Bulletproof
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Fat Ronaldo was just before my time and I've only got YouTube vids to go by but I'm gonna go with CR7.
don't lie I said he won 2 winners medals , aye so ronaldo had 1 good game in the euros whoopee dooo
I’ve honestly never heard him referred to as CR11Natural abilty = R9. Natural ability doesn't makes you the best in itself. CR11 is one of the finest and most determined athletes that you'll ever see. This has resulted in higher results outputs over a sustained period of time. With this in mind, gotta go for CR11
I’ve honestly never heard him referred to as CR11
I think when you look at career achievements, the Portugese one wins easy. If I had one game, both at their prime, I'd choose the Brazilian one. He was absolutely immense and unplayable on his day.
Quick for a big unit of a guy and was great to watch even wi the dodgy barnet.CR7 has achieved an insane amount, R9 never won the champions league, but I have to be honest , I prefer the real Ronaldo , he was a phenomenon , utterly incredible.
His record, his entire play , if he wasn't injured so badly he would be the best ever , you saw how Brazil fell to pieces in 98 when he was injured .
aye right it's my fault you can't read mateNo lies, it’s all what you’ve said in the thread. Think initially you thought Ronaldo had played at USA 94 but missed the final. Cheers anyway.
aye right it's my fault you can't read mate
yep agreed, stats last forever, our memories don'tI think something has went lost in translation here. For me R9 the better player but CR7 would have better argument for being GOAT
You could be talking about either of them there.
R9 wins in a fight.
CR7 wins in a 'pose off'.
If by better, you mean ability alone, then it's R9 for me.
Never played a single minute in 94 mind. Many would say Portugal winning France 2016 was a bigger achievement than Brazil winning Japan 2002, certainly a bigger surprise.
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Why is this even a question?
No they wouldn't.
Brazil barely even qualified, they looked woeful throughout qualification without Ronaldo. He returned scored in all but one game and the double in the final.
Cristiano never even played in the Euros final that Portugal won.
Can’t be arsed repeating what I’ve already wrote so read through if you want to see.
Brazil were favs for that World Cup, like I’ve said at the Semi Final point they were 4/6. Portugal were outsiders for it. Fair dos if you think Brazil winning that World Cup was a bigger surprise/achievement than Portugal winning the Euros.
Brazil started that tournament at 8/1.
They only became favourites later in the tournament because of Ronaldo. Without him it was their worst ever qualifying campaign and they only scraped qualification on the final day.
On sheer ability, the Original Ronaldo was one of the best ever.I’m interested to see how this one goes given the number of folk on here that seem to believe Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player on the planet at present.
I remember it as France about 5/1 and Brazil 7/1. 6 and 2 3s.
Portugal 25s area in 2016?
I updated the post before you replied, feel free to reply to that as well.
Disagree about scraping qualification, granted last day but needed a lot to go wrong didn’t it - surely they would be strongly fancied to beat Venezuela at home and indeed Australia in a 2 leg play off.
Brazil were behind Argentina, France and Italy in the odds, for good reason.
Their literal worst ever qualifying campaign, their star player barely kicked a ball for 2 years, their captain injured and missing the whole tournament... Brazil were absolutely not expected to win that and they get nowhere near it without Ronaldo who scored 8 goals, scored in all but one game and got both in the final.
That World Cup is a far bigger accomplishment. That's before even factoring in the two Copa Americas, in which he also won Player of the tournament.
So if Brazil were 8/1 (I bet them at 7s and do fancy them. 18 year aftertiming there!) and Portugal were even 16s what was the bigger surprise? All opinion anyway, betting prices don’t make things 100% right.
I'd still pick Brazil as the bigger surprise, given the World Cup means you have to beat the better teams from every continent, not just Europe.
On the Cristiano front, I'd give Portugal a very good shout at next year's euros also.
Feel that CR always gets a harder time when it comes to these debates, people seem to try throw shade on stats.
Yes hes scored a barrel load against sh1te international teams, but he is also in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place for most goals scored in a Champions League season, and spearheaded a team that won three CL's on the trot (not been done since the 70's). I've heard the Champions League is a decent level.
He also scored 46 league goals to help Real win the league in 2012 against, in my opinion, one of the best footballing teams ever (Barca 08-12).
There is no wrong answer and there is probably a generational element to it, I would hazard a guess that most people 30+ will say R9 and under 30's like myself would be more likely to say CR7.
CR7 at Man Utd in the 07/08 season was probably when i started to really tune into football and he was unplayable that year out on the LW.
I remember that I believe it was either chile or Paraguay that pushed them all the way in the qualifiers.Brazil started that tournament at 8/1.
They only became favourites later in the tournament because of Ronaldo. Without him it was their worst ever qualifying campaign and they only scraped qualification on the final day.
I remember that I believe it was either chile or Paraguay that pushed them all the way in the qualifiers.
I remember that I believe it was either chile or Paraguay that pushed them all the way in the qualifiers.
Aye I used to watch a fair few of they qualifiers always exciting football imo.When people were on about International Football the other week and how crap it can be to watch I thought to the South American qualifiers for the World Cup, Shame Sky haven't still got them, were great to watch - can remember watching the 2014 last round of games and the way the players were as they either made it or failed was full of passion and emotion.
CR7 is an incredible footballer. Top 5 greatest of all time for me.
You aren't thinking logically if you try and downplay the guys achievements in football.
Can’t be arsed repeating what I’ve already wrote so read through if you want to see.
Brazil were favs for that World Cup along with France, like I’ve said at the Semi Final point they were 4/6. Portugal were outsiders for the Euros. Fair dos if you think Brazil winning that World Cup was a bigger surprise/achievement than Portugal winning the Euros.
Wish folk would stop focusing on Ronaldo never playing the full final as well, like it’s some clued up comment and he played no part in getting them there. He did play and came off early injured so that’s factually wrong what you’ve said as well.
He was pretty mediocre at the Euros, he was a major part of the reason they only scraped through the groups in the end because he couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo in the first couple of games which included a missed penalty. He was mediocre in the knock outs against fairly mediocre opposition too including a Wales team that must be the about the weakest side I’ve ever seen in the semi’s of a major international tournament. Someone (not sure if it was you) credited him with the goal against Croatia but Quaresma only got it because Ronaldo missed the glaring chance to score himself and was fortunate his teammate was there for the rebound.
He played about 5 minutes of the final then watched it with the rest of us causal viewers. The likes of Pepe, Fonte and Nani (and obviously Swansea reject Eder) were more pivotal to Portugal at that tournament than CR7. Just because the guy got his hands on the trophy in the end doesn’t mean it was because of him or that he was the driving force. It would be daft to suggest otherwise when he wasn’t even really a part of the biggest and most important match of the tournament.
The big question though is do you think Ronaldo played a bigger part in Portugal winning France 2016 than his namesake did in Brazil winning USA 94?
I’m assuming you mean the World Cup of 2002 and not ‘94 when the Brazilian was only 17 and didn’t feature in any game.
The answer quite clearly is that he played a far bigger part in Brazil’s victory that year than the Portuguese did his country’s Euro success fourteen years later.
I don’t see how that can even be remotely up for debate.