BrotherMoses
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As above. Nightmare for folks getting to and from the game, especially as the subway will also be closed by kick off
I blame the SNPStrikes been on for months but no one has the will to sort it.
Yeah...absolute pain also for folks returning from weekends awayStrikes been on for months but no one has the will to sort it.
I blame the SNP
Shit for the people affected tomorrowStrikes been on for months but no one has the will to sort it.
Don’t fancy waiting 19 years for a train to be honest!I'm one of the lucky ones. Trains from Saltcoats are still running. But...... The last train back is at 2040.
That's an improvement on some services tbfDon’t fancy waiting 19 years for a train to be honest!
I believe it's being forced to work overtime on Sundays, hence the Sunday strikes. Stand to be corrected though.
Is that a way of saying the SNP is great and the country isn’t a mess when they’ve been in power for decades?I blame the SNP
Totally.Whats really ridiculous about it though is that the main rail operator in the country relies on OT to run a Sunday service.
I never knew that what they done. It’s 2021 and they’re relying on people doing voluntary overtime to keep the country moving?Totally.
Employ new starts on a Saturday and sunday only contract. Folk will be happy enough.
Ok, as my wife is a conductor, I’ll bite.Shit for the people affected tomorrow
this period of covid / less people on trains to be affected was perfect time for facing down the unions and bring forward autonomous driving trains across the network /and reframe the role of the conductor to focus on tickets / passengers / not door opening / closing as the unions have been holding the general public to ransom with the trains for years
YepI never knew that what they done. It’s 2021 and they’re relying on people doing voluntary overtime to keep the country moving?
My understanding is there was agreements made that the various different roles would receive an increased premium on their OT rate for working on Sundays. The drivers got theirs, then covid happened and the rest of the roles have been told they won't be getting theirs. It's technically not a strike, just not doing OT.
The government won't budge on giving them the agreed raise and neither will the unions.
Under the circumstances can see both points of view
Whats really ridiculous about it though is that the main rail operator in the country relies on OT to run a Sunday service.
I never knew that what they done. It’s 2021 and they’re relying on people doing voluntary overtime to keep the country moving?
Almost all train companies doMy understanding is there was agreements made that the various different roles would receive an increased premium on their OT rate for working on Sundays. The drivers got theirs, then covid happened and the rest of the roles have been told they won't be getting theirs. It's technically not a strike, just not doing OT.
The government won't budge on giving them the agreed raise and neither will the unions.
Under the circumstances can see both points of view
Whats really ridiculous about it though is that the main rail operator in the country relies on OT to run a Sunday service.
Im a driver. My perspective is different. However the way weve been split is disgusting. ASLEF deliberately took a pay deal that isolated our colleagues in the RMT. By seperation of pay bargaining from March to October. Sympathise mateOk, as my wife is a conductor, I’ll bite.
In a round of strikes about 4/5 years ago, when there was a move to lower the importance of the role of a conductor, it was Abellio’s insistence that they would ensure there were always two members of staff on a train (minimum) for any journey. Indeed, they did so saying that there were many services that travel without a conductor in Scotland so what would be the difference. True - but those services tend to be low level trains, stopping every couple of minutes and not getting up major speeds. Not travelling at 100mph plus and putting non safety critical trained staff in carriages to assist anyone injured or otherwise.
Also, re the doors comment you make…
6 years or so ago, my wife working a train. Someone runs to make the train. She holds it for them. As they approach the train, they slip, catch their leg between the train and platform and end up with a pretty gory and gruesome injury (I’ll spare details). Immediately the train is held, and ambulance etc are called whilst everyone else on train is informed of what’s happened by a person trained to do so. Now imagine that scenario where ‘doors’ are checked remotely from inside the driver’s cab (who has enough to do and concentrate on), looks and thinks that person running for the train made it on ok. Closes the doors. And drives off. Actually, let’s not imagine it.
The attempt to cause division by blaming the staff is pretty blatant. I’d hope people would see through it.
Exactly.. Its been on for months now. Their milking it. Pain in the arse.It feels like they've just decided they won't be working Sundays any more under the disguise of 'striking'.
Its all really old protected terms and conditions from when Sunday was a traditional rest day.
Again I admire the strength of the union in keeper good terms for its members, however its also 2021.
They would probably strike properly if people were employed to just work Sundays, plus given the volume of staff required and training training timescales and costs it would likely be a non starter anyway.
Modernisation coming across the entire UK rail network though so things will change.
Howling at how left wing you portray yourself asIt feels like they've just decided they won't be working Sundays any more under the disguise of 'striking'.
Not unless they are remunerated properly , agree .It's not strike action. They just aren't working Sunday rest days.
Nor should they.
They'll blame Westminster and the tory government, as per usualI blame the SNP
The Drivers have been placed in a helluva awkward position, but nobody resents you guys the pay deal secured just before the pandemic hit. Indeed, it’s why the RMT members rejected strike action to protest the conductors not getting the matching one last spring. Many felt they were very lucky to have a job, and that’s why it failed.Im a driver. My perspective is different. However the way weve been split is disgusting. ASLEF deliberately took a pay deal that isolated our colleagues in the RMT. By seperation of pay bargaining from March to October. Sympathise mate
The Drivers have been placed in a helluva awkward position, but nobody resents you guys the pay deal secured just before the pandemic hit. Indeed, it’s why the RMT members rejected strike action to protest the conductors not getting the matching one last spring. Many felt they were very lucky to have a job, and that’s why it failed.
The attempts to further sew division by scotrail are pretty poor this time though, politicising twitter statements etc.
As Stonehaven showed last year, you guys more than earn your money. Still shudder at that.
What they striking about now?
OH NO no another Scotrail/ railway bashing thread we only had one through the week. Listen nothing is ever going to change you are going to be waiting on late/ cancelled trains for the rest of your lives that's the way it is on the UK railways, if you don't like it or accept it use another mode of transport
For a bit of clarity, I should say she voted not to strike last year. Aware of the perception of striking in a pandemic and also with the good fortune to have a job when many lost theirs (my own industry thrown into chaos).Your wife is correct though. They deserve pay linked to ours. Its frustrating i totally get it. All id say is some issues we face others can never understand. Thats no excuse for degradation of pay for other grades. I certainly stand in solidarity with your wife. Though i do feel sometimes the RMT miss the bigger picture when it comes to our role. Thats not essentially a criticism just advice. We all work better together without a shadow of doubt
You guys hold all the cards and other workers just want something close to parity. It’s refreshing to see a Driver sympathiseIm a driver. My perspective is different. However the way weve been split is disgusting. ASLEF deliberately took a pay deal that isolated our colleagues in the RMT. By seperation of pay bargaining from March to October. Sympathise mate
True. And we can all be paid to watch that the robots do their jobs properly. Thereby ensuring that we don’t lose any money individually and the companies in charge of a publicly subsidised franchise don’t automatically get a free hit at cash whilst jettisoning staff left right and centre. Aye, let’s do that.What an attitude to have. No wonder this country lags so far behind the likes of the Netherlands et al when it comes to public transport.
Automation will sort out some of these issues hopefully.
You guys hold all the cards and other workers just want something close to parity. It’s refreshing to see a Driver sympathise
Its so difficult for your wife. The RMT knocked back a tremendous deal, to get parity. Scotrail rejected and i feel the union went uber militant, but, that said. Il still support my colleagues, including your wife mate. Dont worry about thatFor a bit of clarity, I should say she voted not to strike last year. Aware of the perception of striking in a pandemic and also with the good fortune to have a job when many lost theirs (my own industry thrown into chaos).
But your last point stands. And genuinely, she stands with you guys too. The pressure and scrutiny you guys are under is crazy. Friend of ours was actually ‘downgraded’ to conductor and felt a weight off his shoulders in the stress released. Not that conductor is easy of course. Still dealing with the public etc.
good luck to you guys. It shouldn’t be this hard.
True. And we can all be paid to watch that the robots do their jobs properly. Thereby ensuring that we don’t lose any money individually and the companies in charge of a publicly subsidised franchise don’t automatically get a free hit at cash whilst jettisoning staff left right and centre. Aye, let’s do that.
It’s unfortunate for your personal circumstances but eventually all trains will be driverless & have no conductorsOk, as my wife is a conductor, I’ll bite.
In a round of strikes about 4/5 years ago, when there was a move to lower the importance of the role of a conductor, it was Abellio’s insistence that they would ensure there were always two members of staff on a train (minimum) for any journey. Indeed, they did so saying that there were many services that travel without a conductor in Scotland so what would be the difference. True - but those services tend to be low level trains, stopping every couple of minutes and not getting up major speeds. Not travelling at 100mph plus and putting non safety critical trained staff in carriages to assist anyone injured or otherwise.
Also, re the doors comment you make…
6 years or so ago, my wife working a train. Someone runs to make the train. She holds it for them. As they approach the train, they slip, catch their leg between the train and platform and end up with a pretty gory and gruesome injury (I’ll spare details). Immediately the train is held, and ambulance etc are called whilst everyone else on train is informed of what’s happened by a person trained to do so. Now imagine that scenario where ‘doors’ are checked remotely from inside the driver’s cab (who has enough to do and concentrate on), looks and thinks that person running for the train made it on ok. Closes the doors. And drives off. Actually, let’s not imagine it.
The attempt to cause division by blaming the staff is pretty blatant. I’d hope people would see through it.
Nothing to do with attitude Coplandakeklord, too many posters are utterly clueless regarding how railway's work in this country and the antiquated system we work under. Automation What do youWhat an attitude to have. No wonder this country lags so far behind the likes of the Netherlands et al when it comes to public transport.
Automation will sort out some of these issues hopefully.
"But eventually all trains will be driverless & have no conductors"It’s unfortunate for your personal circumstances but eventually all trains will be driverless & have no conductors
the technology, removal of human error / wages (& not having to deal with unions) will speed that up
each strike just quickens that happening gives the political capital to make it happen as general public just want the trains to run
Fair play mate. We (engineers) ended up getting advanced payments for rest day working and their response was to stop giving us overtime and limping on regardless. Haven’t had a sniff of ham for 2 years.We do. Ones of the few unions left with power, but, even as an admitted tory. Il never abandon my colleagues. They deserve parity mate. Il never not defend them. I withdrew from voluntary Sunday work last week
Refusing to work overtime isn’t a strikeIt’s unfortunate for your personal circumstances but eventually all trains will be driverless & have no conductors
the technology, removal of human error / wages (& not having to deal with unions) will speed that up
each strike just quickens that happening gives the political capital to make it happen as general public just want the trains to run
Fair play mate. We (engineers) ended up getting advanced payments for rest day working and their response was to stop giving us overtime and limping on regardless. Haven’t had a sniff of ham for 2 years.
And automated trains don’t have general public having to decide on a side when it comes to the contract law implications of a trade union agreement stopping the trains from runningRefusing to work overtime isn’t a strike
And unicorn shit tastes like marshmallowsAnd automated trains don’t have general public having to decide on a side when it comes to the contract law implications of a trade union agreement stopping the trains from running