Ronaldo no one has been more complete than me

Throbber of a guy.

A fantastic goal scorer, not the best footballer ever. In his ‘complete footballer’ assessment, you’ll note he omits key things to football such as dribbling or passing.

Being a big strong guy doesn’t make you a good player.

For what it’s worth, elite sportsmen/women do often have such views of themselves and it’s partly why they have achieved what they have.
 
Can he dictate the tempo of a game? Does he have the vision to unlock defences with a killer pass? Can he dribble past 3/4/5 players as if they don't exist?
Less so dictating the tempo of the game but the other two he was excellent at
 
Don't disagree.

He was, though, the most complete player ever.

CR7 can certainly claim to have been more fit if he wants that title.
He can easily claim to be the best player ever.
He's also missed out the reason we're all attracted to football in the first place. Entertainment.

R9 (and Messi and certainly Ronaldinho for that matter) were far better to watch as a common spectator.
Ronaldo was entertaining before he turned into a goal scoring machine. Entertainment is irrelevant in the discussion of greatest ever.

Pele wasn't considered the best ever because he was entertaining.

It feels like there are some mental gymnastics going on because no one can actually argue that he shouldn't see himself as the best ever. Bizarre.
 
Can he dictate the tempo of a game? Does he have the vision to unlock defences with a killer pass? Can he dribble past 3/4/5 players as if they don't exist?

The answer to that is no, but Messi can.
Could the same be said about Messi not being remotely as good as Ronaldo in the air?

FWIW I think Messi as far as talent is concerned is the better player, but Ronaldo has every right to believe he a more complete player, he's earned that. I think it's weird people get upset with a player displaying confidence in their own ability when they've reached this level.
 
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He can easily claim to be the best player ever.

Ronaldo was entertaining before he turned into a goal scoring machine. Entertainment is irrelevant in the discussion of greatest ever.

Pele wasn't considered the best ever because he was entertaining.

It feels like there are some mental gymnastics going on because no one can actually argue that he shouldn't see himself as the best ever. Bizarre.

He can claim what he wants. I could claim it too.

CR7 was never as entertaining as the people he's being compared to and it's absolutely part of being "the greatest"

Just like Muhammed Ali.

Pele's flair was absolutely one of the reasons he was considered up there too. He did things that no one else had seen before.

Ronaldo's welcome to claim he's the greatest ever. It's not mental gymnastics for people to say that they think differently.
 
I'm just glad I was around to see both of them.

Unbelievable footballers.

100%.

Watching them on Saturday and Sunday nights during the period both were at their absolute peak at the same time was a genuine pleasure.

The ‘who was better’ argument is irrelevant because it’ll always come down to personal choice.

For me, I look at it as who would I pay to go and watch if I could see either again at that peak?

It would be Messi 100 times out of 100 because the football he produced was perfection.

He was the most entertaining footballer I’ve ever watched.

If I was a manager, though, with the choice of bringing only one in to lift a team to the very top level, there’s a real discussion to be had on which one it would be because Ronaldo was brutally brilliant.



(I would still choose Messi!:)))
 
He can claim what he wants. I could claim it too.

CR7 was never as entertaining as the people he's being compared to and it's absolutely part of being "the greatest"

Just like Muhammed Ali.

Pele's flair was absolutely one of the reasons he was considered up there too. He did things that no one else had seen before.

Ronaldo's welcome to claim he's the greatest ever. It's not mental gymnastics for people to say that they think differently.

Not entertaining :D

Wit mate
 
Don't disagree.

He was, though, the most complete player ever.

CR7 can certainly claim to have been more fit if he wants that title.

He's also missed out the reason we're all attracted to football in the first place. Entertainment.

R9 (and Messi and certainly Ronaldinho for that matter) were far better to watch as a common spectator.

Maradona was the best for me, but he wasn't the complete player, but no one will touch the wee maniac for me.
 
He can claim what he wants. I could claim it too.

CR7 was never as entertaining as the people he's being compared to and it's absolutely part of being "the greatest"

Just like Muhammed Ali.

Pele's flair was absolutely one of the reasons he was considered up there too. He did things that no one else had seen before.

Ronaldo's welcome to claim he's the greatest ever. It's not mental gymnastics for people to say that they think differently.
That's the mental gymnastics. Not disagreeing with him, that rubbish is the mental gymnastics.

Real Madrid's and the Champions League's all time top scorer, but doesn't count as much because he wasn't as entertaining lol

I think you know that's just, well, stupid.
 
Could the same be said about Messi not being remotely as good as Ronaldo in the air?

FWIW I think Messi as far as talent is concerned is the better player, but Ronaldo has every right to believe he a more complete player, he's earned that. I think it's weird people get upset with a player displaying confidence in their own ability when they've reached this level.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by complete doesn't it?

Would anyone say Haaland is a complete player because he can run fast, jump high and score headers? Probably not.

As I said earlier, to me a complete player is someone who can do everything. In Messi's case he went from being a winger, to a false 9, a number 10 and a lot of the time his positioning now is that of a centre midfielder. Ronaldo couldn't do that.

Unless things are put into the 18 yard box for him nowadays he doesn't do much at all.
 
he is one of the superstars of the game, and always enjoyed watching him play and his commitment but in terms of actual best "football" players my top 3 are

1 Messi
2 Maradona
3 Ronaldo - the portugese wan..
 
He might be a better athlete than Messi, he’s stronger, faster, better in the air but Messi is the best dribbler and passer of all time as well as being amongst the greatest goalscorers of all time which makes him better at football.
 
That's the mental gymnastics. Not disagreeing with him, that rubbish is the mental gymnastics.

Real Madrid's and the Champions League's all time top scorer, but doesn't count as much because he wasn't as entertaining lol

I think you know that's just, well, stupid.

I think you and I have a different take on what entertaining means as a footballer.

Entertainment is a massive part of the game. Pep's Man City are (were) hugely effective in winning games but they were nowhere near as good a watch as his Barca team.

Ronaldinho, might well have fewer trophies but he absolutely blows Ronaldo out of the water for entertainment value.

Ally is our top scorer but he wasn't as entertaining as Laudrup or Gascoigne.

It's not mental gymnastics whatsoever to suggest there are better players to watch than Ronaldo on that basis.
 

Not entertaining :D

Wit mate

Go on and point out where I said he wasn't entertaining.

I said others were more entertaining. Messi and R9 clearly fall into that category.

No one is arguing Ronaldo's perhaps a finer human specimen but, for me and millions of others, there are players who we enjoy watching far more.

I'm not sure what it is that people find difficult about that.
 
I think you and I have a different take on what entertaining means as a footballer.

Entertainment is a massive part of the game. Pep's Man City are (were) hugely effective in winning games but they were nowhere near as good a watch as his Barca team.

Ronaldinho, might well have fewer trophies but he absolutely blows Ronaldo out of the water for entertainment value.

Ally is our top scorer but he wasn't as entertaining as Laudrup or Gascoigne.

It's not mental gymnastics whatsoever to suggest there are better players to watch than Ronaldo on that basis.
No one was arguing or cares about who was more entertaining. It's a completely irrelevant discussion.

The fact is Ronaldo can claim to be the best player ever. He's a 5 time Champions league winner, the highest scorer ever in the competition and Real Madrid's all time top scorer.

Highest scorer in the hardest competition in football and highest scorer for the biggest club on the planet.
 
When you compare their peaks there is a debate but not when you take into account longevity and achievements in the game.

Obviously R9 ahead on the World Cup front.
It comes down to personal preference mate

I’ll put my head above the parfait

Top - Pele , Maradona , I’m not splitting them

3- Messi
4- Cruyff
5- Zidane
6- Baggio
7- Zico
8- Beckenbaur
9- Puskas
10- Garincha
 
No one was arguing or cares about who was more entertaining. It's a completely irrelevant discussion.

The fact is Ronaldo can claim to be the best player ever. He's a 5 time Champions league winner, the highest scorer ever in the competition and Real Madrid's all time top scorer.

Highest scorer in the hardest competition in football and highest scorer for the biggest club on the planet.

Messi is Barcelona's top scorer by a mile an has a better goals to game ration than Ronaldo in the Champions league.
 
No one was arguing or cares about who was more entertaining. It's a completely irrelevant discussion.

The fact is Ronaldo can claim to be the best player ever. He's a 5 time Champions league winner, the highest scorer ever in the competition and Real Madrid's all time top scorer.

Highest scorer in the hardest competition in football and highest scorer for the biggest club on the planet.

Like we've said already. He can claim all he wants.

Plenty disagree and clearly people do care about who was more entertaining in a "greatest" discussion.

He's never won the biggest competition on the planet and has less Ballon D'or than his rival so there's certainly a debate to be had.

Modric has even more CL wins. Does that make him better?
 
Like we've said already. He can claim all he wants.

Plenty disagree and clearly people do care about who was more entertaining in a "greatest" discussion.

He's never won the biggest competition on the planet and has less Ballon D'or than his rival so there's certainly a debate to be had.

Modric has even more CL wins. Does that make him better?
But to exclude Ronaldo from the greatest ever discussion on the grounds of entertainments is preposterous. Why is stated above.

Sorry, what? He's never won the champions league? There's absolutely a debate to be had between Ronaldo and Messi. Did you think my point about Ronaldo was somehow lessening Messi?

Obviously not. Modric is also an outstanding player, but you know fine well we're talking about the top goal scorer in these seasons they won the biggest prize. So, we're just being silly here for silly sake.
 
But to exclude Ronaldo from the greatest ever discussion on the grounds of entertainments is preposterous. Why is stated above.

Sorry, what? He's never won the champions league? There's absolutely a debate to be had between Ronaldo and Messi. Did you think my point about Ronaldo was somehow lessening Messi?

Obviously not. Modric is also an outstanding player, but you know fine well we're talking about the top goal scorer in these seasons they won the biggest prize. So, we're just being silly here for silly sake.

No one is excluding him you maniac. There's a debate and others think there have been better than him.

The World Cup (being the biggest football prize) was the obvious point about Ronaldo when you were suggesting titles he'd won made him untouchable. All of his rivals in this chat (Pele, Messi and R9) have won it while he hasn't.

And, if the reply is that that was due to them palying for countries with better players than Portugal had, the same thing applies to what he won with Real as they had better players than the other clubs.

Can the greatest ever player only be a goal scorer in your logic then? That's being silly for silly's sake.
 
No one is excluding him you maniac. There's a debate and others think there have been better than him.

The World Cup (being the biggest football prize) was the obvious point about Ronaldo when you were suggesting titles he'd won made him untouchable. All of his rivals in this chat (Pele, Messi and R9) have won it while he hasn't.

And, if the reply is that that was due to them palying for countries with better players than Portugal had, the same thing applies to what he won with Real as they had better players than the other clubs.

Can the greatest ever player only be a goal scorer in your logic then? That's being silly for silly's sake.
Well whatever the fck your point was about entertainment, I'd imagine most onnthe planet will consider the 'GOAT' to be either Messi or Ronaldo. Very much doubt entertainment Ronaldinho style comes in to or matters at all, but surely, entertainment..

I was quite clearly talking about the CL, and youre reading through bizzare bitter-tinted specs. On what planet dud I say the 5 CL's made him untouchable? The fact he's a 5 times winner and the highest goal scorer in the hardest competition in club football means hes very much in the duscussion, regardless of 'entertainment'.

I see. So what non-Real/Barca players can be considered the greatest ever during the Messi/Ronaldo years?

Nope. Never implied that anywhere actually.
 
Well whatever the fck your point was about entertainment, I'd imagine most onnthe planet will consider the 'GOAT' to be either Messi or Ronaldo. Very much doubt entertainment Ronaldinho style comes in to or matters at all, but surely, entertainment..

I was quite clearly talking about the CL, and youre reading through bizzare bitter-tinted specs. On what planet dud I say the 5 CL's made him untouchable? The fact he's a 5 times winner and the highest goal scorer in the hardest competition in club football means hes very much in the duscussion, regardless of 'entertainment'.

I see. So what non-Real/Barca players can be considered the greatest ever during the Messi/Ronaldo years?

Nope. Never implied that anywhere actually.

I reckon you've got a bit of an issue considering other people's viewpoints.

You can imagine all you want but on this very thread we've got others considering Pele and Maradona as the greatest.

You were quite clearly talking about the CL. I was quite clearly talking about the World Cup.

Again, at no point have I not said he's not in the discussion. It's you who seems unwilling to accept there are other answers.

If there's anyone bitter here, it's those who can't take the questioning of Ronaldo's claim without diving in like a defensive lover.
 
I reckon you've got a bit of an issue considering other people's viewpoints.

You can imagine all you want but on this very thread we've got others considering Pele and Maradona as the greatest.
Absolutely we do, with most considering Ronaldo or Messi to be the greatest. Pele, the non entertainer? Shocked at that.
You were quite clearly talking about the CL. I was quite clearly talking about the World Cup.
Yeah, so answer the question previously then. What non-Real/Barca players during the Ronaldo/Messi era could be considered the greatest?
Again, at no point have I not said he's not in the discussion. It's you who seems unwilling to accept there are other answers.

If there's anyone bitter here, it's those who can't take the questioning of Ronaldo's claim without diving in like a defensive lover.
I have no issue accepting other answers. You've predictably read that wrong, as I made the point others consider Pele to be the greatest earlier in this thread lol

I haven't disagreed with questioning Ronaldo's claim at all lol what are you on about? I disagreed with the mental gymnastics to talk him down and then you went on a road to nowhere logic wise.
 
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