Rangers Launch New Diversity & Inclusion Campaign – #EveryoneAnyone
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Coop1872
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It would be nice to think so and it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I'm not so sure it will change that much. In reality the haters will continue to hate.
TheStandardBearer
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I’m playing devils advocate here but it needs said.
For arguement sake,
a wee foreign practicing catholic woman flys into Scotland to see her favourite team.
During the day she hears loads of chants, 50p flute, follow follow(FTP and Vatican) and maybe a wee Tiffany number as she’s leaving the ground for good measure.
Is she within her rights to feel upset?
Her day following her team has turned into a day of listening to half-wits sing about her religion.
Now this is all hypothetical but it’s very very likely this does happen, especially with the amount of new interest/supporters our new manager has generated.
Food for thought. Be truly open to all.
Superrangers
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I don’t welcome the SNP. They are enemies of Rangers.
It doesn't change the fact that anyone who votes SNP should still be welcome at Ibrox.
deedle
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The club inhabits an extremely toxic environment. It has decided it doesn't need specialist public relations input or a powerful CEO.
Already, it is clear that today's initiative means different things to different people. The message isn't clear. The media, I suspect, will be only concerned with one angle - what they call 'sectarianism'.
To the cynical, it can (and no doubt will) be twisted to argue that the club has a problem.
I understand people don't want to be critical of a board that rescued the club. Yet I believe there are fundamental problems with decision-making and this stems from the way the club is organised.
wee bud's pit boots
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Because you hit the nail on the fecking head.
I was agreeing with you.
Once the club sticks up for its core audience and fanbase first, then we'll discuss anything and everything else.
Until then, it's a big sod off from me.
Laugh out loud or lots of love?
Lots of love for me.
Subway Bear
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Was going to shops earlier and Clyde was on, only heard about a minute of it, but this announcement was being used by 5 priests to highlight singing against Clarke last season and other non specific incidents. That's the issue we are up against. A positive new story, taking the club forward and our media use it to castigate us. Nothing against this announcement and support it fully, but we need a more pro active voice out there. They played a short clip of Robertson and that's it. We should have put someone forward to be available to discuss it fully on a show like suoerscoreboard to shoot down this sort of nonsense, instead we do a puff piece PR exercise and let our enemies control the narrative.
DylanGer
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Although I have disagreed sometimes on some of the specifics of our history I tend to think Deedle is largely correct on this.
Let's be frank these type of initiatives whatever way they are dressed up have been turning up for decades now. They've changed nothing either way.
It doesn't mean you are criticising the core sentiment but in the context of where the club is and how it is viewed it strikes me as largely pointless tokenism.
Nobody will remember this in a year.
Mustang mad
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You put it far better than I could.
Thanks
deedle
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An issue barely addressed on this thread is that the three politicians backing the club on this are all Labour. Not much in the way of diversity there! What message does this send out?
Pauline McNeill's Twitter comments on Orange parades show her largely backing Call It Out, who we know contain Republican/Green Brigade activists.
Stewart Robertson and Dave King desperately need professional advice on this type of issue. If you're not entirely sure of what you're doing, best leave well alone.
bLuE PirAtE
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dmaude1872
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This!
ThomasMRFC
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Ibrox is for everyone that’s true I don’t care what your religion, sexual orientation, colour of skin is . If your a rangers fan then great
But if this is a way of stopping songs /chants or trying to turn media back on our side as some have said it’s a token gesture.
No matter what we do the snp led media will hate us
If it’s to stop the songs about the pope the Uvf and the ira it won’t work. The last campaign was follow with pride. That’s been running for what 15 years. Have the chants stopped. No and will they because of this. These chants will prob end one day but it won’t be because of campaigns like this . It will be because of the passing of time as the troubles are long forgotten. 30- 50 years. maybe
The club need to hire PR specialists for things like this. The message is correct but they need to be smarter about how they go about it
But if this is a way of stopping songs /chants or trying to turn media back on our side as some have said it’s a token gesture.
No matter what we do the snp led media will hate us
If it’s to stop the songs about the pope the Uvf and the ira it won’t work. The last campaign was follow with pride. That’s been running for what 15 years. Have the chants stopped. No and will they because of this. These chants will prob end one day but it won’t be because of campaigns like this . It will be because of the passing of time as the troubles are long forgotten. 30- 50 years. maybe
The club need to hire PR specialists for things like this. The message is correct but they need to be smarter about how they go about it
BillySimpson
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I imagine if they hired PR specialists, this statement may be exactly what they advised them to do.
hammer-time
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she does back call it out and has posted rather dubious comments previously after we have played the scum..
here she is with Sarwar backing call it out
I have requested a meeting too Pauline as had some concerning emails about it. This is completely unacceptable behaviour. Happy to discuss further with
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Forth Bear
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I find this a totally pointless initiative. Everyone is welcome at Ibrox and always has been, so long as they support Rangers.
Nothing got spoken about at the press conference that isn't and hasn't been happening for years.
Rangers fans should never be ashamed of the culture and history of our core fan base. It's who and what we are, but anyone who loves Rangers is welcome at Ibrox - no matter their race, religion, gender or sexuality.
Nothing got spoken about at the press conference that isn't and hasn't been happening for years.
Rangers fans should never be ashamed of the culture and history of our core fan base. It's who and what we are, but anyone who loves Rangers is welcome at Ibrox - no matter their race, religion, gender or sexuality.
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Travis Bickle
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Well done to The Rangers for getting these public figures to rubber stamp this initiative.
Rangers have done to them what SCIAF did to McCoist years ago when he did promo work for them, imho, he was put in a position where he couldn't say no or else be branded a bigot.
Or am I just being cynical?
Big D
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We are not the problem here. Dinosaurs like Keevins and bigots like Spiers are the problem. We have done our bit. They don't want a representative of Rangers to put our case on their poxy radio show, because they want to dictate the agenda and having a counter argument, or any semblance of balance, would be a hindrance to that.
Queens park and Partick thistle already exist for liberals who dont want a loyalist viewpoint .if you just like blue.Theres always killie.Much easier to trample unionists,loyalist and prods if they are blind to their own identity.A wee bear sees a union flag being ripped down in future.He doesnt regonise its an attack on him because his club is for "everyone" the loyalist identity not ungrained in him.He doesnt know who or what he is. SNP lapdogs and people who have interalized too many Graham Spiers articles.A staunch Rangers is a Strong Rangers. Why would a diverse inclusive Rangers take on snp and mentally challengeds ? No reason if we are not a proddy club.
mdingwall
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The Catholics, gays, sikhs, muslims, buddhists, jews, Yessers et al are already in our support.
If you are confident in your own beliefs and happy to promote them in the manner they should be then I don't see what your problem is.
Ibroxmassive
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Initiatives like the Autism Friendly room allow for fans who would not be able to attend games, or who would feel that they were not able to attend, to go to Ibrox and enjoy a Rangers game.
Putting all of those initiatives under one umbrella banner - making it snappy and short - and then being able to respond to negative accusations in the press with positive stories that are clippable and catchy makes massive amounts of sense.
Perception of acceptance from marginalised groups requires positive actions on the clubs part to reach out. You might know that you don’t care who you’re sat next too, but it’s clear from groups like Ibrox Pride that some people don’t know that, so what harm is there in telling them?
Putting all of those initiatives under one umbrella banner - making it snappy and short - and then being able to respond to negative accusations in the press with positive stories that are clippable and catchy makes massive amounts of sense.
Perception of acceptance from marginalised groups requires positive actions on the clubs part to reach out. You might know that you don’t care who you’re sat next too, but it’s clear from groups like Ibrox Pride that some people don’t know that, so what harm is there in telling them?
YoungGer97
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If this aint a club for people who arent protestant, then i reckon about two thirds of people in the stands wont be back in your world?
Its a total surrender. Accepting what our enemies have been saying for 30 years about us (its lies.asains always felt welcome for example.its a total lie we need to get rid of loyalism to get gays and Asains to attend) and accepting their solutions.Guys like Lawwell will be lapping up us laying down our arms.2012 has sapped of the fight out of our support. Many now want to placate our enemies instead of taking them on.its funny how the bheasts never need to modernize or drop ira songs to get black and gay fans to attend...
Zwingli'sSausages
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You're right, it was more like 90% of the male population in Sparta.
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govwalker
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No offence but what the fck has The Pope ever had to do with a football match especially in 2019. The add ons along with all the UVF songs at matches are cringe worthy on live TV.
And I say that about the add ons to The Sash etc pisses me off as a member of the O.O. and ABOD.
You talk some shite
AndythephotoDr
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I’ve not read through much of this thread and I’m only commenting as I’ve just watched the press conference for this on YouTube.
I have to say this is a wonderful thing for the club to be involved in but the biggest benefit obviously will be any detractors who suggest the club are not doing enough to combat sectarianism which fir me was never really a club issue in the first instance as for me it’s a social and educational issue (also an acceptance issue as there are some hypocrites who won’t accept one group yet are happy to allow their croup to do similar)
The other thing I’m delighted to see it’s not the club jumping on the Rainbow flag bandwagon and trying to get the pink pound as it seems companies are trying to do its an initiative that is pointing out these groups of people have ALWAYS been part of the Rangers support and that as a club we have always been understanding of this.
I liked hearing Frank McAveety saying that Rangers are a Glasgow and Scottish institution that should be respected something which a lot of people have forgotten. I guess Anas Sarwar was also saying he was a bluenose too after him joking about saying he was from Asian stock and preferred cricket when asked which club he supports. It’s funny as I was having as similar conversation with CJ Novo when I bumped into him at a games convention thing at the weekend that many bears were conditioned into almost being apologetic for being a bear as in some folks minds it stirs up some kind of meat headed bigot, Our support is from a very broad church.
I’m not a Tory voting, monarchist type bluenose and I should be accepted as a Rangers fan as much as anyone who is BUT on the flip side of that there needs to be an understanding in Scotland that folks who are Tory, Unionist, OO, royalists have to be respected too. There is too much outrage at folks holding different views rather than acceptance that we all have the right to think what we like. I hope I’m not making a pigs ear at explaining this and you get what I’m on about. Although you might not hold the same views as someone else they have the right to have them and equally so do you and it’s the latter part of that in Scotland just now folks have difficulty with. People more than happy to tell you how to think but not happy to listen when you perhaps don’t think the same and respect that.
I’m fully behind this move by the club and I hope it enforces the face we are a modern football club with a wide support
I have to say this is a wonderful thing for the club to be involved in but the biggest benefit obviously will be any detractors who suggest the club are not doing enough to combat sectarianism which fir me was never really a club issue in the first instance as for me it’s a social and educational issue (also an acceptance issue as there are some hypocrites who won’t accept one group yet are happy to allow their croup to do similar)
The other thing I’m delighted to see it’s not the club jumping on the Rainbow flag bandwagon and trying to get the pink pound as it seems companies are trying to do its an initiative that is pointing out these groups of people have ALWAYS been part of the Rangers support and that as a club we have always been understanding of this.
I liked hearing Frank McAveety saying that Rangers are a Glasgow and Scottish institution that should be respected something which a lot of people have forgotten. I guess Anas Sarwar was also saying he was a bluenose too after him joking about saying he was from Asian stock and preferred cricket when asked which club he supports. It’s funny as I was having as similar conversation with CJ Novo when I bumped into him at a games convention thing at the weekend that many bears were conditioned into almost being apologetic for being a bear as in some folks minds it stirs up some kind of meat headed bigot, Our support is from a very broad church.
I’m not a Tory voting, monarchist type bluenose and I should be accepted as a Rangers fan as much as anyone who is BUT on the flip side of that there needs to be an understanding in Scotland that folks who are Tory, Unionist, OO, royalists have to be respected too. There is too much outrage at folks holding different views rather than acceptance that we all have the right to think what we like. I hope I’m not making a pigs ear at explaining this and you get what I’m on about. Although you might not hold the same views as someone else they have the right to have them and equally so do you and it’s the latter part of that in Scotland just now folks have difficulty with. People more than happy to tell you how to think but not happy to listen when you perhaps don’t think the same and respect that.
I’m fully behind this move by the club and I hope it enforces the face we are a modern football club with a wide support
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Similar thoughts myself, another steerage to political correctness and flim flam.
Texas ranger
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The video is very well done. Good initiative from the club.
Zwingli'sSausages
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In the beautiful words of our very own Reverend Stuart MacQuarrie, "We’re united by our love of the world’s most successful football club"
I have news for you..some bears don't give a %^*& about loyalism, unionist, proddy faith. Are you saying they should drop their love for the Rangers and go watch another club? LOL serious LOL
^^^^ Yep. I hope this fills in the gaps for those who don't get it. I won't hold my breath on it though
RaoulDuke11
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utter baws mate.
Barryhopez
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Your posts on this subject are unpunctuated nonsense.
trueblue77
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I posted on another thread yesterday on the predictable 'sectarian outrage' that will no doubt happen the second we look like winning the league. It seems the club are getting the first hit in early. Cynical I know, but probably true.
hammer-time
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so is Pauline mcNeil., have you never seen the stuff she posts on twitter..she's a rabid scum fan. her comment about OUR launch from yesterday she has had to thank Celtic for being at pride on Saturday! her support of call it out and its leaders should seen her not involved with this as they all have a history of sectarian abuse towards our support and some have convictions for sectarianism.
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BluenoseAL
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Ms Haggerty using our clubs initiative to try further her claim of religious bigotry against her, i questioned this claim in an appropriate manner and she then blocked me, for the record this initiative by the club is brilliant because it puts to bed the claims by the authorities/SMSM that we don't do enough
I think the SDI court case ruling is slightly more important here lads and lasses....
BL11
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I think any positive news should be embraced as exactly that.
The SDI case is important too.
No, more important x 1,000
The Crimson King
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I clicked on this thread thinking "surely not this one. Surely there can be zero controversy in a thread telling people everyone is welcome" but naw, sure enough there are weirdos who have a problem.
To the dinosaurs: If you truly thought it was pointless because everyone already felt welcome at Ibrox you would shrug and move on. This video isn't for people who think everything is alright, it's for people of other races/sexualities/religions who have been taken in by sinister media campaigns, showing them it's bullshit. The same people put out by this campaign will be the same people saying the club isn't doing enough to combat negative PR about Rangers in the press.
To the dinosaurs: If you truly thought it was pointless because everyone already felt welcome at Ibrox you would shrug and move on. This video isn't for people who think everything is alright, it's for people of other races/sexualities/religions who have been taken in by sinister media campaigns, showing them it's bullshit. The same people put out by this campaign will be the same people saying the club isn't doing enough to combat negative PR about Rangers in the press.
hammer-time
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Should the club have had involved all the people it did at its launch? Both McNeil & Anas Sarwar are both backers of Call it out & its leaders who are all haters of our club and support and some even have convictions for sectarianism against our support.
Should the club yesterday not also have stated they refuse to allow their own fans to be subjected to sectarianism and displays of hatred from opposing fans?
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Lainey Love
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Wow!
deedle
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No. Basic PR means that you shouldn't have to announce that you welcome everyone because most will then suspect you have a problem in the first place.
What some are saying is that gestures like this will have absolutely zero impact on the way the club is treated in Scotland. In fact, it is likely to be counter-productive because people like Pauline McNeill will not want to be made to look like they're backing Rangers when the support - almost inevitably - is accused of 'sectarianism'. Both her and Frank McAveety support Celtic!
There is absolutely no evidence there is a specific problem concerning Rangers more than other football clubs in terms of the groups the club mentions - apart, of course, from Scotland's religious/political/tribal divide.
If the club thinks it can bracket this alongside all the other categories it lists then it is in for a nasty surprise.
It looks like we still have no-one at the club with the courage or the nous to tackle the so-called 'sectarianism issue' head on.
propaganda
ElBarrileteCosmico
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What if it isn't just PR but to emmm.... you know... actually make some people feel more welcome and at home at Ibrox?
