louts just happened to also claim to be football fans even has certain members of the Celtic support themselves openly questioning whether they are or not and whether that is true or not.

I had made the assumption that you may take the merit in my above post to examine your final statement from earlier with a view to amending it.

Unfortunately you haven't and if anything you've doubled down on it. I thought at the time, I'm confident that you're unaware of your own flawed thought. I'll be blunt in as much as I think you were skating on fairly thin ice with your statement accusing the posters on this forum of being duplicitous pearl clutchers when they quite obviously are not. There are a myriad reasoned posters on these boards and I'd even go as far as to say many posters here are the exact opposite of your implied hypocrisy.

It is entirely reasonable to hold two positions, on different subjects, at the same time provided they do not contradict each other.

In this case we the Rangers support and that includes you were being woven into criminal acts committed by a specific set of people on Sunday evening. No Rangers supporters were involved and indeed no Ayr United supporters were involved either. That is a sinister manoeuvre by the authorities and needs to be watched.

It is perfectly reasonable for Rangers, and indeed Ayr United, supporters to seek clarity or complain about their inclusion in an act that was perpetrated by a specific group of people and who had nothing to do with it whatsoever! It certainly doesn't help your argument which seems to be one of reductio ad absurdum. Suggesting that these two very separate states are somehow absurd or contradictory and therefore Hypocritical.

They are not!
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Sorry mate, you don't understand what I'm saying so we'll have to leave it there. All the best.
 
Wishbone said:
What happened at Parkhead on Sunday was disgusting and we totally condemn the Celtic fans who took part in a violent protest during lockdown restrictions. That's all the wee boot needed to say
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You are totally correct mate but the wee boot relies on the mentally challenged vote...
 
-ZED- said:
He should have said “Bringing Rangers into the discussion was wrong, whether it was by the Scottish National Party, The National Socialist Party of Germany or The British National Party” and see how they like it.
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Excellent zed,don't think super would,just have the nous to say that,its in my brain now tho,first class mate!
 
tazzabear said:
My only issue with McCoist on this one is the “for another day” line.
I’m struggling to see why.
Getting dragged into this in any way is a discussion for today, tomorrow and everyday until the practice of pairing us with them when there is a negative story about them stops.
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I think he at least got it out there Tazza with that cheeky chap grin. He made the point.
 
tazzabear said:
My only issue with McCoist on this one is the “for another day” line.
I’m struggling to see why.
Getting dragged into this in any way is a discussion for today, tomorrow and everyday until the practice of pairing us with them when there is a negative story about them stops.
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No
Ally was correct.
His comment was slightly rhetorical...
It leaves open to speculation (to the intelligent rangers-minded population out there) that this is a manipulation tactic; not about football, not about facts but about getting across the "political message"
That is indeed a separate topic from the incident at Parkheid which is indeed a topic for another day!

Ally was on a program to talk about foootball. He did a good job of sticking to that but also bringing awareness to this disgraceful comment...
 
-ZED- said:
He should have said “Bringing Rangers into the discussion was wrong, whether it was by the Scottish National Party, The National Socialist Party of Germany or The British National Party” and see how they like it.
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That is indeed pretty well the perfect response.

It's still not too late for some outlets to pick that up and run with it.
 
RangerInCanada said:
No
Ally was correct.
His comment was slightly rhetorical...
It leaves open to speculation (to the intelligent Rangers-minded population out there) that this is a manipulation tactic; not about football, not about facts but about getting across the "political message"
That is indeed a separate topic from the incident at Parkheid which is indeed a topic for another day!

Ally was on a program to talk about foootball. He did a good job of sticking to that but also bringing awareness to this disgraceful comment...
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All fair comment.
Are you based in Canada?
Maybe, and it’s just a maybe, you don’t see how often this happens.
How often the press protect the scum support by failing to mention them when it’s so clear and obvious that they’re the culprits.
(Are you aware that just because you’re wearing a Celtic scarf and a Celtic top doesn’t mean you’re a Celtic supporter?)
Or, as has happened with this today, when there is absolutely no doubting their guilt, we get lumped in with them.
That’s the sickener for me and I’d just like it highlighted more often.
As both yourself, and the poster immediately before you, state, McCoist was right to get it out there, which is more than most have done.
In all honesty, both of you are probably correct.
My issue was that I initially thought he was saying it shouldn’t be mentioned today.
 
yeah
i get your point (all the way from canada)
totally
i just thought mccoist did not mean "day" literally, more like rhetorical comment. because his producer is expecting him to talk about football.
i think he deliberately brought up the issue, and the implication is that how politicians manipulate these things is a whole other topic that needs looked at.... someday
anyway, on the whole we totally agree!!
 
-ZED- said:
He should have said “Bringing Rangers into the discussion was wrong, whether it was by the Scottish National Party, The National Socialist Party of Germany or The British National Party” and see how they like it.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
She could not wait to drop our name into this disgusting affair. No need to tarnish our reputation but no surprise coming from this party. Well done Ally for pulling her up.
 
I truly hate that helmet headed wee Krankie look alike but it’s no surprise really, as many have noted she’s got to be very careful she doesn’t upset a sizeable portion of her voters.

Oh, and well in Super Ally.
 
BlueMeanie said:

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Rangers hero Ally McCoist has questioned why first minister Nicola Sturgeon saw fit to bring Rangers and Ayr United into the conversation when condemning the actions of the Celtic fans who broke lockdown rules to stage violent protests against manager Neil Lennon.
Hoops players were forced into a swift exit from Celtic Park after hundreds of angry supporters congregated at the ground to call for the Northern Irishman's departure following the 2-0 Betfred Cup reverse to Ross County on Sunday.
Rangers legend Ally McCoist reckons there was room for improvement in Rangers' Old Firm show' Old Firm show


McCoist, like Sturgeon, took a dim view of the proceedings but questioned why the first minister had saw fit to broaden her remarks out.
She said: "I don't care if you're a Celtic fan, a Rangers fan, an Ayr United fan or no fan of football at all.
"Anybody who attacks police officers is doing wrong and that is pretty despicable.
"I would say that across the board regardless of football or any other sporting affiliation."

Celtic fans clashed with cops during the protest


McCoist told talkSPORT this morning: "Going back to Nicola I don't know why she brought Rangers and poor Ayr United into it for but that is probably a topic for another discussion ...."
"But I think defensively, I have been watching Celtic for a long, long time and their biggest problem is definitely defensively.

​

"To lose eight goals against what I thought was an average Sparta Prague side was a pretty poor showing.
"They look like they are a team completely devoid of confidence at all.


"And you need to feel for Start Kettlewell an the Ross County boys.
"They have had one of the greatest results in their history and no-one is talking about it."
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I don't care if you're a bully, an authoritarian, a tyrant or a Member of the Scottish Parliament.

Anybody who brings Rangers and Ayr United into this debate is doing wrong and that is pretty despicable.
 
Well done ally .but surely the club should be putting out a statement asking why she had to mention us and ayrUnited.
 
So, not challenged on why she lumped us in with the Groin Brigade? Because, lets face it, that's who was protesting on Sunday night.
 
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