sheddensbear
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Have we apologised privately ? A few days ago the usual Rangers haters on FF said we'd apologise to Killin. I offered one a wee Erskine bet that we wouldn't.
Rangers respond to Club 1872 about Rugby Park shambles
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ibroxbound
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Who cares how it looks in the media,they are not exactly fair with us as it is?
The only thing that would be on the front page,if the shelter doesn't hold a certificate,is that Kilmarnock are playing with fans life.
The question that should be asked is about the safety of our disabled support.
Plenty of people care what’s reported. You only have to look at any thread on here about an article to see that. I’m sure you post plenty about it too. Why would they miss the opportunity to use our own statement to ignore the bulk of it and splash negative headlines in the papers? You’re obviously just arguing Black is white for the sake of it.
Cadzow Bear
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It truly is staggering that they continue to push this line in the face of concrete evidence which shows otherwise. Mind you, why not, when they know they will have the full backing of the national broadcaster and the media in general.
Ponientebear
Well-Known Member
Correct, the people running the club want to play Marquis of Queensbury rules with people who have lead shot in their gloves, as you say it’s always too little too late with them.
Yet another case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Cooperfan
Well-Known Member
Exactly. It should be in the public domain.
ibroxbound
Well-Known Member
I'll put it another way then.You would also find others who post about the lack of reaction from the club when we are pilloried in the media.
As for arguing Black is White.Pot and kettle would be my reply to you.
You realise you’re posting on the thread with reaction from the club which rightly states they waited for the debrief and facts to be known?
Arguing black is white right enough.
ibroxbound
Well-Known Member
You're splitting hairs now.
Let's just agree to disagree.
Rangerista
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Pushes all the correct buttons for me. Though I do hope that if any of our fans are identified for their behaviour after our dramatic winning goal, the club will focus on education and personal responsibility of the individuals, rather than the media satisfying route of retribution. An admonishment and contrition is entirely sufficient.
New York Bear
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Hopefully whatever action is taken against any fans is proportionate. There seems a tendency to issue life bans for any transgression. Missing a few games should suffice as a warning.
Yep, a rap on the knuckles and a heavy warning would be sufficient...it was hardly a pitch invasion ffs.
Hibs fans pouring onto the pitch at Hampden in their thousands and assaulting our players was "over exuberance" so a bit of perspective is required.
Getting back to the point, that was good work from Club1872.
The club should be slating Killie in a press release. %^*& agreeing not to make any public statements, they were on the offensive the day after helped by all the haters in the media. Why are we pussy footing about with folk who hate us. Bridges are well and truly burned.
There going to ban a 10 year old kid celebrating a last minute goal???
Would be disgusting if they did.
According to STV News, Kilmarnock are insisting the Rangers version of events is untrue and there was no ticketing failure.
Someone is lying, surely Police Scotland should issue a statement summarising the findings of the post match investigation. Then the media can finally be forced to report fact and the impression of "it's just those evil Rangers fans" can be stopped.
Someone is lying, surely Police Scotland should issue a statement summarising the findings of the post match investigation. Then the media can finally be forced to report fact and the impression of "it's just those evil Rangers fans" can be stopped.
jweebear
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From my memory of the end of the match, the goal and lads on top of the Disabled section. It was covered in some plastic Tarpaulin, probably because it may have been leaking in the rain? That would corroborate the shoddy repairs theory.
I don’t know, was a 10 year old on the park, can a 10 year old he held accountable for their actions? Probably not.
But an adult can and should be.
LOL 133
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Too late Im afraid. Its not headline news anymore and the damage to our reputation is fixed in the public's mind.
Still Im sure Mr Robertson is back from his holiday all nice and relaxed so no problems on that front.
hurlock22
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I know where you're coming from but Kilmarnock will always have leverage with this one as it will be seen as people were in an area they shouldn't have been. So I can see why they didn't go down this road.
Beer Belly Loyal
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It is worth mentioning that the STV News at 6:30 had a report on this. What they said was - "Kilmarnock football club have hit back at Rangers and deny that there was a system-wide failure of their new ticketing system, they claim any suggestion to the contrary is "inaccurate".
No mention of what Rangers said, just your usual mentally challenged infested media giving Kilmarnock 'the last word' so to speak.
STV used to be a fine station for giving out sensible responsible news stories without all the drama and pomp, unfortunately, just like that infested place over at Pacific Quay, it appears they've got a foothold in there too. Our country is becoming a proper shitehole because of this vermin.
No mention of what Rangers said, just your usual mentally challenged infested media giving Kilmarnock 'the last word' so to speak.
STV used to be a fine station for giving out sensible responsible news stories without all the drama and pomp, unfortunately, just like that infested place over at Pacific Quay, it appears they've got a foothold in there too. Our country is becoming a proper shitehole because of this vermin.
indianabluenose
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Rangers have demanded an apology from Kilmarnock for “having pointed the finger of blame” at their fans after crowd trouble at a match.
Rangers fans were accused of breaking through a barrier to enter Kilmarnock’s stadium, Rugby Park, invading the pitch when their team scored the winning goal and damaging the roof of an enclosure for disabled spectators during a Scottish Premiership fixture on August 4.
Phyllis McLeish, the Kilmarnock director, said she was “horrified” by the behaviour and denied claims that a failure in the club’s ticketing system had caused a crush outside. Willie Coffey, the MSP for Kilmarnock & Irvine Valley, described the behaviour of Rangers’ supporters as “outrageous’ and suggested that they “grow up”.
A Rangers spokesman said the comments were “misinformed and misleading”, also criticising the BBC pundits Tom English and Michael Stewart for remarks made in the aftermath.
After taking part in a debrief at Rugby Park on Friday Rangers issued a statement through the fans’ group, Club 1872. It said: “Rangers felt it appropriate and sensible to wait until after the debriefing session before commenting despite many others, including a Kilmarnock director, Phyllis McLeish, pundits and a politician, William Coffey, making misinformed and misleading comments.
“Kilmarnock’s new ticketing system did indeed fail. It has been accepted there was also a failure to deal properly with the problems this caused.
“There was no plan of action to deal with such a situation and it was close to kick-off before someone thought [that] the problem, which had started to cause panic among those Rangers supporters who were being pushed and squeezed together toward the turnstiles, should be brought to the attention of the police. By that time some fans were being crushed and in a state of alarm.”
The statement said that Kilmarnock had admitted to a failure in their ticketing system and that it was “irresponsible” to suggest otherwise. “We would hope to receive a retraction and an apology from Kilmarnock for having pointed the finger of blame at Rangers fans.”
Rangers admitted that the crush beforehand had no bearing on the conduct of fans during the game and said they would work with Police Scotland to identify those who invaded the pitch and damaged the enclosure. “Rangers believes the safety of all fans to be paramount and will not tolerate this kind of behaviour,” the club said.
Kilmarnock said investigations were continuing and expressed disappointment that Rangers had chosen to comment before the process was complete.
They said that a “printing issue” delayed access to the stadium. “This was not a system-wide failure and any suggestion to the contrary is inaccurate. Kilmarnock Football Club does not accept that this delay gave Rangers supporters good reason to break through a gate and enter the ground.
“As Rangers have recognised, problems before the match had no bearing on the incident at the second goal when Rangers supporters entered the field of play and damaged the disabled roof covering to the point of collapse.”
Four men were arrested for alleged breach of the peace offences but these were not related to the pitch invasion.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...an-apology-from-kilmarnock-for-fans-6nmdbrmjv
Rangers fans were accused of breaking through a barrier to enter Kilmarnock’s stadium, Rugby Park, invading the pitch when their team scored the winning goal and damaging the roof of an enclosure for disabled spectators during a Scottish Premiership fixture on August 4.
Phyllis McLeish, the Kilmarnock director, said she was “horrified” by the behaviour and denied claims that a failure in the club’s ticketing system had caused a crush outside. Willie Coffey, the MSP for Kilmarnock & Irvine Valley, described the behaviour of Rangers’ supporters as “outrageous’ and suggested that they “grow up”.
A Rangers spokesman said the comments were “misinformed and misleading”, also criticising the BBC pundits Tom English and Michael Stewart for remarks made in the aftermath.
After taking part in a debrief at Rugby Park on Friday Rangers issued a statement through the fans’ group, Club 1872. It said: “Rangers felt it appropriate and sensible to wait until after the debriefing session before commenting despite many others, including a Kilmarnock director, Phyllis McLeish, pundits and a politician, William Coffey, making misinformed and misleading comments.
“Kilmarnock’s new ticketing system did indeed fail. It has been accepted there was also a failure to deal properly with the problems this caused.
“There was no plan of action to deal with such a situation and it was close to kick-off before someone thought [that] the problem, which had started to cause panic among those Rangers supporters who were being pushed and squeezed together toward the turnstiles, should be brought to the attention of the police. By that time some fans were being crushed and in a state of alarm.”
The statement said that Kilmarnock had admitted to a failure in their ticketing system and that it was “irresponsible” to suggest otherwise. “We would hope to receive a retraction and an apology from Kilmarnock for having pointed the finger of blame at Rangers fans.”
Rangers admitted that the crush beforehand had no bearing on the conduct of fans during the game and said they would work with Police Scotland to identify those who invaded the pitch and damaged the enclosure. “Rangers believes the safety of all fans to be paramount and will not tolerate this kind of behaviour,” the club said.
Kilmarnock said investigations were continuing and expressed disappointment that Rangers had chosen to comment before the process was complete.
They said that a “printing issue” delayed access to the stadium. “This was not a system-wide failure and any suggestion to the contrary is inaccurate. Kilmarnock Football Club does not accept that this delay gave Rangers supporters good reason to break through a gate and enter the ground.
“As Rangers have recognised, problems before the match had no bearing on the incident at the second goal when Rangers supporters entered the field of play and damaged the disabled roof covering to the point of collapse.”
Four men were arrested for alleged breach of the peace offences but these were not related to the pitch invasion.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...an-apology-from-kilmarnock-for-fans-6nmdbrmjv
All covered in big thread here...
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/...rugby-park-shambles.85677/page-4#post-4134587
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/...rugby-park-shambles.85677/page-4#post-4134587
Beer Belly Loyal
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Phyllis Phuckin McLeish - a convicted drunk driver apparently with the voice of reason. Ha! If she hates the Rangers she's worth a listen, never mind the fact the idiot could have devastated a family with her irresponsible behaviour, cunts like her should be in jail.
Shame on the Scottish media for supporting the boot.
Shame on the Scottish media for supporting the boot.
Todd The Prod
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The statement isn’t strongly worded enough imo, that’s evidenced by Killie being happy enough to hit back straight away.
The club themselves should’ve come out at the time and gave Killie both barrels, and then some.
Now we are on the PR back foot, as always.
The club themselves should’ve come out at the time and gave Killie both barrels, and then some.
Now we are on the PR back foot, as always.
Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if Rangers said sorry
ibroxbound
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STV has always been riddled by vermin.From top to bottom.
I think it’s more likely we hit a nerve which is evidenced by killie hitting back. But it’s not about hitting out with sound bites to give people on the internet a giuy, it’s about getting to the facts and ensuring as much is done to prevent it happening again.
mdingwall
Administrator
That's a lie.
mdingwall
Administrator
It's a nonsense.
The Huguenot
Well-Known Member
The only people who will be punished are the bears who celebrated a late winner.
Frankly, I think that the statement is just the latest in a long line of lengthy, statements that do nothing but make the person that wrote it feel good for a wee while.
It will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.
If we have something to say, put a name on it and get the person on the media. Even just the club media. And get people lined up to back you up when you do.
Its not rocket science
It will make absolutely no difference whatsoever.
If we have something to say, put a name on it and get the person on the media. Even just the club media. And get people lined up to back you up when you do.
Its not rocket science
No Money No Problems
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He said, she said a d we are made out to be liars.
The club can't let this drop and should be demanding accountability and a public apology from Kilmarnock. The narrative will be we were the bad guys and poor wee Killie.
I fucking hate them now and relegation would be too good for them.
The club can't let this drop and should be demanding accountability and a public apology from Kilmarnock. The narrative will be we were the bad guys and poor wee Killie.
I fucking hate them now and relegation would be too good for them.
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Killie are being judicious with the truth here and playing with words. It’s almost in Charles Green territory. Rangers say there was ‘a failure of the Kilmarnock ticketing system’. Killie respond by saying there was ‘no system-wide failure’. Two different things. Rangers haven’t said there was a ‘system-wide failure’. A system-wide failure would have seen similar problems in all stands at Rugby Park and not just at the Rangers end.
Jelle1880
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Because Club1872 seems now like the official mouth piece for club correspondence.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
The problem is there’s a lot of people who absolutely demand we say something or they’ll be demanding people lose their jobs.
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Surely reasonable to assume that the fans group have been in correspondence with the Club, providing witness accounts etc, and the Club, accordingly, have responded to the fans group? Why wouldn’t they?
Doesn’t mean the Club cannot provide a further press release for wider dissemination - and they may yet do so once any investigation has finally concluded.
ibroxbound
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Actually it's the official mouthpiece for club1872 that issues statements.
