Ronaldo v Ronaldo: who was the better Ronaldo?

Ronaldo v Ronaldo: who was better?

  • Brazilian Ronaldo

    Votes: 370 54.7%
  • Portuguese Ronaldo

    Votes: 308 45.5%

  • Total voters
    677

Zizou

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Longevity obviously cr7 Ronaldo but in terms of best player at peak of their powers had to be Brazilian Ronaldo for me absolutely unplayable.
He was still world class even with his dodgy knees
 

ElMo

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The Portuguese Roanldo won more than the Brazilian therefore he's the better player?

Nonsense! Football is full of players who never won as much as their talents deserved.

R9 is one of those players. If your comparing on ability, he was faster, stronger, more skillful and a better finisher than CR7.
 

Wazza

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Still amazing how little R9 won after Brazil won the World Cup, staggering really. Ronaldinho the key in that to a degree.
 

Johnny Yen

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At their absolute peak it’s Brazilian Ronaldo, much the same in the Messi/Maradona debate, one has had a far better and more consistent career, but in their prime Maradona was better and Brazilian Ronaldo was better too.
 

Russ H

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Brazil Ronaldo played Man Unt off the pitch back in the late 1990's but CR7 has done that to a few teams over a longer spell so for me both up there but CR7 wins hands down for me
 

cooperman

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weird how messi gets bashed for no winning the world cup as prove that he's not as good as maradona, yet cr7 fanboys are bigging up his league and champions league medals as prove that he's better than r9, yet r9 has 2 world cup winners medals, in his prime and before his injuries the real ronaldo was better than peak cr7 and messi, he could do what those 2 does but does it better, in the days when defenders can still put a proper tackle in, so anyone saying cr7 is the better player are wrong
 

Kilwinnin Bluenose

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I'm going with Cristiano Ronaldo. Brazillian Ronaldo was a wonderful, wonderful player but just look at CR7's career and what he has won. The only thing missing is a World Cup but that's not really down to him.
 

cooperman

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The fashionable answer would be Brazilian.

The only correct answer is Cristiano though, just look at the relative records the guy is an absolute colossus of the game.
read the question again mate, it was who was the better player not who's won more trophies, I'd also say 2 world cups trumphs whatever cr7 has won
 

cooperman

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Tricky but having seen R9, CR7 and messi all running at defenders, the last one you would want to face would be R9. He was frighteningly good!

CR7 the GOAT though as his records and achievements speak for themselves ahead of anybody else.
you serious? r9 in his prime and without the injuries is better than a peak cr7 and messi by some distance, oh and how many world cups has cr7 won?
 

Wazza

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read the question again mate, it was who was the better player not who's won more trophies, I'd also say 2 world cups trumphs whatever cr7 has won

Never played a single minute in 94 mind. Many would say Portugal winning France 2016 was a bigger achievement than Brazil winning Japan 2002, certainly a bigger surprise.
 

Thommo2006

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For stats and how long hes been at the top it's hard to argue against Cristiano.

However

I maintain Brazilian ronaldo is the best centre forward I have ever seen and but for injury he would be talked about along with pele Maradona messi as the best ever.
 

Bromp Carlisle

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It depends on how you define the criteria for 'better'.

To pick one for a game, peak Brazilian. To sign one for his full career, Portuguese.

The former's talent with the latter's dedication would be frightening.
 

SouthEast Jim

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The Brazilian has a World Cup winners medal and until he was surpassed by Klosse was the all time leading goalscorer in the history of that tournament.

Doesn’t that speak for itself when compared with his Portuguese counterpart?
Not really, other than that one plays for a much more successful national team than the other!

Don't get me wrong, i love the original Ronaldo but it's almost impossible to compare them because the Portuguese one improved with age whereas the Brazilian one peaked at about 21 due to injuries.
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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I think when you look at career achievements, the Portugese one wins easy. If I had one game, both at their prime, I'd choose the Brazilian one. He was absolutely immense and unplayable on his day.

First reply nails it as usual.

Cristiano has had the better career. El Fenomeno was the better player at his peak (which only lasted about 3 years before his knee was destroyed).

I'd include Messi in that as well. El Fenomeno up until about 21/22 was hitting numbers and accolades that were utterly incredible and have never been seen again since then. Mbappe might be somewhere close to his numbers but he is playing in a one team league at PSG.
 

ensignquagmire

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Brazilian ronaldo for me. Him and Zidane are my 2 favourite players of all time outwith Rangers.
Ronaldo gets the plaudits for the old Trafford hat trick but just keep a close eye on Zidane in that game. Don’t even know if Zidane had pace or he just made it looks so easy if you judge him on that clip alone.
you serious? r9 in his prime and without the injuries is better than a peak cr7 and messi by some distance, oh and how many world cups has cr7 won?
yes I’m serious, do you even know who R9 is?
 

cooperman

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Never played a single minute in 94 mind. Many would say Portugal winning France 2016 was a bigger achievement than Brazil winning Japan 2002, certainly a bigger surprise.
how many minutes did cr7 play in the 2016 euro final? as a player a peak r9 is better then a peak cr7, Brazil went to shit in the 98 final without r9 in the final, yet portugal managed just fine when cr7 went off at 20 odd minutes
 

cooperman

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Ronaldo gets the plaudits for the old Trafford hat trick but just keep a close eye on Zidane in that game. Don’t even know if Zidane had pace or he just made it looks so easy if you judge him on that clip alone.

yes I’m serious, do you even know who R9 is?
wtf are you on about?
 

Gumbo Pickle Packer

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R9 was an icon at the time, an unbelievable player to watch, physically one of the strongest players i have ever seen. Not many players win a world cup twice.

But in a straight shootout it's Cristiano for me. The man at 35 is closing in on 750+ career goals. It's unreal.
 

Wazza

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how many minutes did cr7 play in the 2016 euro final? as a player a peak r9 is better then a peak cr7, Brazil went to shit in the 98 final without r9 in the final, yet portugal managed just fine when cr7 went off at 20 odd minutes

Aye there is always that argument about the final - which is pretty weak to be fair and France were poor in it as well but he played a huge role in getting them to get that final. The Croatia match for example they would have been well beaten if it wasn’t for the threat he was constantly, can remember watching it in a Pub in Paris (I backed Croatia) and when they broke in the last minutes for the goal I knew they would bloody score.
 

HandsomeHead

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Not really, other than that one plays for a much more successful national team than the other!

Don't get me wrong, i love the original Ronaldo but it's almost impossible to compare them because the Portuguese one improved with age whereas the Brazilian one peaked at about 21 due to injuries.

I have the suspicion that many of those who rate Cristiano Ronaldo so highly equate goalscoring with the sign of greatness.

Don’t get me wrong, it plays a huge part, which is why defenders don’t tend to feature a lot on GOAT lists, but I always feel there needs to be more than goals alone to acquire that accolade.

Prersonally I’d take a mesmerising solo goal, which the Brazilian produced a glut of in his career, over ten ordinary strikes every day of the week.

For me that’s the sign of real greatness - a player that other professional footballers can barely lay a glove on, who makes it look like an adult playing against a bunch of school kids.

It’s always been about god given natural talent for me and the Brazilian wins hands down in my book, although there’s no denying the Portuguese lad is a phenomenal player in his own right and one who has deservedly won the Ballon D’or several times.
 

SouthEast Jim

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"If Ronaldo never had his injuries" is really just another form of "if my auntie had balls".
Completely agree. The injuries definitely affected him but there are also a lot of players that peaked very early in their careers, he could easily have been one of them
 

daven37

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I've voted for Portugal Ronaldo who is the better player when all taken into consideration. When all things considered there is an argument for him being the goat.

At their absolute best I'd say Brazilian Ronaldo was better.
 

cooperman

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Aye there is always that argument about the final - which is pretty weak to be fair and France were poor in it as well but he played a huge role in getting them to get that final. The Croatia match for example they would have been well beaten if it wasn’t for the threat he was constantly, can remember watching it in a Pub in Paris (I backed Croatia) and when they broke in the last minutes for the goal I knew they would bloody score.
why is it weak? you're the 1 who implied r9 did nowt to deserve his world cup medal in 94 so surely the same logic should apply to cr7, from memory cr7 was bang average at those euros over all
 

GazzaG

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Completely agree. The injuries definitely affected him but there are also a lot of players that peaked very early in their careers, he could easily have been one of them
We all saw how talented Michael Mols was, he could easily have gone down as one of our all time greats.

It's similar to that for me.
He's one of the best footballers I've ever seen in a Rangers shirt, it doesn't make him a Rangers great though.
 

Laudrup1

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People are saying that because Messi doesn't have a WC to his name, he can't be considered the greatest ever.

Surely with R9 then, he beats the Portuguese Ronaldo all ends up with TWO World Cups compared to a Euro Championship where R7 didn't play for 85 minutes of the final?

As it is, I've never seen a player like R9 and doubt I ever will again. Like Lomu coming in to rugby, this was a phenomenon.

For someone with that build to be so quick, have such quick feet and just generally look like you'd die if he ran in to you at full pelt and score the goals he did was beyond anything we'd seen.
 

Clinton Baptiste

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It has to be Cristiano, he has been one of the best 2 players on the planet for over a decade and smashed all sorts of records. With R9 it is more what he could have been without that knee injury, he was unplayable on his day. But knee injury or not, i still don't think he would have went on to have the numbers Messi and C.Ronaldo have achieved as the other 2 have the attitude and dedication that is unmatched by anything ever seen before.

For me Ronaldinho had more natural skill and ability with a ball than all 3 of the above, but lacked the attitude needed to be a top pro for a sustained period of time.
 

Wazza

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why is it weak? you're the 1 who implied r9 did nowt to deserve his world cup medal in 94 so surely the same logic should apply to cr7, from memory cr7 was bang average at those euros over all

Because they had to reach the final and he played a big part in that, it wasn’t a one off match winning France 2016, your own opinion that he was average throughout - I never felt that at all.

Be very surprised if Ronaldo himself thinks he played a key part in Brazil winning the World Cup in 1994 when he never played a minute there (the whole Tournament you know, not just the final) - do you think he played a bigger part in 94 than the other one did in Portugal winning France 2016?
 

Wazza

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It has to be Cristiano, he has been one of the best 2 players on the planet for over a decade and smashed all sorts of records. With R9 it is more what he could have been without that knee injury, he was unplayable on his day. But knee injury or not, i still don't think he would have went on to have the numbers Messi and C.Ronaldo have achieved as the other 2 have the attitude and dedication that is unmatched by anything ever seen before.

For me Ronaldinho had more natural skill and ability with a ball than all 3 of the above, but lacked the attitude needed to be a top pro for a sustained period of time.

Ronaldinho completely turned Barcelona, when you look at who was playing for Real Madrid in that period the way Barcelona took over was amazing really.
 

HandsomeHead

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Never played a single minute in 94 mind. Many would say Portugal winning France 2016 was a bigger achievement than Brazil winning Japan 2002, certainly a bigger surprise.

Brazil had a sensational side in 2002, but Ronaldo was the star of the show scoring 8 times including two in the final and he went into that tournament with a lot to prove.

Compare that with Cristiano Ronaldo’s best effort with Portugal in 2016 when, with all eyes on him, he only managed a couple of goals all tournament then hobbled off after twenty minutes of the final which his teammates went on to win without him.

I think a big sign of true greatness is being able to deliver on the biggest stage when everyone’s expecting you to.
 
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