Ryan Jack - Love him, but..

MSF

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I like Jack, always have. Defended him on here but the OP is right.

We still need more goals from midfield. Arfield is producing the goods from a more advanced position but none of Davis, Kamara or Jack carry a goal threat. At least one of them has to.

We should always try to better ourselves and the players we have so I’m a bit confused by some of the posts on here. Too much emotional attachment to players.

Theres not one player I would mind being replaced if it was a better player, surely thats the mindset of everyone?
 

Graemelins

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Definitely a position that could do with upgrading.
I think Jack is a good steady SPL level player, and I do like him, but feel he's just not quite good enough to be a first pick every week in a title winning side.
 

Bluebrox

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Definitely a position that could do with upgrading.
I think Jack is a good steady SPL level player, and I do like him, but feel he's just not quite good enough to be a first pick every week in a title winning side.
This, all day long.
 

CaptainCourageous

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Jack, Kamara, Davis and Arfield complement each other so well and offer the perfect balance to our midfield and attack.

I've not been impressed with our midfield since the days of Thomson, Mendes and Davis, that was just absolutely starting to settle and boss sides until Thomson picked up his injury.

Jack was outstanding on Sunday, he goes about his business quietly and effectively. His closing down and breaking up of play allowed Kamara and Davis time and space.
 

Speminalium8

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Jack is a safe pair of hands and has earned a right to be in our midfield pool. Whether he is an automatic first pick, I think we can improve on him with someone who can bring more to the team.
 

kingstonbear

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I know we scored plenty over the season but for me we have too many that don't contribute enough. I don't see Davis or Kamara as contributing that many so for me that means the 3rd midfielder in there needs to be contributing ~10 goals a season.

RJ has got a few now but will need to build upon that. One thing that is for sure is that there is nobody in our current first team squad that would replace him, maybe to rest him but not on a permanent basis.
 

Buffalo

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What do people want from a defensive/screening midfielder?

He covers every blade. Sniffs our dangers. Recycled possession. Offers some dig in the tackle.

I’m a bit perplexed as to this wave of negativity surrounding Jack’s role.
He is brilliant when things are going well, my worry is if we go through a bad patch he will just hide.

I think as a squad player though he is exactly what you need to win titles.
 

Leo_Ger

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Jack's been brilliant recently.

He completed snuffed out McGregor on Sunday. Never let him get beyond him all day.
 

Barrymoped

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I think central midfield is currently our strongest area and the absolute last thing we need to strengthen in the summer
 

Growler

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I really like Jack, but there are weeks where he is anonymous.

The suggestions in the OP are funny.

Adding someone like Holtby would be a good move. Someone with creativity and goals in their game. We can then pick the best fit for the situation at hand.

I just hope we don’t overload the squad with more squad players and upset the balance.
 

JCDarcheville

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Nobody is guaranteed a start but Jack doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the list for targeted strengthening. Over the course of the season he has been our most consistent player. An absolutely critical part of our midfield balance which has seen us play our best spell in years at the end of the season.

In terms of additions:
We need a left back for the first 11.
A centre half that can compete with Goldson and Katic; and
A player capable of competing with Arfield / replacing him if injured or suspended (maybe Docherty).

In terms of replacements to first 11:
A striker to replace Morelos if he goes (proven less important over last few weeks but still been our best player over the season)
Some real quality to replace Kent if he goes (could be tough)
Quality to replace to replace Tav if he goes (could be tough)

Other than that we look strong and have already added to squad depth with Jones, Hastie and potentially Stewart who will improve our bench.
 

Jaymuz7

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No position should be safe but jack gets nowhere near the credit he deserves
Totally agree. So much of his work goes unnoticed. Thankfully our gaffer knows exactly what Jack offers the team. That’s good enough for me.
 

Jjbscotty

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Jacks a decent player but when we are playing against the cannon fodder in the lower half of the league he’s like a man down in the middle of the park.
 

brain

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Not one of the priority positions imo. CAM is the big one, a game changer to partner Arfield (not Kent).
 

tazzabear

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Was chatting about this last night to my uncle. We (Rangers fans) talk a lot about having two or three first team players coming in to really turn this squad into a title winning squad, there's really a universal opinion - that I agree with - that says we need these two or three players to be first picks so who would they dislodge?

I see these players as LB, CM and CAM. The first explains itself, takes the LB role which nobody has nailed down. The CAM role would be Ryan Kent and if we don't get him then someone of that ilk creatively. (Obv a fourth is a striker if we lose Alfie)

The CM role though has me thinking who makes way? To really become that squad that not only challenges for the league but takes it down needs a team that consistently hits 8-9/10 across the board say 70% of the time. Although Jack is capable of that level of performance, I'm not sure if he's capable of that level of consistency.

Davis and Kamara are, I can see that but I'm not sure if Jack is.

He can be a motm, he can be a 8/10 9/10 or 10/10 but looking back he's probably a 7/10 more consistently, with the occasional burst into the top range.

Im starting to think he's the one that could be at risk. Would we be a better team with a midfield three of Davis, Kamara and say a Lucas Leiva / Sebastian Rudy / Steven Zuber / Thomas Delenay / Jordan Veretout (all of which I see as achievable signings) and would their quality be able to hit that 8-9-10/10 consistently level that Jack doesn't.

Listen I love the guy, he's been brilliant for us and maybe I'm wrong but I think Davis and Kamara have the ability to be higher performers consistently - and this isn't to say Jack can't be a high performer, I just doubt the ability of that level consistently.

Been a great signing up til now. But what about from now?
If he’s managing a minimum seven out of ten, he should be a first pick.
I cannot think of half a dozen players who were eight out of ten, eighty percent of the time.
Jack is a good player but there are few in the squad, non actually, that couldn’t be improved on.
 

Arkanoid

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In what way?
No mention of form, Jack is playing and we're winning. If you have the shirt in a winning team and are contributing like Jack is then you keep the shirt. You are also basing your opinion on the individual as opposed to the collective. It's a team game after all !
 

Scooby

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We cannot replace Jack with a goalscoring midfielder, that makes no sense.

Jack is there to stop attacks, cover space when other players attack, and generally 'put out fires' as I heard one pundit describe that position. He does this very well, and most of his work is off the ball so its hard to judge what he has done in a game.

I have no problem with replacing him, but with our finances we would have to get someone who is young and still learning, or some one who has played at the top and is getting near the end of his career. Or maybe some on who has done it at a lower level and could maybe make the step up. All are risky, just like any signing.
 

The Golden God

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Even the likes of Zuber or Veretout are in the realms of fantasy
I haven't heard of either of them but one look at their current clubs instantly puts them out of our reach.

Our market is the 0-2m range with room for 1 £3m+ plus signing dependent on Morelos leaving imo.
 

iprod

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I happen to agree with OP and thought this for a while. We're riding on a high now so peoples opinions on players are slightly altered.

When we were going through the bad runs, most players were not good enough for many. Jack being one of them. He is a good, solid player but one i would be hoping for an upgrade. If not, its not he end of the world.

And someone to compete with Arfield for his role
 

Bob Belcher

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I haven't heard of either of them but one look at their current clubs instantly puts them out of our reach.

Our market is the 0-2m range with room for 1 £3m+ plus signing dependent on Morelos leaving imo.
Zuber might be achievable; he's at Hoffenheim but has been out on load to Stuttgart this season and only has a year left on his contract I think. Can't imagine that he couldn't get a game at a higher level than the SPL though. Veretout cost Fiorentina €7m and has played 60-odd games for them over the last two seasons and has been linked with Arsenal.
 

Chocco123

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Was chatting about this last night to my uncle. We (Rangers fans) talk a lot about having two or three first team players coming in to really turn this squad into a title winning squad, there's really a universal opinion - that I agree with - that says we need these two or three players to be first picks so who would they dislodge?

I see these players as LB, CM and CAM. The first explains itself, takes the LB role which nobody has nailed down. The CAM role would be Ryan Kent and if we don't get him then someone of that ilk creatively. (Obv a fourth is a striker if we lose Alfie)

The CM role though has me thinking who makes way? To really become that squad that not only challenges for the league but takes it down needs a team that consistently hits 8-9/10 across the board say 70% of the time. Although Jack is capable of that level of performance, I'm not sure if he's capable of that level of consistency.

Davis and Kamara are, I can see that but I'm not sure if Jack is.

He can be a motm, he can be a 8/10 9/10 or 10/10 but looking back he's probably a 7/10 more consistently, with the occasional burst into the top range.

Im starting to think he's the one that could be at risk. Would we be a better team with a midfield three of Davis, Kamara and say a Lucas Leiva / Sebastian Rudy / Steven Zuber / Thomas Delenay / Jordan Veretout (all of which I see as achievable signings) and would their quality be able to hit that 8-9-10/10 consistently level that Jack doesn't.

Listen I love the guy, he's been brilliant for us and maybe I'm wrong but I think Davis and Kamara have the ability to be higher performers consistently - and this isn't to say Jack can't be a high performer, I just doubt the ability of that level consistently.

Been a great signing up til now. But what about from now?
Whilst I agree you need to always look for the best of the best, I do however feel this is an area with those 3 already there that could easily achieve higher heights.

All 3 are capable of more but we need consistent players, guys to rely on and Jack is certainly that man.

If someone better is to come along then he will replace anyone in the squad - nobody’s position should be a given.

He’s the but though......Jack is a player who goes under the radar a lot due to the work he does. As he isn’t a Kent type player, his closing down of opposition, tackles, runs and consistent availability on/off the ball is something that is very hard to come by and would make our midfield worse off.

The reason Kamara and Davos look so much better is knowing jack is there to cover/clean up should they make a mistake......take Jack out and you’ll be left with bigger gaps and more options for our opponents.

I know a lot are looking to improve our first XI, in this instance I feel you are barking up the wrong tree and in my opinion, these 3 should be our starting 3 next season - CH/LB/RB(if Tav goes), Forward 3 are areas to improve first (should Morelos go)
 

bullen an la

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Was chatting about this last night to my uncle. We (Rangers fans) talk a lot about having two or three first team players coming in to really turn this squad into a title winning squad, there's really a universal opinion - that I agree with - that says we need these two or three players to be first picks so who would they dislodge?

I see these players as LB, CM and CAM. The first explains itself, takes the LB role which nobody has nailed down. The CAM role would be Ryan Kent and if we don't get him then someone of that ilk creatively. (Obv a fourth is a striker if we lose Alfie)

The CM role though has me thinking who makes way? To really become that squad that not only challenges for the league but takes it down needs a team that consistently hits 8-9/10 across the board say 70% of the time. Although Jack is capable of that level of performance, I'm not sure if he's capable of that level of consistency.

Davis and Kamara are, I can see that but I'm not sure if Jack is.

He can be a motm, he can be a 8/10 9/10 or 10/10 but looking back he's probably a 7/10 more consistently, with the occasional burst into the top range.

Im starting to think he's the one that could be at risk. Would we be a better team with a midfield three of Davis, Kamara and say a Lucas Leiva / Sebastian Rudy / Steven Zuber / Thomas Delenay / Jordan Veretout (all of which I see as achievable signings) and would their quality be able to hit that 8-9-10/10 consistently level that Jack doesn't.

Listen I love the guy, he's been brilliant for us and maybe I'm wrong but I think Davis and Kamara have the ability to be higher performers consistently - and this isn't to say Jack can't be a high performer, I just doubt the ability of that level consistently.

Been a great signing up til now. But what about from now?
have you informed SG?
 

SecondBestIsNothing

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I still think a guy with Ferguson/Adam's passing range is still required (not saying sign Charlie Adam before anyone starts) and a no 10 for the midfield. As great as the trio has done, I don't believe we need Jack against smaller teams and much like McCrorie, he should be brought in depending on who we are playing. We need to be able to have creative and combative combinations of the trio and everything in-between to win the league next season.
 

Paisleyprod

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Its all about continuous improvement and finding the right balance.

We've fucked up royally in the past by standing still.

Team at present is good though.
 

NDC bear forever

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Was chatting about this last night to my uncle. We (Rangers fans) talk a lot about having two or three first team players coming in to really turn this squad into a title winning squad, there's really a universal opinion - that I agree with - that says we need these two or three players to be first picks so who would they dislodge?

I see these players as LB, CM and CAM. The first explains itself, takes the LB role which nobody has nailed down. The CAM role would be Ryan Kent and if we don't get him then someone of that ilk creatively. (Obv a fourth is a striker if we lose Alfie)

The CM role though has me thinking who makes way? To really become that squad that not only challenges for the league but takes it down needs a team that consistently hits 8-9/10 across the board say 70% of the time. Although Jack is capable of that level of performance, I'm not sure if he's capable of that level of consistency.

Davis and Kamara are, I can see that but I'm not sure if Jack is.

He can be a motm, he can be a 8/10 9/10 or 10/10 but looking back he's probably a 7/10 more consistently, with the occasional burst into the top range.

Im starting to think he's the one that could be at risk. Would we be a better team with a midfield three of Davis, Kamara and say a Lucas Leiva / Sebastian Rudy / Steven Zuber / Thomas Delenay / Jordan Veretout (all of which I see as achievable signings) and would their quality be able to hit that 8-9-10/10 consistently level that Jack doesn't.

Listen I love the guy, he's been brilliant for us and maybe I'm wrong but I think Davis and Kamara have the ability to be higher performers consistently - and this isn't to say Jack can't be a high performer, I just doubt the ability of that level consistently.

Been a great signing up til now. But what about from now?
The same Jordan Veretout that’s about to sign for Napoli for €27m.
 
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