Realistically how far can we go in Europe these days?

PunkScott

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I didn't believe in 2007/8...and we got there.

Nobody is thinking about Broadfoot, Faye, Dailly, Adam, McCulloch in hindsight and thinking "these guys could be legends"
 

RFC#1Scotty

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Yes, it's no problem, Rangers are more than capable of going far, so long as Rangers show up strongly in defence and hit teams on the counter, Rangers are more than capable. We'll soon be in the Champions League group stages if we win the league as well.
 

Janeybear

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I think making the group stages is a success for us where are sit currently, getting though into the knockout stages however is certainly not beyond us. I don’t agree with others that The co-efficient will effect us that much.. our ranking is based more on where we’ve been on the last 6 years and not where we are as a team right now.... I’d fancy our chances against most of the team who sit well above us in UEFa’s rankings...

Let’s get past the Poles and see where it takes us!
 

bilkobear

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Maybe no further than the next fortnight.
We will certainly find out soon enough.

However, we are in it to win it.
Of course, that is a huge aspiration, but nonetheless, I would be disgusted if our players held the same opinions of many in our support regarding Europe.
Steven Gerrard came to Rangers because he knew that he would have a chance of competing with good level clubs around the continent, you can easily see that this gets his football juices flowing.

Liverpool without Europe just isn't Liverpool.
Well guys and gals, when I was a lad, we had reached a European final before Liverpool had even got going, indeed we had hit three finals with a victory before they even had their first bauble.
In my opinion Rangers without Europe simply isn't Rangers.
That is why Steven Gerrard gets it!

Anyone who doesn't understand the current project better get up to speed.
Steven Gerrard isn't here because Rangers are in touching distance of league number 55, that will just be a means to an end, he is here to take his managerial ability and his ambitions to the very heights of the game, and for Mr Gerrard that height is found in competition in Europe.

That said, ...let's get that title won on our way.
 

MearnsUnionist

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Looking at the financial gulf between us and the big leagues in Europe these days it makes achieving any inroads into the later stages of European football a very tall ask for us.

However comparing the squad with last year we have improved massively to the point where I believe we could give anyone in Europe a game on our day. Last season's squad had guys like Ejaria, Coulibaly, Middleton, Lafferty, Grezda & even Dorrans featuring in the games against Spartak Moscow and Villarreal - where we more than managed to hold our own.

That Villarreal team we drew with twice last season managed to reach the last 8 of the competition. Is it possible that with a few big performances and a decent draw we could do the same?

Is making a run into the latter stages of the Europa League more within in our reach than we think?

The target is making the group stages.

After that all that matters is the league and Gerrard knows that.
 

HenningBerg

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Making the Groups two years in a row from the first qualifying round would be an incredible achievement.

But we can't look past Legia. Going to be very tough games.
Legia is indeed massive , the gaffer himself has said we are in a 50/50 game here .

Agreed would be massive to make it again .

Moving forward to answer the OP - if we manage to finally normalise our retail, get the club functioning the way it can on all fronts , there is no reason why we can’t aim for getting out of a group stage as a realistic target in the not too distant future . It’s difficult with seedlings but make Ibrox a fortress and three home wins in the group virtually guarantees second spot .

For now though qualification is the grail .
 

Kylegib

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The job Gerrard has done already is amazing. We reached the group stages from the first qualifying round and were very unlucky not to go further in the competition. As manager he's had 20 European ties and only lost 2 that is some achievement when you consider where we were before he took over. There is no team in the Europa league that we should fear however there are plenty of teams who will not want to be drawn against us.
 

Ross_

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Making the group stages would do me fine.

anything more than that would be a BIG bonus.
 

Ter

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Group stage is achievable but really depends on the draw.

I think we can be more than a match for anyone if we play well so who knows what could happen.

We could get drawn in a group with CSKA Moscow, APOEL and Red Star this year so I’d fancy us to win that.

Equally we could get Sevilla, Frankfurt and Wolves!
 

Punt13

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It really comes down to fine margins, we could have won or lost at Villareal with late chances at either end, we were a linesman's flag and a Grezda miss from winning both games against Spartak.

If we get into the group stages our home form must improve to qualify further.
 

ArnoldRimmer

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If Leicester can win the EPL over the course of a full season, then winning the Europa is achievable.

Highly unlikely, sure, but it isn't impossible. Grit and determination, luck of the draw etc can go a long way.

Oh and before anyone says it, no, I don't think we're going to win it this year. Getting into the group's is a huge bonus and anything beyond that is amazing given where we've come from.
 

joseph

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The financial gulf between Rangers and some of the others is a reasonable assessment as to why we have a limited chance of progress and I consider this a fair assumption to make.BUT the financial gulf means nothing if you squander your financial wealth on run of the mill overpriced players :oops: ff the beasts from the east just spent £10m on 2 world class defenders just to prove there is a financial gulf between them and us..:p
 

the_baron

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It's a big ask but with a favourable draw, getting out of the group stages is possible.

After that when the third placed teams from the Champions League groups drop in and we're up against other group winners all with single players worth more than our whole team then we've got no chance.
 

Bornagain

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Looking at the financial gulf between us and the big leagues in Europe these days it makes achieving any inroads into the later stages of European football a very tall ask for us.

However comparing the squad with last year we have improved massively to the point where I believe we could give anyone in Europe a game on our day. Last season's squad had guys like Ejaria, Coulibaly, Middleton, Lafferty, Grezda & even Dorrans featuring in the games against Spartak Moscow and Villarreal - where we more than managed to hold our own.

That Villarreal team we drew with twice last season managed to reach the last 8 of the competition. Is it possible that with a few big performances and a decent draw we could do the same?

Is making a run into the latter stages of the Europa League more within in our reach than we think?
As far as as each draw takes us mate. We could have drawn wolves and possibly already be heading out. We might get a good group and finish 1st and go through the first knock out round then possibly another. Or we could get a lady's front bottom of a draw and finish bottom. Or we could have got a worse draw than the Danes and already be out. not sure I get your concept
 

RS_Jam

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Seems obvious but it’s the Europa League for us. Minimum is making the group stages and build from there on
 
I was thinking this myself. When i looked at the final round qualifiers, i went down the list and thought 'who would blow us away over 2 legs' and there werent many... maybe wolves?
Obviously there are a number of teams that will drop out of CL qualifiers, and didnt have to qualify. But realistically i would expect us to be competitive in the group stage irrespective of the draw.
Teams will be looking at us and wanting to avoid a trip to Ibrox
 

The Golden God

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I guess i'm much more conservatitive than most on here.

Until we're able to get seeding in the 3rd and 4th rounds that's about as far as we should be getting. But the draws have been favourable the last 2 seasons and we've improved on that coefficient.

Entering the group stages is also a hassle due to our pot 4 standing. Meaning we could potentially getting 3 of the best teams within their pot standings, but again the draws have been favourable.

Slowly but surely we're improving on that coefficient which will give us an easier time of it in the future.
 

Maturebear63

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Into the group stages and perform well, give a good account of ourselves. If we then proceed into the knockout stages after Christmas,then that is a bonus.
Coefficiancy up and Cash in the bank, then onwards to the winning #55 :)) and then into the Champions league next season.
 

dt17

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No reason we shouldn't be able to get out of the group stages (obviously need a bit of luck with the draw right enough), but I actually think we should've qualified last season.

Perfectly good goal disallowed against Moscow which would've completely changed that game in our favour. Fine margins.
 

Big Buff

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If we get to the group stages, we need to put some wins together. Seeding in Rd3 and Rd4 is so valuable.
 

Marstonbear

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I’d say we were 60/40 to beat Legia.

With a favourable draw we could emerge from the group stage. Was certainly possible last season but we lacked sufficient quality to turn draws into wins and chucked away a very winnable game in Moscow
 

Shengus Malengus

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Still to make it to the group stages, never mind qualify from that.

We also couldn't beat the fourth best team in Austria in a must-win game.

To quote Taylor Swift, we need to calm down.
He’s asked the question “how far CAN we go”?
Nobody’s saying we’re going to lift the fucking thing.
Also, he’s mainly asking the question due to the very obvious improvements this season, so it’s pretty pointless quoting a game from last season.
 

ClockworkOrange

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He’s asked the question “how far CAN we go”?
Nobody’s saying we’re going to lift the fucking thing.
Also, he’s mainly asking the question due to the very obvious improvements this season, so it’s pretty pointless quoting a game from last season.
He also says we could "give anyone in Europe a game" on our day.
 

OrigTommy

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I disagree.

Funny as it was, Celtic should have easily beaten Cluj midweek. They got a 1-1 draw away. Winning at the Piggery should have been a formality.

Slavia Prague would have been a difficult tie for them but it wouldn’t have been impossible.

You also have to remember that the only reason the co-efficient is so poor right now and that the Scottish champions have to face 4 CL qualifiers is because of our absence from the top flight. Now that we are back, the co-efficient will improve.
If we have a coefficient season like last one (both teams in Europa groups, one gets to knockout round and loses) this season and next season, we would be on the verge of getting a second CL place with the winner going straight in.

This is very achievable. We're zooming up the rankings as a country now that we're back and the future looks pretty positive.

Ironically it probably helps our coefficient that the filth don't make the CL groups - they'll likely get more wins in the EL groups which makes us more points.

The biggest barrier to the above unfortunately is the fact that European reconstruction is coming in the next 2-3 years and the rules re qualification are not yet confirmed.
 

Rt. Hon. Bearman

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If we have a coefficient season like last one (both teams in Europa groups, one gets to knockout round and loses) this season and next season, we would be on the verge of getting a second CL place with the winner going straight in.

This is very achievable. We're zooming up the rankings as a country now that we're back and the future looks pretty positive.

Ironically it probably helps our coefficient that the filth don't make the CL groups - they'll likely get more wins in the EL groups which makes us more points.

The biggest barrier to the above unfortunately is the fact that European reconstruction is coming in the next 2-3 years and the rules re qualification are not yet confirmed.
I was looking at Bert Kassies' site yesterday - https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/index.html

Right now, your country needs to be ranked #15 in the co-efficients to get two CL places. The league champions have to face two qualifying rounds in the Champions route, with their league runners-up facing three qualifying rounds in the non-champions route.

I believe this is more favourable than normal due to Spurs reaching the CL final last season. I think usually the champions would need to face three qualifying rounds - but don't quote me on that.

This position is currently held by Greece. PAOK, the Greek champions, were defeated by Ajax in the Champions route in their first qualifying tie, and have now dropped down into the Europa League play off just like Celtic. Ironically, the league runners-up - Olympiacos - have actually gone further than PAOK and will face Krasnodar of Russia in the play off round for a place in the CL group stage.

As far as I can make out, the nation co-efficient used to determine how many CL and EL places each nation gets for the 2019/20 season (and at what stage qualifying clubs enter the competition) is based on results from the seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive. Only Celtic qualified for group stage European football over this period (and not always the CL), whereas we were out of the top flight until 2016, and didn't re-enter European football until the beginning of 2017/18, when we were knocked out by Progres in the EL qualifiers.

Based on this period, it is small wonder why Scotland are ranked 26th in the co-efficients. Such a lowly ranking is the reason why we, as last season's runners-up, have to negotiate four qualifying rounds for the EL, and Celtic had to face the prospect of the same number of qualifiers for the CL.

Next season's (2020/21) European places are based on the co-efficient of the five-season period up to and including 2018/19. This includes our EL campaign last season. Thanks largely to our efforts - and to a degree those of Celtic in reaching the last 32 - Scotland will move up from 26th in the rankings to 20th. Unfortunately, this isn't sufficient to grant Scotland a place in the latter stages of the qualifying rounds for European competition. Should we win the title this season, we will still face four qualifying rounds for the CL, or four qualifiers for the EL should we finish as runners-up again.

But there is no doubt Scotland is moving in the right direction. I cannot bring myself to want Celtic to win, nor I imagine would a Celtic supporter want Rangers to win in Europe, however if they do win then the silver lining is that it makes qualifying for the group stages of European football easier to do.

It really doesn't help when you have the likes of Aberdeen and Kilmarnock letting the country down, however.

As far as Rangers are concerned, we just have to keep on keeping on. Group stage football, whether it's the CL or EL, has to be the minimum requirement each season.
 

dt17

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Good post and as you say, we obviously don't want Celtic doing well for financial reasons (especially the CL), however I think it'd hinder us domestically if they never at least made the Europa League group stages so I hope they do.

Also spot on about the other teams in Scotland not pulling their weight. Kilmarnock shouldn't be losing to some part time Welsh outfit and Aberdeen should at least be putting up more of a fight.
 

daven37

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To be honest, after so many years without European football, Europe is a bonus for me.

I have no expectations going into these games. For me it was some achievement last season.

Legia are a good team and we will do very well to get by them. If we reach the EL groups then it would be a massive bonus.

In saying the above, I do feel we have a good team now and with Stevie G's vast experience of playing in Europe we are in a good place.
 

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