Referees are costing us games

#1
I've always been in the camp that believes we should be winning games in Scotland despite poor refereeing decisions,but now they are just too many and they are having a serious effect.
When you are winning games comfortably these decisions are overlooked but many of our games are tight and bad referees are having a material effect on results.The foul not given on Tav in the hibs game led directly to a goal,Alfies booking and non penalty award against aberdeen and the list goes on.These decisions can be a difference between winning and losing a league title.
I know decisions go against every team,just not when they are playing us it would seem.
All of our games are filmed on some medium,there should be a system where you can have a set number of appeals against contentious decisions as they do in the tennis.
 

Chapman billie

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#3
Plenty of posters on here of the opinion that if we were good enough we would win. My view, like the OP is that most of the time we are good enough but that is no longer sufficient. We need to be better than good enough to overcome the injustices that hit us in almost every match. We were good enough to beat Aberdeen on the opening day. Good enough to beat Dundee away and Hibs last Friday. And poor as we were on Tuesday, we may even have been good enough to win that one too. But we were cheated in every one of these games and more besides.
 

defender

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#8
I agree, a combination of intimidation, mhedia driven propoganda, cowardice and blatant cheating backed up by a republican infested governing body are costing us repeatedly. Yes the team should be putting games beyond the reach of the rhat infested officialdom but we are being knobbled at every turn from the early 'tackles' that are 'let go' to the sleekit yellows to key players to immasculate them for the rest of the game.

It's like the Gladiator scene where Maximus gets a blade in the liver before being challenged by the corrupt Emporer !
 

Grei9

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#9
I struggle to think a young guy devotes his life to get to the top of his game then decides now I have got here I’ll intentionally cheat Rangers or any other team.
I also struggle to justify how we are consistently wronged week in week out.
Trial by bbc and the subliminal or blatant MSM agenda of Rangers bad selik good might be doing more harm than we can imagine.
 

bluenosebazza

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#10
The 4 recent disappointing results when we were mostly below par as a team also coincided with referees denying us about 15 massive game changing decisions between penalties and red cards, which suggests we were actually doing enough to win games overall and being refused the opportunities. We should've had 2 penalties against St Johnstone, Aberdeen shouldve had 2 or 3 players sent off in the first cup game, Hibs should've had 2 players sent off and we should've had 2 penalties in the 1st 20 minutes alone. They should've lost another player in the 2nd half, there's a foul on Tav in the build up to the equaliser and the type of borderline offside that's given against us without hesitation is allowed to stand. We had a penalty and red card denied against Aberdeen, instead getting our striker booked. On top of all that other teams are allowed to be overly aggressive against us without being booked or even continue to kick away while on a booking whereas our players are booked for their first minimal foul.

The refs aren't giving us decisions in tight games because it's the easy way out. They don't want to be the ref favouring Rangers by giving us a penalty or sending a player off when we're struggling to win and suffer the media scrutiny after it. Go back through our dropped points this season, most of them there's a massive decision that goes against us. Morelos sent off against Aberdeen and a foul on Tav for the equaliser in the opening game. The Celtc game there's a clear foul on Jack in the build up. Dundee we have a goal that's about 2 yards onside ruled out for offside. That's just off the top of my head.

Our teams inconsistent on the pitch but they're being hamstrung by the officials as well.
 
#13
I struggle to think a young guy devotes his life to get to the top of his game then decides now I have got here I’ll intentionally cheat Rangers or any other team.
I also struggle to justify how we are consistently wronged week in week out.
Trial by bbc and the subliminal or blatant MSM agenda of Rangers bad selik good might be doing more harm than we can imagine.
I am no conspiracy theorist and I have generally shot down claims of concerted agenda against us,although there clearly is in the case of bbc Scotland.
As far as refs are concerned we very rarely get the benefit of the doubt,look at the Aberdeen game 8 bookings and players still fouling away and no sending off.Consedine was at it the whole game and it took till the 83 minute for him to be booked.
I believe the refs don't set out to cheat us but they are concerned about the fall out if they miss something so they get the cards out at the earliest opportunity.There is no doubt in my mind that if some of the tackles that our players on the receiving end were carried out by the likes of Jack or Morelos they would be off the park.
 

Bigbluebear

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#14
How long do you think the ball was actually in play on Tuesday? 45-50mins?

How many yellow cards did Clancy give out for time wasting? How much time did he add on for it?

Theres the real way he cheats. Nothing to do with decisions he gives against us.
 

Bigbluebear

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#16
I struggle to think a young guy devotes his life to get to the top of his game then decides now I have got here I’ll intentionally cheat Rangers or any other team.
I also struggle to justify how we are consistently wronged week in week out.
Trial by bbc and the subliminal or blatant MSM agenda of Rangers bad selik good might be doing more harm than we can imagine.
Then issue is though the current crop didnt "devote their life". They got fast tracked from juniors.
 

LOL 133

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#17
I struggle to think a young guy devotes his life to get to the top of his game then decides now I have got here I’ll intentionally cheat Rangers or any other team.
I also struggle to justify how we are consistently wronged week in week out.
Trial by bbc and the subliminal or blatant MSM agenda of Rangers bad selik good might be doing more harm than we can imagine.
Your last paragraph nails it. I dont believe refs set out to cheat but they do know that any contentious decisions in our favour or against the tims will be poured over for weeks resulting in them being castigated, humiliated and sometimes physically attacked.

Celtic meanwhile give their support to a film designed to put even more pressure on them and the footballing authorities and MSM say nothing.
 
#18
Plenty of posters on here of the opinion that if we were good enough we would win. My view, like the OP is that most of the time we are good enough but that is no longer sufficient. We need to be better than good enough to overcome the injustices that hit us in almost every match. We were good enough to beat Aberdeen on the opening day. Good enough to beat Dundee away and Hibs last Friday. And poor as we were on Tuesday, we may even have been good enough to win that one too. But we were cheated in every one of these games and more besides.
If we we refereed to the same level as everyone else we would be sitting joint top of the league at least right now! It's not even funny how biased the refs are anymore!
 

Edweird

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#20
One who is flying under the radar is referee Nick Walsh.
Refereed 4 Rangers games and has booked the same player on 4 occasions.
Guess who!
Answers on a postcard to Teddington Lock.
 
#22
As much as i agree with refs costing us games, We've also got to look at ourselves and the amount of chances we've missed to bury teams.

9/10 decisions refs have made would have had no bearing on the outcome of our games had we been more clinical infront of goal.

Hivs away last week, We should have been out of sight. 4 or 5-0 up at HT, A foul which should have went our way cost us at 1-0.
 
#23
As much as i agree with refs costing us games, We've also got to look at ourselves and the amount of chances we've missed to bury teams.

9/10 decisions refs have made would have had no bearing on the outcome of our games had we been more clinical infront of goal.

Hivs away last week, We should have been out of sight. 4 or 5-0 up at HT, A foul which should have went our way cost us at 1-0.
Of course we should have been out of sight however the two fouls on Morelos imo would both have been reds had it been the victim of those "tackles" dishing them out and had the ref not administered the reds those mickey bastards that work for BT and the wider media would have made sure the red was handed out after the game given the fact they pointed out his ear nip several times afterwards
 
#26
It started with the first game of the season when Morelos was sent off. Decision overturned but the 2 points are lost. The barging off the ball, a sending off in any other country, not even meriting a mention. It continued from there.
The treatment of Morelos by officials shames Scotland whether it's motivated by his perceived personality, his race or simply because he's Rangers best player there is no excuse. He's carded for the first minor incident and denied clear decisions every single game
The first games he was ref'd similar to the rest the national broadcaster (think about that) devoted almost an entire programme to this "scandal"
Outside Scotland no one would believe this treatment
 

StuGers

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#29
To be fair, loads of people have been saying this.

In professional sport, especially at SPFL level, there isn’t actually too much beteeen the teams. Referees have a massive influence on the match by giving small fouls, letting some away, booking players to mitigate their game style, let players off with booking and red cards which massively effects the psychology and ultimately the tactical discipline of the other team.
That is almost impossible to argue against.

And this season, we have seen the referees more openly cheating against us. It’s clear to see. It’s consistent. It’s impossible now, due to the scale and consistency, to argue that it is just bad luck and that it will “even itself out”.

There are either bungs being given or the referees are so bigoted that they have decided to bow to their overlord Peter.
The other possibility is that referees are now so scared of the media response of giving Rangers any decision.
I’m not sure what one of the above it is, but the thing I’m sure of is that we have been majorly screwed over this season and the club needs to do something about it.
 
#31
This has been noticeable since the first game of last season more than any other time I have watched us over the last 20 years.

Remember the first 3-4 games of last season being quite unbelievable and the same again this season.

Then after the initial games it is pretty much 3/4 games out of 5 where we clearly are refereed differently to our opposition.

There are plenty of game changing decisions we have been on the end of whether it is incorrect sending offs, disallowed goals or offsides that shouldn't have been and the constant uneveness of yellow cards for us and against us.

And it is not just these game changing decisions that are the problem. We get so many fouls against us that the opposition would never get against them. It seems they can foul with immunity and it is almost impossible to be booked never mind sent of.
 
#32
We won an old firm game for the first time in almost 7 years and the referee for that game had to have his family moved out of their home and also had to have a police escort to work the following week. That's why we're not getting treated fairly by the referees.

And what you have to remember is that the opinion immediately after the match was that the ref had a good game and let it flow...no contentious issues!!!
That all changed 2 days later when the MSN decided their team could only have been beaten by a cheating ref when they started to highlight Morelos.
 
#33
As much as i agree with refs costing us games, We've also got to look at ourselves and the amount of chances we've missed to bury teams.

9/10 decisions refs have made would have had no bearing on the outcome of our games had we been more clinical infront of goal.

Hivs away last week, We should have been out of sight. 4 or 5-0 up at HT, A foul which should have went our way cost us at 1-0.
Yes mate we are not blameless in all the bad results and often struggle to get the killer second or third goal to kill the game off,however you still get 3 points for winning by one goal and bad or cowardly refereeing is costing us in these type of games,but I agree we have got to keep improving and score more goals,this will reduce the effect of bad reffing.
 
#34
We should walk off in discust now when we get a shocking call against us. Then don't play the rest of the game imagine the news from ESPN in America Europe and even England. Then produce a statement explain the reason why.
 
#35
How many games in Europe did we play this year? Was it 14?
How many times did we moan about a referee. Once maybe twice about decisions that went against
In Scotland in the last three games the referees have probably cost us a shot at the Cup and League, go back farther than that and in reality we could have been a few points in front of everyone
 
#38
It’s been an ongoing theme for years, however it has really got worse since we went down into the lower leagues. Then last season it turned up a notch with Cheetin Beaton, and there’s hardly game gone by, where, incompetence/Cheetin of Liewells Puppets has cost us. P.S.this is not Paranoia.
 

dt17

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#39
Aberdeen away (Morelos red) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (denied a stonewall pen for hand ball) - 2 points dropped.
Dundee away (goal wrongly chopped off) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (take your pick, should've been down to 9 men). 2 points dropped.
Aberdeen home (cup game - should've had a pen when Morelos got booked). Out of the cup.

If the officials had done their jobs right we'd be level on points with Celtic and through to a semi final.

That doesn't excuse some of our performances which have been sub par in they games.
 
#40
I think no one need look further than the league table of yellows and reds to see how refereeing is set up in Scotland.
That is if your own eyes haven't yet convinced you from simply watching our matches.
However, if you are still unconvinced and insist that referees are merely incompetent and that it impacts evenly upon all teams, and eventually evens itself out over a season, then I ask you this.....
Give us a list of all the major decisions that have gone for Rangers this season that have resulted in changing the match and that have basically ensured an unfair outcome to the advantage of Rangers?
 
#41
Aberdeen away (Morelos red) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (denied a stonewall pen for hand ball) - 2 points dropped.
Dundee away (goal wrongly chopped off) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (take your pick, should've been down to 9 men). 2 points dropped.
Aberdeen home (cup game - should've had a pen when Morelos got booked). Out of the cup.

If the officials had done their jobs right we'd be level on points with Celtic and through to a semi final.

That doesn't excuse some of our performances which have been sub par in they games.
I don't watch The Filth games, but if there was a similar list of decisions going their way that helped them to win games then the league begins to take on a completely different complexion if we subtract their unfair advantages and add on our disadvantages decision wise indeed one has to wonder just how many points are impacted by refereeing in Scotland either way!
 
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#43
All I want is a level playing field. The pathetic cretins at the Pedodome are running scared and will do anything to stop us regaining our rightful position at the top of Scottish football.

Can you imagine the outcry if it was them referees were cheating out of games.

Scottish football is a joke and until someone kicks these catholic it’s only the craic loving barstewards into touch we can forget winning any more leagues or cups.

The gaffer must be at his wits end with all this nonsense as must Alfredo. I wouldn’t blame either of them if they jacked it in at the end of the season because of all the lying, cheating and hatered shown towards them

David King has to start attacking back, the time for a dignified silence is so far gone it’s a museum piece.
 
#44
Aberdeen away (Morelos red) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (denied a stonewall pen for hand ball) - 2 points dropped.
Dundee away (goal wrongly chopped off) - 2 points dropped.
Hibs away (take your pick, should've been down to 9 men). 2 points dropped.
Aberdeen home (cup game - should've had a pen when Morelos got booked). Out of the cup.

If the officials had done their jobs right we'd be level on points with Celtic and through to a semi final.

That doesn't excuse some of our performances which have been sub par in they games.
I think it actually does excuse some of our performances.

No team wins a league being on top of their game every week. As the cliche goes, sometimes you have to 'win ugly, grind out a result'. All the games where we've dropped points we could have got a better result with fair refereeing, leaving aside the performance.

The many threads after games like Tuesday, criticising players , manager, tactics, substituitions, that's all missing the point that what we're up against is not football as the rest of the world sees it.

We are literally playing under a handicap system.
 
#45
All I want is a level playing field. The pathetic cretins at the Pedodome are running scared and will do anything to stop us regaining our rightful position at the top of Scottish football.

Can you imagine the outcry if it was them referees were cheating out of games.

Scottish football is a joke and until someone kicks these catholic it’s only the craic loving barstewards into touch we can forget winning any more leagues or cups.

The gaffer must be at his wits end with all this nonsense as must Alfredo. I wouldn’t blame either of them if they jacked it in at the end of the season because of all the lying, cheating and hatered shown towards them

David King has to start attacking back, the time for a dignified silence is so far gone it’s a museum piece.
I imagine this is why we appealed the Morelos yellow. He probably won't play in the Scottish Cup next season but we appealed anyway. I think the club are going to ramp this up in the coming weeks.
 
#46
yeah we can be inconsistent but the fact still remains,some of the horrendous ref showings have robbed us big time. also on the flip side,some of the stuff they other lot get away with is crazy,brown as one example somehow seems immune to being booked and or sent off.
 
#47
Title should really be refs are deliberatly costing us games.

I understand that the manager cant keep losing big games and not winning the prizes, but i find it difficult to have a right go at him when most weeks the teams up against a bent referee thats motivated to perform for our many enemies in the media. Its actually incredible how obvious it is just shows you how powerful the press is i think some posters totally underestimate that whistle. We aint seen him for a while but again todays ref has a lot of history and previous when it comes to bias against Rangers some of Aitkens performances in the lower leagues were shameful.

Until everyone at the club gets together and accepts theres an unbelievable amount of corruption in refereeing we have no chance. Everyone on the board, management, players, ex players fans groups we should be screaming bias after the games. If Traynor can do an interview about BBC bias why no interviews about refs bias and the damage Craig Thomson has done with his very sinister style of reffin. He started it the other refs copy it as no ref is getting bad press for cheating Rangers that aint ever gonna happen. The opposite happens.

Actually lets shout bias before the game and say well we know what to expect this ref gives us nothing, not as if we have anything to lose at least at the end of 90 mins boss can say well telt you he was a cheat.

Its not just cheating Rangers either they often help Celtic out of any difficult situations in games against the diddy mobs. The most controversial or bizarre decisions they get also come at the times when they badly need one. Had the league been close or even if tims hit a slump the refs would come to their aid.

Sadly we are still reading that pathetic and tragic but also paraniod crap on here every day about being so much better than Celtic fans, its them wat blames refs. Well.....that is one of the many reasons why it happens and refs feel comfortable bending the rules to manipulate our matches. Like the media they see the club as an easy target.
 
#49
I imagine this is why we appealed the Morelos yellow. He probably won't play in the Scottish Cup next season but we appealed anyway. I think the club are going to ramp this up in the coming weeks.
To not appeal that disgraceful decision would have been tantamount to corporate neglect.
That we lost the appeal helps to graphically expose what we all suspect about the corrupt machinations inside the SFA.

Clearly their referee was wrong again, and clearly it is the same club he has made such an appalling error against, however, clearly, the SFA had to protect this referee because such glaring incompetence demands a total loss of confidence in his position and they weren't prepared to throw this individual under that bus because the alternative of being blase about the shocking bias against Rangers Football Club costs little collateral damage to this organisation, such is the hatred of our club through the established national narrative after years of press and political grooming of the gullible Scottish public.

In short, they don't care if they get seen to fck Rangers over, no one outside of Ibrox cares.
 
#50
I think it actually does excuse some of our performances.

No team wins a league being on top of their game every week. As the cliche goes, sometimes you have to 'win ugly, grind out a result'. All the games where we've dropped points we could have got a better result with fair refereeing, leaving aside the performance.

The many threads after games like Tuesday, criticising players , manager, tactics, substituitions, that's all missing the point that what we're up against is not football as the rest of the world sees it.

We are literally playing under a handicap system.
Its what title winning teams do. I mentioned above that despite not being at their best the team are creating the opportunities to win these games via teams illegally stopping our play but the refs are refusing us the chances.

It could cost Gerrard his job. Look back at videos of Smiths teams and we would often be utter garbage against teams sitting in or concede the ball and be dominated and we would win the game by a bit of quality on the breakaway or a Boyd penalty breaking the deadlock.
 
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