Ridiculous pro Celtic article in The Scotsman

Given the way they calculate their transfer fees (including signing on fees, etc), I doubt the gap is that big

The aim of that article is so they can convince themselves they are in a better position than us
As much as I love your Imaginos Avatar mate I don’t agree.
We are not in a static situation it will continue to develop but they are simply more financially stable-which isn’t a shock considering the last decade it is to be expected.
I don’t think people realised how big a deal 55 was because of this background and arguably it compounds things because we’ve done it-whatever way you look at what their manager did last season -and by the way I do think we threw the league away-he was absolutely backed to the hilt with money to spend.
 
Was about to post the same thing G. Adds up to £34m, not £41.5.

And that is taking into account that he states they received £3.5m for Ryan Christie, who was in the last 6 months of his contract. Not even the most rhabid would swallow that guff.

He then talks about savings to be made form the sale of Soro, Bolingoli, Ajeti, and Barkas. They would be lucky to see even half of that investment returned, before even mentioning wages paid out to them already, so they will be taking a massive hit. And they ain’t getting £7m back for Julien either, assuming they were being truthful when disclosing what they paid. And they let an asset worth £4m (apparently) in Rogic leave on a free.

He also forgets to mention that this year they have no big asset to sell as in previous years. Our purchases this year will be funded by player sales, whereas theirs will be funded by future European income. Which we may also receive substantial income for.

Whenever you see a report saying “deal worth” in relation to Celtic purchases, I would not be surprised if add ons and wages were included so as to appease the hordes.

Typical Timmy spin, and an embarrassment to journalism.
In his rush to write down big total figures he has forgotten to include Frimpong
Easy mistake to make with Liewells cock in your mouth
 
They sold their last proper assets this season, I could be wrong but I don't see them selling anyone for good money now. McGregor is probably their best player and I don't see anyone coming in paying 10/15 for him.
We don’t know how that will pan out they would argue their last batch of incomings will attract attention and could be sold at a profit. I dont really have an opinion on that but for next season their CL money is effectively in the bank
 
It is going to be tough to replace him on the cheap regardless what market Celtic are shopping in.

Never injured, mostly consistent, a leader and his passing won us games. There's not many CBs that are out there that can replace that never mind for cheap
Ally McCoist cost us £185,000 and scored bucket loads of goals and actually won loads of trophies. How will we ever replace him? Oh wait a moment...we did. Fed up hearing about how much we rely upon Connor Goldson. Sooner he is signed up somewhere out the way the sooner we can get on with improving ourselves.
 
£millions going to be spent on signing 3 players who achieved history - all 3 contributed to their favourites getting knocked out of all 3 european tournaments in the same season.

And they think the permanent signing of all 3 will help them in the champion league!
 
So, Celtic are paying £18m to keep the same players at the club before they make any “new signings” not forgetting they have to replace Bitton and the other one that left - which effectively means they paid £18m to keep their loan signings and have weakened their squad in the process by not yet bringing in replacements for the 2 that have left
 
£18m just to stand still plus money to replace Rogic and Bitton. Hardly the amazing head start for next season they'd have you believe.

That's before they try to offload diddies like Barkas, Ajeti, Bolingoli, Soro and maybe even that dud McCarthy. %^*& knows who sanctioned him getting a 4 year contract.
 
Even if you ignore the bad maths and the fortune they're committing to buy players they already have, where is the future revenue he talks about generating through their "player trading model" coming from?

Am I missing someone they could actually sell on for a decent fee? It feels like they've emptied that particular cupboard.

I don't see anyone in their squad who could be viewed as having the sort of potential big leagues pay for. I guess Furuhashi would be their most sellable asset but he's a 24 year old with bad hamstrings who's biggest attributes are work rate and running off the ball. Abada maybe? He's young enough to have the potential to generate a sale and his stats seem good but I can't think of any time I've actually noticed him do anything in a big game.
Furuhashi is actually 27. So yeah no resale value for him either.
 
Was about to post the same thing G. Adds up to £34m, not £41.5.

And that is taking into account that he states they received £3.5m for Ryan Christie, who was in the last 6 months of his contract. Not even the most rhabid would swallow that guff.

He then talks about savings to be made form the sale of Soro, Bolingoli, Ajeti, and Barkas. They would be lucky to see even half of that investment returned, before even mentioning wages paid out to them already, so they will be taking a massive hit. And they ain’t getting £7m back for Julien either, assuming they were being truthful when disclosing what they paid. And they let an asset worth £4m (apparently) in Rogic leave on a free.

He also forgets to mention that this year they have no big asset to sell as in previous years. Our purchases this year will be funded by player sales, whereas theirs will be funded by future European income. Which we may also receive substantial income for.

Whenever you see a report saying “deal worth” in relation to Celtic purchases, I would not be surprised if add ons and wages were included so as to appease the hordes.

Typical Timmy spin, and an embarrassment to journalism.

That’s one thing they ARE the masters at D. Lol
 
By Andrew Smith (say no more)

Celtic: How a record £30m summer transfer spend and highest-ever £100m-plus revenue could be in the pipeline.

It is believed that the moves to sign permanent deals for last season’s successful loanees centre-back Cameron Carter-Vickers and winger Jota are now firmly gathering pace. Assuming these are successfully concluded, they will commit Celtic to an outlay of £16m - Carter-Vickers cost from Tottenham Hotspur placed at £6m plus a further £4m on add-ons, while the purchase clause previously agreed with Benfica for Jota is understood to be £6.5m. Coupled with this week’s activation of the £2m loan-to-buy option that covered Daizen Maeda’s January switch from Yokahama F Marinos, it could be that, merely by the end of this month, Celtic will have essentially invested £18m in preparation for the forthcoming campaign. As a starting point.

The fiscal comforts that allow Celtic to plan in such fashion highlight the wriggle-room provided by two factors: direct entry to the Champions League and the player trading model that has been a cornerstone of the club’s operations for the best part of two decades. An often grumbled-about cornerstone for the board-bashers among the Celtic support, it must be acknowledged. Perhaps they will have cause to reflect on such exasperations when considering how the policy could underpin almost £42m worth of transfer fees paid out since Ange Postecoglou was appointed 11 months ago - the figure that would be reached with the various elements of the permanent deals for Carter-Vickers and Jota.

Even with such considerable forking out on transfer fees, Celtic would not require to dip into their £20m bank reserve for a straightforward reason. Since last April, when Patryk Klimala was moved on to New York Red Bulls in a deal worth £3m, Celtic have raked in £41.5m in transfer fees courtesy of the sale of Odsonne Edouard to Crystal Palace, Brentford’s purchase of Kristoffer Ajer and Ryan Christie’s switch to Bournemouth last summer. These three departures are believed to be worth £14m, £13.5m and £3.5m respectively.

The upshot is that only further squad strengthening in this close season by Postecoglou would come from the revenues projected in the coming 12 months - links to £3m Hammarby left back Mohanad Jeahze and £4.5m Japanese centre-back Ko Itakura not precluding a further £10m being made available to invest in a ball-winner midfielder and right winger/attacker, according to sources close to the club. On this front, an illustration of the extent to which the near-£40m Chamions League lolly that has been guaranteed through snaring the title could be game-changing came with figures published this week by blogger Swiss Ramble.

These covered Rangers’ income from their run to the Europa League final or, to put it another way, just about the best money you can make without jousting among the global elite in club football’s most lucrative cross-boder competition. The Ibrox side earned in the region of £18m, before taking into account matchday revenue. Using the same measure, that isn’t even half of what Celtic will rake in for participation in the Champions League. Moreover, what this does for Celtic’s revenue streams is astronomical. In 2017-18, courtesy of contesting the Champions Leage group stages, the club’s revenue tipped beyond £100m for the first, and only time. By a whole £1m, to settle at £101m.

The figure was underpinned by matchday income in the region of £43m, and a Champions League bounty of £32.5m. With the club announcing a 5% increase in season ticket prices for the season ahead, and a lengthy waiting list, it can be expected that there will be at least a £2m uptick in this figure. And, when it comes to earnings from the Champions League, as already stated, these are set to be around £7m more than banked by the Scottish champions four years ago. Another revenue stream sure to be bolstered takes the form of the three-game packages for the club’s first Champions League games proper in four years. It is a safe bet these will sell out. It is an equally safe bet the cost of them will be greater than was the case in 2018. All of which suggests Celtic’s revenue can push towards the £110m mark. That would be new ground for a Scottish club.

The fiscal responsibility central to Celtic’s governance model, meanwhile, ensures that not all the number-crunching associated with the club’s operations is inflationary. In 2018-19, the club’s wage bill was £53m. The most recent accounts published put that total at £50m. The intention is to ship out a raft of players who are surplus to requirements in the form of Vasilis Barkas, Albian Ajeti, Boli Bolingoli and Ismaila Soro. If they are moved on, even in just loan deals, this could amount to budgetary savings in the region of £3m. Granted, this may be largely offset by the salary demands required to be met to seal permanent deals for Carter-Vickers and Jota. However, even allowing for that, Celtic’s wages to turnover ratio would remain comfortably within the 60% bracket considered crucial to football clubs operating in self-sustaining fashion.

Not that Celtic have ever had real problems on that score. The accounts for last season look like they will see the club post an £18m profit - up from the £5.9m loss they registered when the previous season was halted two months early because of the Covid-19 lockdown. With the earnings of last season, Celtic will have been in the black for eight of the past 10 seasons. The most recent campaign is the ninth of these 10 seasons when profitability hasn’t precluded pre-eminence in top flight terms. Celtic, a mere year on from their spectacular fall from grace, certainly appear in the pink once again.

Another thing he’s ignored here is their ‘underlying losses’ as in losses without European football & player sales, and purely based upon domestic football.

Based upon a look I had 2/3 years ago any player sales & euro football profit would probably need to exceed 15m before they went into a bottom line profit.

Where they have done well, undoubtedly, is on player sales, but I don’t see much scope in that nowadays.
 
Just sit back and wait for the car crash to happen with Flange the same way it did Lennon.

This clown is acting all smug by proclaiming he's going to play Real Madrid or PSG away from home with all out attacking swashbuckling football.

His utter arrogance will see them get an absolute battering by 6 goals plus almost every away game in Europe.

Next season he'll also be up against a Rangers manager with decent money to spend as well and no moving fixtures around to benefit them either.
 
If the tramps are securing the guys they had on loan last year then, based on what I saw against Rangers, I'd have no fears about handing them their arses next season.

The state of vickers, and others, at the end of that semi final hardly being able to walk showed how much fitter our players are than theirs.
And don't forget wee Alf wasn't playing to ragdoll him.
 
Read today that Dembele is linked with PSG. I'd assume they'll get a cut of his transfer fee if so?

Same with Frimpong, he was in the Bundesliga team of the season and is being linked with some bigger teams.
 
Agree with that. Just hoping the conditioning of our players is as good this year. Not sure who was responsible for that last year but hope they haven't moved on as part of Gerrard's backroom squad. We do have exceptionally fit guys in the likes of Tav, Bassey, Aribo, Kent.
We were already the fittest team in the league (Cocaine, Caffeine, Steroids etc), but the levels have gone way up since Gio arrived. Possibly Dutch industrial strength drugs.
 
We don’t know how that will pan out they would argue their last batch of incomings will attract attention and could be sold at a profit. I dont really have an opinion on that but for next season their CL money is effectively in the bank
Not even the press are touting their players for big money, that speaks volumes no?

And with no player sales and spending £18m just to keep the players they have a big chunk of that CL money is going straight back out their bank.
 
Not even the press are touting their players for big money, that speaks volumes no?

And with no player sales and spending £18m just to keep the players they have a big chunk of that CL money is going straight back out their bank.
I have never understood the obsession with the press and their transfers does anybody honestly believe other teams decide valuations on players based on what the Daily Record writes?

It is what it is we are in silly season if they didn’t sign these players we’d be reading on here they are fucked they lost key players.

It is a one dimensional fluff piece I’d agree but the core truth remains -they will very likely outspend us again.

However we have absolutely zero idea how the preseason dealings for us …and them will pan out.
 
BTW there's absolutely no chance they got £3m for Klimala and if they did, it's dodgy as %^*& and needs investigating.
It’s the usual “a deal worth” so about 500k transfer fee and 2.5m in wages they don’t have to pay
 
Read today that Dembele is linked with PSG. I'd assume they'll get a cut of his transfer fee if so?

Same with Frimpong, he was in the Bundesliga team of the season and is being linked with some bigger teams.
Different Dembele?
 
£18 million to stand still should be the headline. The rest is just a Tim lovey throwing numbers about.
Standing still is correct. It may have been too little to late but they looked figured out towards the end of the season especially against us in the cup and parkhead 1-1
 
They took that money did they forget they need to still pay for all the players they signed last season include george and vickers that’s every penny gone from sales
 
Whilst the article is like something from the mentally challenged view, it cannot be understated how much our dreadful post-winter break form and dodgy referees have handed them this season in terms of a financial advantage.
They don’t have one any longer .
 
This is clearly designed to start setting the narrative for the sellik support and the upcoming season.

The yahoos will be expecting big signings but that isn't really the sellik way and their daft supporters can't accept that.

The signing fees for Jota and Vickers will be grossly exaggerated (Jota's decent but Vickers?) as will the fee for any new players they bring in but Jota and Vickers are their big signings.

Their support won't accept that.
Yep , appease the hordes , nailed it mate . They have to put them in a great position still dominant over us , neck and neck now we qualify for champs league and a few player sales , bye bye Timmy .
 
At least he's Irish :)
I remember Archie Knox? getting slaughtered off the Scottish public for not picking him for Scotland and thus why he went to the ROI absolute pi$h, I recall an article in my local rag the Hamilton Advertiser when he made the breakthrough at Accies that he promised his Grandfather on his deathbed that he would play for EIRE his grandpa's country of birth.
 
The more puff pieces that emerge during the summer all the better for us.

Half the CL money gone already if they buy CCV and Jota and they still have to replace the likes of Bitton and Rogic - the later an integral player for them last season.

They are obviously banking on turning a profit on those two because, them apart, there isnt another player their books that will attract interest from EPL clubs.
No one is buying jota in tbe epl not a chance
 
Simply wank bait for the hordes. There is a world of difference between us and them. We strive to achieve in europe. They are simply glad to be handed enough cash to balance whatever books they show their shareholders. Without player sales they'd be in deep shit and they now have no one left to sell on. They have sold them all. On the other hand we have a squad full of riches if we sell them at the right moment.
 
They're "investing" £18-20m on making sure they have the same team as they finished this season with? That's a lot of money to drop on treading water. Bring it on.
 
So trying to interpret that propaganda piece they spent £20m to win a League title by FOUR points aided and abetted by match officials and compliant SPFL, a League Cup again aided and abetted by a match official, and to be kicked out of THREE European Competitions the last by a team in pre season training beaten home & away although happy to allegedly take a knock out to win the League, and of course knocked out the Scottish Cup by a team playing extra time twice in 4 days.
So signing these loanees on permanent contracts only keeps the band together will not improve them but excellent turd polishing all the same, meantime a team assembled for less than there spending spree last year gets to a European final. I for one won't be losing any sleep.
 
All that money accumulated over the past 10years. Free runs at the Champions League, Europa League etc. They've done absolutely nothing in Europe. They could have played their juniors in the league and still won it.
They will never relieve themselves of the biscuit tin.
 
They're "investing" £18-20m on making sure they have the same team as they finished this season with? That's a lot of money to drop on treading water. Bring it on.
It's brilliant. £20m just to keep the same players that couldnt qualify for the Champions League, couldnt get out of the Europa League and lost in the Vauxhall Confrence Rumbelows Conselation cup to a wifi password.
 
Making loan signings permanent is one thing but they are not marquee signings which is what is expected or should i say demanded by the beggars.
 
I won't lose any sleep if they spunk £18m on three players that already showed what they are capable of.

Also worth noting that the tim who wrote that article has neglected to set funds aside for child abuse case settlement - something I imagine celtic will have accounted for.
 
Dearest Andrew

In the "quadruple treble" years ( I am not in denial I can say it) here is the record of your fiscal heroes

2016/17 CL qualifying W3 D1 L2 ( including defeat to the mighty Red Imps)
CL group W0 D3 L3 ( including 7 goals shipped in one game to Barca)

2017/18 CL qualifying W4 D1 L1
CL group W1 L5 ( including 12 goals shipped in two games to PSG)

2018/19 CL qualifying W3 D2 L1 DID NOT QUALIFY
Europa group W3 L3 Round 32 beaten home and away

2019/20 CL qualifying W4 D1 L1 DID NOT QUALIFY
Europa group W4 D1 L1 Round 32 knocked out

Here is some more

20/21 knocked out second round CL qualifying
Europa group did not qualify

21/22 knocked out second round CL qualifying
Europa group did not qualify
Conference League knockout round play off lost home and away to Bodo/Glimt

Compare and contrast Rangers

19/20 Europa League reached round last 16

20/21 Europa League reached round last 16

21/22 Europa league finalists

UEFA Club Co-efficient placings at end of season 2021/22

Rangers 33

Celtic 51

But it's all about fiscal prudence, right?

Ever yours

laud ( and proud)55
Did we not get to the last 32 in 1918/19? Definitely after Christmas anyway.
 
Think the fact that their first spend is 2m on a player who looked like a blind dug chasing a ball tells you all you need to know about Celtics planned spending.
Carter Vickers at 6m could be a decent bargain.
 
Just sit back and wait for the car crash to happen with Flange the same way it did Lennon.

This clown is acting all smug by proclaiming he's going to play Real Madrid or PSG away from home with all out attacking swashbuckling football.

His utter arrogance will see them get an absolute battering by 6 goals plus almost every away game in Europe.

Next season he'll also be up against a Rangers manager with decent money to spend as well and no moving fixtures around to benefit them either.
Don’t discount a suspension of play when some wee papist retard gets monkey pox.
 
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