Referees abuse

MrBawheid

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SFA saying they are disgusted at the levels and saying it’s the reason for a shortage. Enquiring into it to protect them and stop the abuse . Shame they couldn’t have protected the future of the game as to the young boys they knowingly allowed to be abused. The same boys many adults now whom pay for these cretins wages for without fans and boys clubs etc they are nothing with nothing.
 

Gogso

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It's Grassroots football they are talking about and, as a Secretary of an Under 19 team, I have to say they are correct. Some of the coaches are idiots and forget why they are there.
When my two sons were playing lads football the behaviour of some of the parents was horrendous.
Recall one father yelling at his U8 lad "what the Fluck are you doing, can't you kick a ball properly?"
Another time the Ref had to abandon the game due to the personal and obscene abuse he was taking from the 'coaches'. I later heard that he went around to the house of one of the culprits and decked him one..
 

EH47

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I’m assuming they are talking about shortages right throughout the game? Maybe by making it a more lucrative potential career if you make it to the ‘top’, more grassroots refs might be enticed to put up with the abuse?
Nobody should be expected to put up with abuse for refereeing a game of fitba.
 

clubdeckcharlie

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When my two sons were playing lads football the behaviour of some of the parents was horrendous.
Recall one father yelling at his U8 lad "what the Fluck are you doing, can't you kick a ball properly?"
Another time the Ref had to abandon the game due to the personal and obscene abuse he was taking from the 'coaches'. I later heard that he went around to the house of one of the culprits and decked him one..
Parents can and should be banned from attending by the club. Instead they feed off the coaches behaviour and make matters worse.
 

bristol_bnose2

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Interesting to see this thread crop up at the same time as other ones discussing why football in Scotland is so far behind the rest of Europe.

This is just another of many reasons. Bluntly, Scotland's attitude to football is about 50 years out of date. Hammer throwers on the pitch and mouth breathing fannies on the touch line demanding more hammer throwing.
 

MrBawheid

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I agree, this is not a dig at the refs, they have a job to do . As we say grass roots level, that’s what the kids were grass roots level. This is my point without the stability , security and safety in this area for all concerned, the games abogie. It’s hypocritical of them not investigating why our grass roots platform has had more negatives than positives over the decades on these maters. We all want the best for out football clubs and our kids , it all starts at grass roots.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the adult game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
 
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bristol_bnose2

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
Rubbish. There are no "inner workings" or "dynamics" at play in schoolboy level football.

It boils down to aggressive ned mentality parents and coaches shouting abuse and losing their f88king minds when aggrieved by a decision.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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Rubbish. There are no "inner workings" or "dynamics" at play in schoolboy level football.

It boils down to aggressive ned mentality parents and coaches shouting abuse and losing their f88king minds when aggrieved by a decision.
I obviously wasn’t talking about kids level!
The "aggressive ned mentality" that you've just displayed with your know-it-all post yeah??
 

Mexi

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They threw the senior refs to the wolves 10 years ago

Only an issue when it suits them. Where have we hard that before?
 

Barryhopez

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Ah right, wasn’t obvious from the OP.

Fact remains though that if they professionalise refereeing and make salaries at the top end decent, it can only encourage more refs into the grass roots of the game.
Be realistic in the salary that would perhaps be on offer from the SFA at the level discussed here. Would you apply for a post that would be as well stating "as part of your role you will be subjected to personal abuse, intimidation, threats and bullying"?
 

Barryhopez

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£40 to be shoutted at by parents or dafties at the side of the park or at worse attacked over a game of football.

Where is the incentive.

In rugby there is a level of respect which isnt shown in football.
Folk will ask: 'There's a shortage of refs, why is that? I can't understand this, Scotland officials are shite.....blah blah!

The part highlighted in your post is bang on the £40.
 

Barryhopez

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the adult game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
Whit!? :D:D:D:D:D:D

That's hilarious!
 
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mark hateley

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Folk will ask: 'There's a shortage of refs, why is that? I can't understand this, Scotland officials are shite.....blah blah!

The part highlighted in your post is bang on the £40.
If you want a some Saturday work I am sure for 6 hours you will get £40 and not be subject to abuse I.e. working in a leisure centre/gym or shop or even a taxi.
 

Barryhopez

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If you want a some Saturday work I am sure for 6 hours you will get £40 and not be subject to abuse I.e. working in a leisure centre/gym or shop or even a taxi.
Exactly.

What everyone seems to see as 'normal and accepted behaviour' towards officials is hardly an incentive to do it.
 

Ubik

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the adult game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
nonsense imo
 

Scotitch

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I was a youth coach and later a club secretary, no matter how much you spoke to other coaches or parents the abuse continued. I honestly struggle to see a solution to it because even after explaining that the club got fined and could potentially be expelled from the league it didn't stop.
 

ID10

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Been a referee for 7 years, had some horrendous situations & threatened all sorts but thankfully never came to anything

Incidents are few & far between if you find a good league like I have

It’s enjoyable for me, I’m category 6 & referee adults on a Sunday
 

50p Flute

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the adult game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
Most refs at kids/amateur level are guys who used to play the game and do it for a few extra quid to their weekly wage.
Interestingly enough these are the guys who can actually ref to a half decent standard but will never progress to the top level of the game due to their age.
The only refs who I have ever witnessed that have been fully deserving of abuse has been the young guys about early 20's who may well go on and ref at a decent level, these young boys most of the time have absolutely zero people skills and struggle to cope with 2 teams trying to win and the emotions that go along with it. My boy plays under 14 level and we had a young guy like this recently who's answer every time a decision was challenged (by both sides) was "don't think so" in the most smug and arrogant tone possible, he totally lost control of the game and I said someone was going to get seriously hurt if he didn't get a grip, lo and behold a boy got a serious knee injury soon after. Now injuries happen but this was entirely avoidable had the wee clown kept control of the game.
 

50p Flute

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Nobody should be expected to put up with abuse for refereeing a game of fitba.
They might not be expected to put up with it but abuse is warranted at times, if you are saying that is isn't then I can't believe you have watched Rangers the last few years.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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I think he probably thinks it's nonsense to think refs have never played the game at all, i think it's also nonsense to think that.
Thanks for replying on his behalf, but I would tend to disagree with you. I don;t think anyone that is half decent or has competed at any decent level of football, which is the demographic I'm talking about has went on to become a referee. If you loved football and were good at it would you be doing games at the weekend like the twenty-somethings you've mentioned in your previous post?
 

Henrywatson115

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chase the parents away from early football and it will go some of the way to stop this .let the kids develop under the coaches in a safe friendly environment. I used to ref and said thos for along time .just my opinion
 

mark hateley

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Been a referee for 7 years, had some horrendous situations & threatened all sorts but thankfully never came to anything

Incidents are few & far between if you find a good league like I have

It’s enjoyable for me, I’m category 6 & referee adults on a Sunday
Has your car ever been targeted? Or have you been assaulted?
 

50p Flute

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Thanks for replying on his behalf, but I would tend to disagree with you. I don;t think anyone that is half decent or has competed at any decent level of football, which is the demographic I'm talking about has went on to become a referee. If you loved football and were good at it would you be doing games at the weekend like the twenty-somethings you've mentioned in your previous post?
Glad you read my previous post, it's just a pity you couldn't understand it at all.
It's also a pity that we are not mind readers and don't have a magical gift that we are supposed to know what you are meaning when you don't say it.
You seem to be moving the goal posts as we move along.
 
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