Official Rangers Statement on Bus Incident

[petric]

Ok I'll bite.

The Asian culture of farming and eating dogs was commonplace because it was cheaper than rearing cattle. Over the years this has faded away as the area became more wealthy. To sing that an Asian person "ate your dog" could be seen as suggesting that they are so poor/backward that they can't afford proper food and therefore resorted to stealing and eating your dog.

Its clearly racist and highly offensive to Asians.

I think some folk are just genuinely not aware of what racism is. They think some things are racist but others aren’t. It’s as if they pick and choose what to be offended by.

I even had a poster on page 20 tell me that what I frequently encounter up here isn’t racism. Even though I explained in depth what I have come across.

I guess they are part of the problem, too (whether they realise it, it not).

Such a shame.

 

[Too_The_Moon_Baby]

damn

 

[TCWNS1872]

I think some folk are just genuinely not aware of what racism is. They think some things are racist but others aren’t. It’s as if they pick and choose what to be offended by.

I even had a poster on page 20 tell me that what I frequently encounter up here isn’t racism. Even though I explained in depth what I have come across.

I guess they are part of the problem, too (whether they realise it, it not).

Such a shame.

The mindset is that casual racism is permissible. Akin to:

‘what are you doing for dinner?
‘I’m gettin’ a chinky’.

 

[petric]

The mindset is that casual racism is permissible. Akin to:

‘what are you doing for dinner?
‘I’m gettin’ a chinky’.

To be fair, the poster confirmed that he wasn’t aware some things were classed as racism. I do hope he’s not made racist remarks in the past (entirely, plausible when he’s confirming he doesn’t know what racism is).

Maybe the lads on the bus singing that song (not the ones making the eye gestures) are of the same mind-set and didn’t class certain things as racist (as wrong as they are).

Then again, maybe they did know it was racist and proceeded anyway. Who, knows? That’s why Rangers had to act the way in which they did.

I wouldn’t want to see everyone on here who indulged in anti-English racism during the Euros banned from Ibrox for life. I genuinely don’t believe all of these folk are racist.

 

[CooperBlue]

There was a thread in the Lounge last week, asking if the 40+ generation wished they had mobile phones back in their younger years.
What has happened here is another reason to think 'thank fcuk there wasn't' given some of what went on, on some buses but then again, Bears weren't eager to see other Bears hung out to dry over 1 stupid, childish incident.
The wank who filmed it needs a word in his ear though.

Childish incident? Who gives a fcuk if they’re a bear or not, belittling their racist behaviour is part of the problem.

Thank fk the the club, and most supporters, can see it for what it is.

 

[Chester Loyal]

Ok I'll bite.

The Asian culture of farming and eating dogs was commonplace because it was cheaper than rearing cattle. Over the years this has faded away as the area became more wealthy. To sing that an Asian person "ate your dog" could be seen as suggesting that they are so poor/backward that they can't afford proper food and therefore resorted to stealing and eating your dog.

Its clearly racist and highly offensive to Asians.

Opposition fans will regularly sing songs such as “in your Glasgow slums” and “feed the weegies, let them know it’s Christmas time”.

Can we now call them racist due to them suggesting we’re so poor we can’t afford proper food?

 

[Mozza]

The mindset is that casual racism is permissible. Akin to:

‘what are you doing for dinner?
‘I’m gettin’ a chinky’.

There is a spectrum though and people seem to have lost sight of that. A comment like that is of a totally different order to whispering in someone’s ear “you’re a fucking monkey, you know you are.” The subject is such a social taboo that it’s very difficult to have honest conversations about it.

 

[calderbear]

Due to Covid and reduced ticket allocations RSC's are already struggling to survive..
Imbecilic behaviour like this, especially when it is shared on social media shall be their death knell.

 

[Sasa5Papac]

Opposition fans will regularly sing songs such as “in your Glasgow slums” and “feed the weegies, let them know it’s Christmas time”.

Can we now call them racist due to them suggesting we’re so poor we can’t afford proper food?

Yes. There seems to be this perception that you can't be racist against white, Scottish, British folk. There's a stated case where a fella from Liverpool was racially abused by being called a scouse lady's front bottom or similar.

If that happens to you and it bothers you then calls the cops and phone the papers. If it doesnt bother then dont.

 

[BL-11]

Ok I'll bite.

The Asian culture of farming and eating dogs was commonplace because it was cheaper than rearing cattle. Over the years this has faded away as the area became more wealthy. To sing that an Asian person "ate your dog" could be seen as suggesting that they are so poor/backward that they can't afford proper food and therefore resorted to stealing and eating your dog.

Its clearly racist and highly offensive to Asians.

It's no more offensive than fans from Aberdeen or Edinburgh singing about Glaswegians eating rats as a treat because we live in slums.

Or an Englishman saying I eat deep-fried Mars bars because I'm a "sweaty".

I am an adult, takes more than words to hurt me.

 

[Sasa5Papac]

It's no more offensive than fans from Aberdeen or Edinburgh singing about Glaswegians eating rats as a treat because we live in slums.

Or an Englishman saying I eat deep-fried Mars bars because I'm a "sweaty".

I am an adult, takes more than words to hurt me.

Fair play. I can understand why Kyogo would feel differently this week though. If you went to play in Japan and a month in folk were mocking your appearance and your presumed poor Glaswegian roots you might feel differently about it.

 

[TCWNS1872]

To be fair, the poster confirmed that he wasn’t aware some things were classed as racism. I do hope he’s not made racist remarks in the past (entirely, plausible when he’s confirming he doesn’t know what racism is).

Maybe the lads on the bus singing that song (not the ones making the eye gestures) are of the same mind-set and didn’t class certain things as racist (as wrong as they are).

Then again, maybe they did know it was racist and proceeded anyway. Who, knows? That’s why Rangers had to act the way in which they did.

I wouldn’t want to see everyone on here who indulged in anti-English racism during the Euros banned from Ibrox for life. I genuinely don’t believe all of these folk are racist.

This is the problem isn’t it. What’s permissible and what isn’t. There is no longer the leeway afforded to the ordinary person of casually using a throwaway line.

Strict liability, I’m afraid, is here to stay. As the years go by, a happy medium is becoming less and less acceptable, everything is more polarised - black and white if you will. Shades of grey are too much of a get out.

I just hope this rush to becoming more and more entrenched in ideological viewpoints doesn’t comeback to haunt us (in a general societal sense).

Like you, I believe that many people who succumb to the odd moment of casual misuse of language aren’t inherently racist. The problem is that there are many who hide behind this that are in fact racist and unashamedly so.

 

[JFK-1]

Banning the RSC is hopefully a stern enough lesson to force others to clean up their act too.

Presumably that's the intent of it. If anything like this kicks off on your bus and you don't step in to stop it there will be repercussions. And I feel after what happened to Kamara the club absolutely had to come down hard on the likes of this.

 

[The Barrel]

I think it’s something to do with the English part.

That's "different" due to Boris, Waste Monster etc (but is actually just old fashioned hatred of the English).

 

[petric]

And never mentioned by our self righteous Nats who are plentiful on this thread....

Absolutely.

I get the impression that some folk turn a blind eye to certain forms of racism.

But are hugely affected by other types of racism.

Bizarre.

 

[Saltcoats_Loyal]

So can we sing sheep shagging bastards now ? Or will that hurt feelings

 

[The Barrel]

You get subjected to sectarian abuse everyday? Where?

By the ruling elite: Holyrood, media, chattering class 'opinion formers' etc etc

 

[The Barrel]

Yahoos have hijacked it, surprisingly!!

A fair few who are never, ever bears in the puff....no chance.

 

[The Barrel]

I’ll exist happily in the knowledge that the club want fans like me at Ibrox.

They don’t want people like you. How does it feel that your own club don’t want you?

I think you'll be rattling around a fairy empty stadium if yiou get your way....

 

[The Barrel]

Will Tav go and give and give him a tap on the shoulder and ask him if he is ok during the warm up at the weekend?

You have to hope we don't engage with them in any way beyond that stipulated by the rules, i.e. captains hand shake etc

 

[Terry Monroe 8&1/4]

Wonder what will happen on buses now . Will any sort of non rangers songs be gone . Super rangers , billy boys etc . Or will the convenyer just warm people about filming . Would be sad if buses just become quiet non singing things because people are scared of a similar outcome . Honestly think the future is official away buses organised by rangers which will ban alcohol and singing will be non existent

Alcohol has been banned on busses going to football and any sporting events, for as well over 30 years now

 

[Twenty Mayfair]

The amount of people just blindly defending the racists on here or is actually concerning.

Probably the same people outraged when Kamara got abused or the same people who post the same picture of that guy making the monkey face at Diouf. Even talk about the bananas being thrown at Mark Walters.

You want to get rid of racism when it suits you. Its time now to hold up our hands and admit theres a problem, no matter how big or small. Minority or majority. It needs to be addressed.

Its embarrassing and will forever hold us back.

 

[Saltcoats_Loyal]

I think you'll be rattling around a fairy empty stadium if yiou get your way....

He wouldn’t know how to get there I wouldn’t imagine mate

 

[BL-11]

Fair play. I can understand why Kyogo would feel differently this week though. If you went to play in Japan and a month in folk were mocking your appearance and your presumed poor Glaswegian roots you might feel differently about it.

I wouldn't mate.

 

[Riccles]

Victims of racism demand zero tolerance.

The Club, by their actions, appear to agree.

And so should we.

 

[The Barrel]

I know the eye pulling was for sure racist because it is making fun of a racial feature.

But I haven't heard a proper explanation about how the chant about eating dog is racist, dog meat is available in many restaurants in Japan it is making fun of a cultural practice.

Sounds shocking & upsetting, but dog meat can be found in Chinese & Korean restaurants in Japan

Their customers include the Japanese too.

mothership.sg

If a Scottish player went to Japan and fans there sung a song mocking the player for eating haggis would that be racist?

The dog chant might be racist, but I haven't read a proper explanation of why it is racist.

It's not. But the eye thing is....albeit they probably know nothing about Japan, or even where it is on a map. The lads need education, and aspiration and not lifetime bans.

 

[Coopers left foot.]

Opposition fans will regularly sing songs such as “in your Glasgow slums” and “feed the weegies, let them know it’s Christmas time”.

Can we now call them racist due to them suggesting we’re so poor we can’t afford proper food?

Given we aren't a race, I'd say no.

 

[The Barrel]

Ok I'll bite.

The Asian culture of farming and eating dogs was commonplace because it was cheaper than rearing cattle. Over the years this has faded away as the area became more wealthy. To sing that an Asian person "ate your dog" could be seen as suggesting that they are so poor/backward that they can't afford proper food and therefore resorted to stealing and eating your dog.

Its clearly racist and highly offensive to Asians.

That's not racism. That's like calling a perosn in your class at school a tramp or gypo if they had old clothes or bad glasses etc. It is 'classist' if anything.

 

[The Barrel]

There is a spectrum though and people seem to have lost sight of that. A comment like that is of a totally different order to whispering in someone’s ear “you’re a fucking monkey, you know you are.” The subject is such a social taboo that it’s very difficult to have honest conversations about it.

This ^^^

Far too many of our have been conflating this incident and actual racism like Kudela - who was sober, a professional, and knew exactly what he was doing and saying.

 

[Sasa5Papac]

That's not racism. That's like calling a perosn in your class at school a tramp or gypo if they had old clothes or bad glasses etc. It is 'classist' if anything.

If you called someone a gypo you would 100% get done for a racial if they phoned the polis

 

[The Barrel]

He wouldn’t know how to get there I wouldn’t imagine mate

Don't want a ban but I think you might be right.

 

[The Barrel]

If you called someone a gypo you would 100% get done for a racial if they phoned the polis

Not when I was at school.....the 'poor kids' always got it and still do now. That's not racism and I rather think you know it isn't. Guy in our class who got pelters (wrongly of course) was called John and had red hair!!

 

[BL-11]

The amount of people just blindly defending the racists on here or is actually concerning.

Probably the same people outraged when Kamara got abused or the same people who post the same picture of that guy making the monkey face at Diouf. Even talk about the bananas being thrown at Mark Walters.

You want to get rid of racism when it suits you. Its time now to hold up our hands and admit theres a problem, no matter how big or small. Minority or majority. It needs to be addressed.

Its embarrassing and will forever hold us back.

The question needs to be asked, how far are we willing to go to not be offensive to anyone.

It's not a football question but as a society as a whole?

Do you have a right, as an individual, to be offensive, to whomever you choose to be offensive to?

 

[Sasa5Papac]

Not when I was at school.....the 'poor kids' always got it and still do now. That's not racism and I rather think you know it isn't. Guy in our class who got pelters (wrongly of course) was called John and had red hair!!

It may have passed you by but things have moved on quite a bit from when we are at school. "Gypo" is widely recognised as a derogatory term for Gypsy Travellers who are covered as a race by law.

GYPO | What Does GYPO Mean?

GYPO usually means 'Gypsy.' In the Pacific Northwest, GYPO is also used to refer to independent loggers. This page explains how GYPO is used on messaging apps such as Snapchat, Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook, X (Twitter), and TikTok.

www.cyberdefinitions.com

Gypsies and Travellers - race discrimination

Explains how Gypsies and Travellers are protected by race discrimination law, according to the Equality Act 2010.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk

 

[Terry Monroe 8&1/4]

Could well be but I reckon it’ll be a few years minimum with a lot of hoops to jump through

Speculation on my part but how do RSCs police games if non-members are travelling on their buses etc?

The individuals deserve their ban and I don’t have any sympathy for racists.

Tell them the rules before the bus leaves and they will be asked to get off if they don't abide by the rules

 

[CooperBlue]

This ^^^

Far too many of our have been conflating this incident and actual racism like Kudela - who was sober, a professional, and knew exactly what he was doing and saying.

“actual racism” just get to fcuk with that shite, again making excuses because alcohol may have been consumed.

 

[The Barrel]

“actual racism” just get to fcuk with that shite, again making excuses because alcohol may have been consumed.

Saying "I'm going for a chinky" is NOT the same as what Kudela did and you are wasting adult time here by pretending that it it. Life DOES still have shades of grey, and 'graduated slopes'....it is not as some of you young people think an instant and savage destruction of what you percieve to ;bad thinking'...

 

[TCWNS1872]

Fair play. I can understand why Kyogo would feel differently this week though. If you went to play in Japan and a month in folk were mocking your appearance and your presumed poor Glaswegian roots you might feel differently about it.

Will he though? Being oblivious to juvenile behaviour on a supporters bus is different to being directly abused by customers at your place of work. Will he feel slighted now that he has effectively been used as a political pawn by being portrayed as a victim of such societal injustice? Maybe. Maybe not. He won’t be any less fired up next Sunday, put it that way.

What is really sad in all of this is the fact that the daftarses engaging in the Jim Davidsonesque poking fun at ‘Chalky’ have been brought up in an era to fully know that this playground humour is wrong on so many levels. The other members of the WRSC and by extension the wider Rangers fanbase, have just been unfortunate collateral damage arising from their booze fuelled japery.

I’m resigned to the fact that this won’t be the last time that Rangers supporters take a Winchester to their own feet.

 

[Twenty Mayfair]

The question needs to be asked, how far are we willing to go to not be offensive to anyone.

It's not a football question but as a society as a whole?

Do you have a right, as an individual, to be offensive, to whomever you choose to be offensive to?

You can be offensive without being racist.

Not once did I say we need to stop being offensive.

 

[Sasa5Papac]

Man you are f***ing painful. If you're not a bot how can you be arsed being so ludicrously right on? It must suck all joy out of life.

Im just not interested in abusing folk mate

 

[Sasa5Papac]

Will he though? Being oblivious to juvenile behaviour on a supporters bus is different to being directly abused by customers at your place of work. Will he feel slighted now that he has effectively been used as a political pawn by being portrayed as a victim of such societal injustice? Maybe. Maybe not. He won’t be any less fired up next Sunday, put it that way.

What is really sad in all of this is the fact that the daftarses engaging in the Jim Davidsonesque poking fun at ‘Chalky’ have been brought up in an era to fully know that this playground humour is wrong on so many levels. The other members of the WRSC and by extension the wider Rangers fanbase, have just been unfortunate collateral damage arising from their booze fuelled japery.

I’m resigned to the fact that this won’t be the last time that Rangers supporters take a Winchester to their own feet.

Don't disagree with that. He will definately be fired up for Sunday you'd imagine

 

[The Barrel]

Im just not interested in abusing folk mate

But you have files and links to each and every case you find upsetting.

I will reiterate: referrring to someone as being a low class tramp type is NOT racist. It may be unsavoury, but it's not racist.

 

[bear_with_me]

Has even made the South China Morning Post. Well done everyone involved. Taking the Rangers name right across the globe.

 

[TCWNS1872]

Has even made the South China Morning Post. Well done everyone involved. Taking the Rangers name right across the globe.

Jesus. Really?

 

[AppleBear]

I think you'll be rattling around a fairy empty stadium if yiou get your way....

Again, basically labelling the entire support as bigots. Are our enemies correct?

How sad.

 

[Johnny Quid]

I read page one, then skipped to the last.

People arguing that it's not racist. Tragic but I'm not surprised.

 

[Sasa5Papac]

But you have files and links to each and every case you find upsetting.

I will reiterate: referrring to someone as being a low class tramp type is NOT racist. It may be unsavoury, but it's not racist.

You can think its not all you like. The law says differently. Lets just leave it there.

 

[CooperBlue]

Saying "I'm going for a chinky" is NOT the same as what Kudela did and you are wasting adult time here by pretending that it it. Life DOES still have shades of grey, and 'graduated slopes'....it is not as some of you young people think an instant and savage destruction of what you percieve to ;bad thinking'...

Your post stated “this incident” as not actual racism, do keep up auld yin.

On your own personal colour palette of grey, how close would what Kudela said and pulling your eyes wider to mock an Asian be? Comparable or miles apart?

 

[The Barrel]

Again, basically labelling the entire support as bigots. Are our enemies correct?

How sad.

We don't agree with you on what 'bigotry' covers. How sad.

 

[The Barrel]

Your post stated “this incident” as not actual racist, do keep up auld yin.

On your own personal colour palette of grey, how close would what Kudela said and pulling your eyes wider to mock an Asian be? Comparable or miles apart?

Far apart....drunk ned on bus v professional footballer mid-game. One can't pick Japan out on a map, one has used forethought and actually planned the move.