Rangers ready to swoop for St Mirren’s Vaclav Hladky and complete Ianis Hagi deal

In 1980, sure.

Goalkeepers are now expected to offer much more than just keeping the ball out of the net

A goalkeeper is paid to keep the ball out the net. Just because you see Manuel Neuer pinging a ball about doesn't mean every keeper in the world has to be like that, especially in the Scottish League.
 
Yeah, that would make sense. If there’s no demand, then there’s no way an inferior keeper like Hladky should be ahead of him for our second spot.

Would like to see Gerrard rotate more and stop flogging players within an inch of their usefulness (such as Davis last year) and that includes the goalies.
If McCrorie is 100% going to be our number one within the next 3 years then we should just give him that shirt now.

Our defence is good enough that we don't face that many shots on goal and if he can't at least match McGregor's save rate then he should be released

Hladky is a big downgrade on Foderingham as number 2
 
A goalkeeper is paid to keep the ball out the net. Just because you see Manuel Neuer pinging a ball about doesn't mean every keeper in the world has to be like that, especially in the Scottish League.
Almost every top side has a keeper with good distribution.

Rangers and Celtic are the only big clubs I can immediately think of that don't and that's because Scottish football is backwards.
 
If McCrorie is 100% going to be our number one within the next 3 years then we should just give him that shirt now.

Our defence is good enough that we don't face that many shots on goal and if he can't at least match McGregor's save rate then he should be released

Hladky is a big downgrade on Foderingham as number 2

The problem is Gerrard here though. He’s risk averse and, to be quite honest, doesn’t seem to trust our own youth players.

Flanagan over Paterson at full back at home to St Mirren is all you need to look at. There’s no way he’ll consider McCrorie as a number one while McGregor is here.
 
The problem is Gerrard here though. He’s risk averse and, to be quite honest, doesn’t seem to trust our own youth players.

Flanagan over Paterson at full back at home to St Mirren is all you need to look at. There’s no way he’ll consider McCrorie as a number one while McGregor is here.
Risk averse is an understatement in all honesty, his team selections and substitutions are so safe it's almost laughable.

Barker, Jones Stewart and Ojo over Kai Kennedy or even Middleton is questionable, Polster and Flanagan over Patterson is bordering on unforgivable.

Our club is a shambles when it comes to young players
 
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They do support my argument though, he isn't this godlike shotstopper that means it doesnt matter if he has weaknesses. He has been around or below average this season compared to everyone else in the league
McGregor is completely fine and is the best keeper in the league.

We’ve conceded 19 goals in the league this season.

I can maybe think of 1 McGregor could have done better. They are all daft continuous mistakes caused by our defence.

Goldson and Tav against Hamilton. Katic at fault for two goals against St Johnstone. McGregor could be looking at less than 10 goals if it wasn’t for incompetent defending.
 
McGregor is completely fine and is the best keeper in the league.

We’ve conceded 19 goals in the league this season.

I can maybe think of 1 McGregor could have done better. They are all daft continuous mistakes caused by our defence.

Goldson and Tav against Hamilton. Katic at fault for two goals against St Johnstone. McGregor could be looking at less than 10 goals if it wasn’t for incompetent defending.
Why are so many outperforming him in almost every area if this is the case?
 
Why are so many outperforming him in almost every area if this is the case?
If that’s the case I want you to tell me what goals this year he could have done better at.

I know there will be a few but when I think back they’re always daft mistakes caused by defence.

Tav twice at Tynecastle this season. Tav twice away to Young Boys.

McGregor is the least of our worries. I genuinely want you to point out goals McGregor could’ve performed at better this year. I doubt there are more than 3 or 4.
 
Almost every top side has a keeper with good distribution.

Rangers and Celtic are the only big clubs I can immediately think of that don't and that's because Scottish football is backwards.
With our budget, we will struggle to get someone who has great distribution, as well as the other attributes that are more important.

Fod is probably one of the best British keepers with the ball at his feet, yet he's not a better all-round keeper than McGregor.

Kepa at Chelsea is one of the best in the EPL with the ball at his feet, yet he has one of the worst shot save percentages in the whole of English football.

We need to weigh up the pros and cons as we're not going to find a keeper at McGregor's level who also has the distribution quality of Fod.
 
Fod is probably one of the best British keepers with the ball at his feet, yet he's not a better all-round keeper than McGregor.
I don't agree with this, there was no drop in quality when he came in and we were noticeably better as a team in some aspects
 
If that’s the case I want you to tell me what goals this year he could have done better at.

I know there will be a few but when I think back they’re always daft mistakes caused by defence.

Tav twice at Tynecastle this season. Tav twice away to Young Boys.

McGregor is the least of our worries. I genuinely want you to point out goals McGregor could’ve performed at better this year. I doubt there are more than 3 or 4.
I've already done this, incidentally McGregor shares as much blame as Tavernier at Tynecastle so that is included
 
I don't agree with this, there was no drop in quality when he came in and we were noticeably better as a team in some aspects
He played at home to St Josephs, away to Killie, away to East Fife, away to Ross County and home to Stranraer.

You surely can't be using that group of games as evidence?
 
He played at home vs St Josephs, away to Killie, away to East Fife, away to Ross County and home to Stranraer.

You surely can't be using that group of games as evidence?
I'm using every game he played over the past 2 seasons, we retained possession in defence against Celtic much better than we usually do for example
 
With our budget, we will struggle to get someone who has great distribution, as well as the other attributes that are more important.

Fod is probably one of the best British keepers with the ball at his feet, yet he's not a better all-round keeper than McGregor.

Kepa at Chelsea is one of the best in the EPL with the ball at his feet, yet he has one of the worst shot save percentages in the whole of English football.

We need to weigh up the pros and cons as we're not going to find a keeper at McGregor's level who also has the distribution quality of Fod.
Wittttttt :rolleyes:
 
I canny be the only one who felt when wes was in goals against a decent striker he wasn't going to save a single shot??
 
it's a bit weird isn't it.
Firth is a training keeper by his own admission. He’s there to be a keeper for the drills in training while the other keepers are off preparing for games. He’s not expecting to play at all that’s not his job.

He will be on very low wages, he knows his role and he’s buzzing to be here. No problem for me
 
Hladky impressed me tbh. Anyone know what the situation of the keeper Killie had on loan from Newcastle? (Freddie Woodburn I think) he turned out a good few performances against us from memory
 
I asked who produced and kept us in the tie when the chips were down? The answer was McGregor.

And McGregor was no more culpible for they goals than the Braga keeper was for ours.

We should probably leave it there. You obviously don't like him and are keen to promote this fallacy that the bad outweighs the good despite numerous huge saves at huge moments last season. So we are never going to agree.
No doubt about it.
That poster is just not worth it.
 
No doubt about it.
That poster is just not worth it.
All I've done are point out flaws that everyone agrees are there and used data to disprove claims that he's an ungodly shot stopper.

You can say I'm not worth it but most of these counter arguments have had little to no substance.
 
It’s bheast porn, another fantasy, like admin XX on Monday next week. Liars from cradle to grave.
Bit of an odd rumour for them to circulate. I would be delighted if we made a £26million profit in a few days
 
We need to be looking at a new number 1 to blend in this season and ready for the next. He's a decent keeper, but would be looking for better.
 
There were definitely as many errors at GK as there was everywhere else across the pitch post January and you can't write it off as bad form as easily at that age.

if we can put to one side the issue of "not coming for the ball when it's crossed,
on the basis that it is either Gerrards instruction of 'Let the CB's deal with, I don't want you injured' or McGregor himself having the same thoughts, then....

For me he only made one mistake, Cup against tarts, when he came out and forgot he had feet/is a footballer - all the rest were defensive deflections or dereliction of trust that a GK justifiable has in his defence.
 
Ok, I do remember those goals that were his fault though.

I also see all of the dangerous throws and corners that we concede because of him refusing to leave his line.

People have a blind spot for him because he's staunch and played in a good Rangers team 10 years ago, he isn't very good


That is harsh mate.

Yes, he's maybe not the keeper he was a few years ago and a few errors have crept into his game over the past couple of seasons, but he's still the best keeper in our league and has been outstanding in some of our European games.

He may well be rooted to his line for corners, but then so were Klos and Goram.

He's the best player in his position in our league, so that makes him a big asset imo.
 
Wes could play out from the back but couldn't stop any shot from range bottom left or right. i know which one i'd rather, each to their own opinions however i expect more people to quote you on your comments and say that it just isn't a priority.

if we have a £10m budget for the summer, £4m on Hagi, that leaves £6m. Would you rather 2 x £3m signings for up front and defence, or £3m on a keeper? i know what Gerrard would rather.

Agree.

Putting the post-Jan diaspora aside for a moment (some of us could be debating the origin of that post-55)....

If we got everything else right on the pitch* then McGregor would be more than adequate for our needs as our No 1

*2019/20 or 2020/21 with the same squad!
 
He would be a good signing as a back up as he’s a good keeper, He’s never going to replace McGregor though as he’s not on the same planet in terms of ability.
 
I’d be happy enough with Hladky he will be a decent back up and on less wages than Wes I’m sure. I think it’s important for McCrorie to get a full season at Livi under his belt.
I wouldn’t give him to Livingston, In fact I’d be reluctant to give any of our players to any of the clubs that voted against the independent investigation.
 
Pretty unhappy at the prospect of this, we should be signing a new number 1 rather than someone to sit on the bench

Madness.

Greegs is our number one. A fact known by all. He has at least 1 more year in him. Why burn wages on a bench warmer. Better get in an able deputy like this (an anti niemi type signing) and then next year buy a Klos circa gorum retirement.

Klos just gave an interview saying he only came cause Gorum was leaving. No rangers quality number 1 is gonna come in the play 2nd fiddle for a year!

All the while get McCrorie out on loan to the SPL or and see if the lad can't do a Shagger.
 
A reserve keeper could easily fill that 3rd choice role without missing any games though, would get him used to the dressing room and the different environments in the league too
Firth is on pennies and is here basically to help the other keepers. There’s nothing to moan about with him being here
 
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