Sutton_Blows_goats
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Why do Rangers need 1872 to do the talking here. Both barrels should come out.
It's all well and good Kilmarnock accepting responsibility after the fact but when the media spotlight was shining all fingers were pointing towards our fans. Regardless of this admission, due to the immediate reaction to the incident, we will be held responsible for this in the public eye going forward.
I appreciate that RFC are updating C1872 on the findings of the meeting but this doesn't go far enough to set the public record straight in my opinion.
Tinfoil hat on here, but it doesn't sit right with me that the club want to identify and punish fans for over exuberance celebrating a last minute winner. Perhaps whataboutery from me,
Just seen the Sun are running with it. Let's see how it pans outIt's already being picked up by the mainstream media.
When it comes to Rangers I struggle to control my emotions tbh. I'm not condoning jumping the boards but it happens everywhere. Why do we need to be seen as the leading club to eradicate it?It's getting far too common, and like the Hibs one at the cup final, I'm quite sure it was a planned action rather than something spontaneous.. No-one should be on the field except those direct;ly involved in the game. And if you can't control your emotions to the extent that you can't stop yourself going onto a football field, I'd suggest you think seriously about going to a match.
Just seen the Sun are running with it. Let's see how it pans out
Following a debriefing meeting at Rugby Park at the end of last week, Rangers is happy to provide an update to supporters, who have been calling for clarification on issues arising from the match against Kilmarnock at Rugby Park on Sunday, August 4.
I would have expected a comment on the disabled area re its safety certificate.this part, am agreeing at same time but we saw 2 tier communication when it came to pitch invasions...its not like the bears ran up field ( hibs did ) to gloat ....just happy fans that we got the win and over celebrated it. Hardly worth the man hunt IMO
Even the disabled sector, no one should be standing on it but it was not intentional to break it or fall through it .
The people we are up against are fighting dirty. That allows them to set the narrative and when we do speak it is easily ignored. Playing by egalitarian rules, no matter how laudable, is getting us nowhere. Plus this not coming through the official website is piss poor. Like the empty statements after the cup final, this will get us nowhere. Too little too late.Yet the usual suspects were on blaming the Board, Stewart Robertson and anyone else who took their fancy, for having the audacity to wait until the debriefing was completed.
The obsession with some folk on here demanding statements, irrespective of enquiry timescales, is pretty weird.
We await a full apology from the BBC scumbags who mocked the fact that our fans were being crushed.
Just seen the Sun are running with it. Let's see how it pans out
*Waits for snidey reply from Tom English*
I appreciate where you're coming from but do you really want us to act in the manner Hibs and Celtic do? We're,or we should be better than that.Tinfoil hat on here, but it doesn't sit right with me that the club want to identify and punish fans for over exuberance celebrating a last minute winner. Perhaps whataboutery from me, but did the mentally challengeds do that when they jumped on the disabled hut up at pittodrie, or Hivs at the cup final? Happy with the rest of the statement
Agree 100%Rangers are working with Police Scotland to identify and trace those who crossed the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
This part gets to me, Rangers are assisting PS with their hunt for bears for wild last minute goal celebrations , when others in Scotland did the same and given somewhat different terms for it and .
Not keen on that part at all......but other than that its a good statement regarding Killies failure and usual pundit lies
Kilmarnock’s new ticketing system did indeed fail despite suggestions to the contrary. It has been accepted there was also a failure to deal properly with the problems this caused. There was no recognisable plan of action to deal with such a situation and it was very close to kick off before someone thought the problem, which had started to cause panic among those Rangers supporters, who were being pushed and squeezed together toward the turnstiles, should be brought to the attention of the police
It's a statement from the club, released via Club1872But it’s c1872, not Rangers FC. Therefore in house.
This should be a highly public response IMO
An apology? They're more likely to double down on their position.We await a full apology from the BBC scumbags who mocked the fact that our fans were being crushed.
They should be demanding an apology and demanding to see the report from East Ayrshire health and safety inspectors who stated Killie's ground had major and urgent issues including the disabled section.Email just come through from Club 1872. Rangers have gone for Phyllis McLeish and English and Stewart over the lies about our fans being crushed at Rugby Park.
"Dear Member,
Club 1872 has been in dialogue with Rangers since the events at Rugby Park on Sunday, 4th August which saw hundreds of Rangers supporters placed in a dangerous situation whilst attempting to enter the ground. Following a debrief meeting last Friday, Club 1872 is pleased to share a response from Rangers to enquiries from Club 1872 regarding the events that day.
We know that Rangers remain concerned about safety at Rugby Park and we have been assured that they will continue to liaise with Police Scotland, Kilmarnock FC and East Ayrshire Council ahead of future visits.
"Following a debriefing meeting at Rugby Park at the end of last week, Rangers is happy to provide an update to supporters, who have been calling for clarification on issues arising from the match against Kilmarnock at Rugby Park on Sunday, August 4.
Rangers felt it appropriate and sensible to wait until after the post-match debriefing session before commenting despite many others, including a Kilmarnock director, Phyllis McLeish, pundits and a politician, William Coffey, making misinformed as well as misleading comments.
However, now that the events of last Sunday have been fully analysed by all parties, we can offer a reasoned and fact-based insight into what happened.
Kilmarnock’s new ticketing system did indeed fail despite suggestions to the contrary. It has been accepted there was also a failure to deal properly with the problems this caused. There was no recognisable plan of action to deal with such a situation and it was very close to kick off before someone thought the problem, which had started to cause panic among those Rangers supporters, who were being pushed and squeezed together toward the turnstiles, should be brought to the attention of the police. By that time some Rangers fans were being crushed and in a state of alarm, and there are many testimonies which bear that out.
Kilmarnock has accepted their ticketing system failed (and that there had been problems with it at the game against Connahs Quay Nomads) despite one of their directors promoting the irresponsible notion there had been no operational problems. We would hope to receive a retraction and an apology from Kilmarnock for having pointed the finger of blame at Rangers fans for the issues which arose ahead of kick off. Those pundits, particularly two BBC Scotland contributors, Michael Stewart and Tom English, who made flippant and insulting comments without knowing the facts of what actually happened, might also wish to reconsider their comments and apologise now that the debriefing has revealed that a ticketing failure, and not the impatience of Rangers fans, caused the problem before the kick off on Sunday.
Mr Coffey might also wish to reconsider his own words.
No one at the debriefing disputed the view that there would not have been congestion and supporters would have gained admission smoothly and safely had the system operated properly. This view is supported by Police Scotland.
Rangers believe it was cthe orrect procedure to wait until after the debriefing, called by East Ayrshire Council’s legal services department, who issue the safety certificate for Rugby Park, before commenting.
Although there has been an attempt to roll everything that happened at Rugby Park into one issue it is important to retain a sense of perspective and balance. The congestion before the match had no bearing on what happened at the end of the game when Rangers fans went on to the pitch to celebrate a late winning goal. Their presence on the pitch cannot be condoned and Rangers are working with Police Scotland to identify and trace those who crossed the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
The same applies to the handful of fans who jumped on to the roof of the enclosure reserved for disabled supporters causing that covering to collapse. Their behaviour endangered the safety of their fellow fans and we are fortunate no one was badly hurt. Those fans will also be dealt with appropriately as soon as they are identified.
Rangers believes the safety of all fans to be paramount and will not tolerate this kind of behaviour whether away or at home."
Club 1872"
SPOT ONIt’s a good statement, however, I would prefer something that said -
Though Rangers cannot condone supporters entering the field of play we recognise that this is a growing trend at spfl matches. We take comfort from the fact that this was almost entirely youthful exuberance to celebrate our late winner.
It was clearly foolish of supporters to climb onto the disabled area roof putting themselves and others supporters at risk. Again this was from the film accidental damage rather than vandalism.
We do notice that similar behaviour has occurred at matches involving other clubs and agree it must now stop.
Hopefully a sensible approach can be taken to mentoring these young fans on their behaviour, they are after all the future lifeblood of our game
Is that not what they’ve done or is it because they never said the exact words you wanted them to?They should be demanding an apology and demanding to see the report from East Ayrshire health and safety inspectors who stated Killie's ground had major and urgent issues including the disabled section.
We should also be demanding apologies from Dumb and dumber aka Stewart & English.
As a club we are way to nice
Rangers are working with Police Scotland to identify and trace those who crossed the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
This part gets to me, Rangers are assisting PS with their hunt for bears for wild last minute goal celebrations , when others in Scotland did the same and given somewhat different terms for it and .
Not keen on that part at all......but other than that its a good statement regarding Killies failure and usual pundit lies
To Club 1872 members yes, but what about the rest of the Rangers support?It's a statement from the club, released via Club1872
Cringe.It’s a good statement, however, I would prefer something that said -
Though Rangers cannot condone supporters entering the field of play we recognise that this is a growing trend at spfl matches. We take comfort from the fact that this was almost entirely youthful exuberance to celebrate our late winner.
It was clearly foolish of supporters to climb onto the disabled area roof putting themselves and others supporters at risk. Again this was from the film accidental damage rather than vandalism.
We do notice that similar behaviour has occurred at matches involving other clubs and agree it must now stop.
Hopefully a sensible approach can be taken to mentoring these young fans on their behaviour, they are after all the future lifeblood of our game
I couldn't give two hoots what others in Scotland do.Rangers are working with Police Scotland to identify and trace those who crossed the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
This part gets to me, Rangers are assisting PS with their hunt for bears for wild last minute goal celebrations , when others in Scotland did the same and given somewhat different terms for it and .
Not keen on that part at all......but other than that its a good statement regarding Killies failure and usual pundit lies
It'll be in the MSM within 24 hrs.To Club 1872 members yes, but what about the rest of the Rangers support?
It's the right thing to do - I understand that passion sometimes takes over but this kind of behaviour is not only not needed it is damaging to the club. People need to think before they act at the games and if they can't do that then simply they face the consequences of their actions. People should not have been on the field and people should not have been jumping around on the disabled shed - that is regardless of what is going on.Rangers are working with Police Scotland to identify and trace those who crossed the line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
This part gets to me, Rangers are assisting PS with their hunt for bears for wild last minute goal celebrations , when others in Scotland did the same and given somewhat different terms for it and .
Not keen on that part at all......but other than that its a good statement regarding Killies failure and usual pundit lies
they might but they wontThose pundits, particularly two BBC Scotland contributors, Michael Stewart and Tom English, who made flippant and insulting comments without knowing the facts of what actually happened, might also wish to reconsider their comments and apologise now that the debriefing has revealed that a ticketing failure, and not the impatience of Rangers fans, caused the problem before the kick off on Sunday.
rooting out bears who enjoyed gaining the first 3 points of the season , blimey your a fun person to be aroundI couldn't give two hoots what others in Scotland do.
Is it asking too much to go bananas within the stands?
I'm beginning to wonder if these plebs are just wanting to see themselves on the telly.
I'm all for rooting them out.
Getting our own house in order is all that matters to me.
Cringe.
Tinfoil hat on here, but it doesn't sit right with me that the club want to identify and punish fans for over exuberance celebrating a last minute winner. Perhaps whataboutery from me, but did the mentally challengeds do that when they jumped on the disabled hut up at pittodrie, or Hivs at the cup final? Happy with the rest of the statement
Is that not what they’ve done or is it because they never said the exact words you wanted them to?
its stinks of special treatmentExactly, are Aberdeen working with the police to track down their fans who entered the pitch following their last minute winner against Hearts or are we getting treated to a different standard yet again?
rooting out bears who enjoyed gaining the first 3 points of the season , blimey your a fun person to be around
am sure they feel bad for over celebrating .................................................................3500 enjoyed themselves without making a prick of themselves.
Know Celtic aintExactly, are Aberdeen working with the police to track down their fans who entered the pitch following their last minute winner against Hearts or are we getting treated to a different standard yet again?
Was tongue firmly in one's cheek when sending that one Pal?!?!?!Balanced and fair, I await several public apologies