Coops2016
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No probs mate easily done .
Refunds
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snoopyboymason
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Being a key worker binman I been working right through this horrible time but I have no problem with anyone wanting a refund everyone’s circumstances are different and it doesn’t make them any less of a Rangers fan
The Dude
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You're buying every league game.
My sincerest sympathy
The Dude
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Pathetic post.
Those worried about their own financial situation after losing their job thanks to Covid should never by a ticket again?
I can only hope you never find yourself in the situation where you're worrying about how you're going to be able to buy food or pay your rent - because sadly, that's the very situation some find themselves in through no fault of their own.
The Dude
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Ayr, Falkirk, East Fife and Partick Thistle too.
The worst take on this yet
The Dude
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Loyalty goes both ways. Not just one. Treat fans like customers then the fans will rest them like any other business.
Finlay Bear
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I’m th
Same here mate, they do not represent the east end in any way shape or form, the east end is full of good Rangers areas.
A1bertz
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Oh dear....
AdiCR2
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I 100% agree with that. My season ticket has went up 33% this year and 80% next year so I am fuming.
I still think we have a lot of cry babies in our support who aren’t happy with anything the club do and would criticise them for anything though. Which this thread clearly shows.
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
I don't look at it from the point of view of how much an individual earns. If you do that what is your cut-off? £1k a week? £2k a week? etc etc. I simply consider the principle of the thing and whether it should apply or not. Football is a highly paid profession. There are others, of course. Should Surgeons, QCs, bankers etc be taking wage cuts because its 'morally' right? Of course not.
If Rangers want to offer a refund its for Rangers to do so. It has nothing at all to do with their employees.
The Dude
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I don't think I'd suggest anyone who is saying fans should be able to get a refund in the middle of the worst health crisis in a century and with many of us furloughed, out of work or simply unsure if we'll have a job to go back to are 'cry babies.'
Barryhopez
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You are 2-1 up on @KirkwallTrueBlue in the wankiest post on the thread competition.
The guy was right in what he labelled you.
AdiCR2
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You’ve deliberately misread what I says. We do have a lot of cry babies in our support. If they weren’t complaining about refunds it would be something else. I am in the exact same place as you mention, do I take it out on Rangers not offering me a hundred or two hundred quid refund?
The Dude
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Yes. As that is who isn't giving you a refund.
MCMLXXXI
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You should be posting that.
Stevie13000
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In general terms QCs etc are not earning the best part of 30k a week .
I could not care less whether they are employees or not , morally it’s wrong. And as I said, for all we know rangers may have already asked them to take a cut and they declined.
Oh and the yahoos across the city are taking both a deferral and cut !
car93los
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I'm in a slightly different situation, I sit in the family section with my daughter and other family members I don't attend the 'OF' games, I agreed to purchase our seats for the most recent 'OF' game on behalf of a workmate of my sister, now he's out £104.
Tricky one for me tbh, I've written off the games but I'm sure he wants his money back. I'm planning on giving him the 2 vouchers to soften the blow but I've only heard mention of them on here.
Fwiw I have no issue with any bear who wants a refund.
Tricky one for me tbh, I've written off the games but I'm sure he wants his money back. I'm planning on giving him the 2 vouchers to soften the blow but I've only heard mention of them on here.
Fwiw I have no issue with any bear who wants a refund.
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
The sums involved matter not a jot. Why should an employee, any employee, give up HIS salary to the benefit of his employer? Its a nonsense. Its not for an employee to take a wage cut. Rangers engaged them for the salary they agreed. Yes, its colossal in some cases but that's not the point. You and I, by putting money into Rangers, effectively 'sanction' that salary because we think it gives us a better chance to win things. Of course, we could pay them all under £1k a week and, by your argument, they wouldn't need to give anything up.
Take your eye of the salary and consider the principal of the thing. Would you take a cut to help your employee?
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redstarrob
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Nothing unstaunch about it, not everyone can afford it
Stevie13000
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Off course the sums matter , your not to bright if you think someone on 30k a week and someone on £300 a week that’s there is not a difference.
Oh I have tool my eye of the salary, and I consider the moral side of things, you try doing that!
If I am on £300 a week of course I would not take a wage cut , but there are family members of mine who have had to take a wage cut through thurlough.
As I said big difference between the average joe and what players earn.
Oh and nobody said pay the players 1k a week lol .
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Like everybody else I adjust my lifestyle to suit my income. When I was skint and in debt not everything I wanted to do was possible. When I had a bit more I had the mortgage and the car payments to keep up and still fit in time/money for the foreign holidays. We all do. Even football players on big bucks.
The whole idea of the players giving money away to benefit their employer arises out of jealousy. Nothing more.
We will never agree on the matter so probably best left at that.
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Sir Sasa Papac
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I was ever present I got every league game mate.
Sir Sasa Papac
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I don’t like it, you don’t like, Rangers don’t like it, Partick Hearts and Stranraer don’t like it, but the season IS over. It shouldn’t be, but it is.
Celtic have been given the championship, hearts are out the league voting as a championship club already. That’s the facts and it does you no good to pretend that anything is going to change.
Sir Sasa Papac
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You got every game in the season. You’re issue is with the SPFL, they set the length of the season. You believe rangers are due you a refund, fine, you just on for a moan or what are you proposing?
If you’re trying to drum up support or outrage then it’s not working. Get on the phone to a lawyer or rangers and do something about it.
There’s about one person on this forum honest enough to say he needs a refund, I feel for these people but I’ve listed a half dozen more scrupulous business the average person should pursue refunds from for lack of service. Business’s that they don’t love. Business’s who have fucked you over already time and again. Councils, insurers, certain tax. Start there
Absolute throbber of a post & a shocking lack of awareness/empathy regarding what’s going on right now.
Where does thick & think come into it when folk can’t pay their bills?
Give me a fellow bear who can’t afford to go over someone with your attitude every day of the week.
The Dude
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What was the score in the second Old Firm game at Ibrox?
Sir Sasa Papac
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We never played a second game against Celtic in the league this year. Where did it say on your ticket you were getting one?
The argument that the league isn’t over yet because you don’t want it to be belongs in a playground. Take your concerns to the SPFL, a lawyer or since you think rangers should front it and owe you something, the Board.
MCMLXXXI
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What number post in the thread was that?
Sir Sasa Papac
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You no on the phone to your legal representatives by now? Hagi money is already away, if you’re not quick we might improve the team further and you’ll be left moaning on an rangers forum about how immoral we are. Wait...
£25 x5 home games = £125
I got £50 back from my insurance, a purchase that I actually still got full use of.
I wouldn’t take a refund, I’d guess most wouldn’t but the offer would be appreciated .
Also appreciated would be at least communicating plans for different scenarios next season. If we don’t get into any games, 50% of games or whatever. The obvious conclusion is they want full payment and we will get zero back no matter how many games we miss and they just don’t want to tell us.
Bigbluebear1971
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I personally dont want my season ticket money to be spent on refunds. I pay every year unconditionally and hope the club keep it for the benefit of the team.
£25 voucher is a noble gesture that was made before anyone else.
Bigbluebear1971
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DaveC, before anyone renews they should fully understand that any attendance of games this season coming is highly unlikely. If they are expecting or thinking club will issue refunds they should probably reconsider renewing.
The club needs us to support it just now if we can.
Season ticket sales are liabilities for the club until they’ve fulfilled the fixture
I would never put a supporter down for wanting money back for a service that’s not been provided to them. You don’t know their individual circumstances.
heres another example.
You booked a hotel, non refundable pre payment.
You can’t go as the hotel is closed but they won’t give you the money back because it was non-refundable and in the terms and conditions that the hotel won’t be held liable for any cancellations out with their control. You’re the only source of income for that hotel, they say you can come again and will offer you £25 off the room rate, but they charge you extra to be a member of the hotels loyalty scheme.
do you pursue a refund?
Sir Sasa Papac
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Correct and all the league fixtures have been fullfilled. Rangers have zero liability for any fixtures you consider outstanding for season 19/20 beyond the discounts or vouchers they have already offered to customers. Rangers have fulfilled the t&c’sand have gone beyond with a voucher as a gesture of goodwill.
Renew or don’t renew, but don’t be surprised when it happens again this year
Sir Sasa Papac
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Not sure, I’d probably just go on to the hotels forum and complain about it with no intention of lifting a finger to help the poor customers the immoral hotel had shafted.
Normally I wouldn’t do this but if you’re going to come on and act the smart arse and put people down for wanting their money back or at least want some sort of official clarification from the club, at least get your fucking grammar right.
I’ve written off my season book for this year, but some folk aren’t so lucky.
In terms of audited accounts, yes there is a liability, as they will be subject to the same accounting treatment and the club will be required to declare on the signed financial statements and accompanying notes that they did not provide the pre agreed, normal amount of fixtures and did not offer a refund. Whether this was out of the clubs control is irrelevant.
Morally I expect an offer from the club, but I’ll not take it. Whether you agree is up to you, it doesn’t make you any better of a supporter than the others.
The club should come out with some comms and put this nonsense to bed.
I take it all of the clubs offering a refund disagree with this particular logic.
Sir Sasa Papac
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If they impress you so much and the immoral Rangers Football Club disappoint you so much then there’s an easy answer. You’ll get a seat at any ground in the country but don’t expect to get yours back at Ibrox if you go
Sir Sasa Papac
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You’re literally the type of guy who wants me to treat rangers like I would treat a hotel. That’s your actual example. A hotel hasn’t given me the best moments of my life time and again, I owe hotels nothing.
If my hotel goes out of business I’ll move on to another hotel. But if rangers go out of business or aren’t successful it means A LOT.
We are different people entirely, our outlook on rangers, what it means and how much were prepared to give it to our own detriment, is miles apart
Wow, what an incredibly aggressive answer to a simple question. Where did I describe Rangers as immoral, you just made that up.
I am one of the people who has been saying that Rangers cannot give millions away which they are not contractually obliged to. The board have to act in the best interest of the shareholders and giving that money away is arguably not even possible. Particularly in the current climate, with little or no income, but high costs.
No, I am highlighting to you another example. It is the same principle.
So you’re saying that you’re a better fan than me because I think Rangers should do the moral thing?
I didn’t say I was looking for a refund, I’m highlighting to you why others do and telling you to get off your fucking high horse and stop putting people down because for their personal circumstances would take a refund.
Fück me backwards
John MacKenzie
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Whether or not a refund is due Rangers could have given ALL outstanding ST holders free membership to the MyGers which IMO would have been better than a £25 voucher from which they will see income as it will be invariably used against something more expensive.
Sir Sasa Papac
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Aggressive? You need to toughen up a bit pal.
You have't told me, where did I describe Rangers as immoral.
I just asked if the clubs who had offered refunds didn't agree with your logic.
