Ryan Jack

AC2101

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Peoples opinions of Ryan Jack are a great barometer on what they actually know about the game of football
Absolutely.

How anyone can watch, or look back at last nights game and single out Jack from that midfield three as the biggest issue is utterly mindboggling.

Funny all these threads that creep up tend to mention the fact he came from the sheep vermin. Cant all be born on the copland road im afraid.
 

volunteer

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I like jack but let’s face it he just isn’t the quality needed for that midfield anchor, that’s where the play begins, Answer this, would he even make it into Celtic’s match day squad if he played for them? would he have got a game in hibs midfield last season? My answer is no, so why is he apparently good enough for us
Talking of a Rangers player getting into the celtc squad :rolleyes:.....says it all.
 

Calico Jack

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Ryan Jack is an excellent player, but like many, is written off after a bad result.

I don't think we'll see his full potential until there is far better player's around him.
Spot on, MF'ers that want the ball, can stretch teams around the park, RJ is more than capable of delivering a ball accurately.
 

wilso10

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Ryan Jack, alongside Tav, has been arguably one of our best players this season behind shagger and Morelos.

Yet regularly we see threads portraying some kind of negative picture of the former two.

What do folk honestly expect of Jack? Seriously?

If it's eye of the needle passes, box to box runs and 10+ goals a season then you clearly have no idea what that position is all about.

Do I think we can do better? Absolutely we can but we're not really in a position to be splashing £3m+ on the midfielders of yesteryear, and Jack IMO would actually do very well with better players around him.
 

RFC_Champions

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Jack’s getting flak because the rest of the midfield and wide attackers are creating fück all.

Jack’s job is to spoil play for the opposition and protect our CB’s.

How many times have our CB’s been exposed with the opposition coming right through the middle at them??? Hint: it’s not very often.... so that must mean that jack is doing the job asked of him.

What about the job that’s asked of Ejaria/Middleton/Grezda/Candeias (ie their job being creativity)?
 

Jjbscotty

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Ryan Jack is an excellent player, but like many, is written off after a bad result.

I don't think we'll see his full potential until there is far better player's around him.
See if Ryan Jack is such an excellent player why was he at aberdeen to the age of 26 and only been capped 3 times in the worst scotland set up in decades?
 

sheddensbear

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Jack is perfect at breaking up play. He is not ideal when breaking down packed defences. McRorie has more pace . Our problem last night was Ejaria, then Coulibaly, then Jack.
 

SOB-WATP

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Back up at best in a title winning team.

There were a few on here having a go when I claimed he never turns up in the big games, well there's another to add to the collection.
 

Walt Longmire

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The gaffer rates him.

That should be all we need to know.

I know people think, 'It's all about opinions', well Steven Gerrard's opinion is the most informed and the most important.
 

DarthVader

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Bang average. I didn't notice him when he played for Aberdeen and I don't rate him now.

He's not a young kid and should be a leader in that team, someone you can hang your hat on having a solid game. At 26/27 years old, he's accomplished nothing and never delivers on the bigger stage.

Impressive pass completion stats are pointless when you always play the wrong ball, the weight is not quite right or it causes someone to break stride.

He's one paced, doesn't cover the ground and doesn't offer the back 4 the protection he should... and blowing out his arse after 60 mins. Physically he's not up to playing in that position.

I await the aficionados telling me I know nothing about football.
 

wilso10

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Bang average. I didn't notice him when he played for Aberdeen and I don't rate him now.

He's not a young kid and should be a leader in that team, someone you can hang your hat on having a solid game. At 26/27 years old, he's accomplished nothing and never delivers on the bigger stage.

Impressive pass completion stats are pointless when you always play the wrong ball, the weight is not quite right or it causes someone to break stride.

He's one paced, doesn't cover the ground and doesn't offer the back 4 the protection he should... and blowing out his arse after 60 mins. Physically he's not up to playing in that position.

I await the aficionados telling me I know nothing about football.
Why should he be a leader?

What had Dado Prso achieved at age 26/27?

Impressive pass completions are pointless? Keeping the ball is pointless?

Blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, really?

Why does Steven Gerrard regularly play him when other options are available if your post is accurate?

Doesn't take an aficionados to tell you that you know nothing about football after that nonsense.
 

gordon_blue

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When he plays well, he does a good job for us. He's done that in just one game in Europe this season. We have to get more out of him.
 

devilman

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I think it's obvious that Gerrard needs to try something else with the midfield - question is. Will he?
 

DarthVader

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Why should he be a leader?

What had Dado Prso achieved at age 26/27?

Impressive pass completions are pointless? Keeping the ball is pointless?

Blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, really?

Why does Steven Gerrard regularly play him when other options are available if your post is accurate?

Doesn't take an aficionados to tell you that you know nothing about football after that nonsense.
He's a senior player in comparison to the 2 guys he lined up beside last night. He needed to step up to the plate and he didn't.

Re retaining possession - didn't win us the game last night did it? Possession is pointless unless you can carve out chances and score goals. Good teams don't just keep possession, they move teams around to create space for creative players. Jack plays for stats, not points/goals.

And Gerrard's options are limited. We have aboutba dozen bang average midfielders of which Jack is one.

And yes, he does blow out his arse after an hour.
 

wilso10

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He's a senior player in comparison to the 2 guys he lined up beside last night. He needed to step up to the plate and he didn't.

Re retaining possession - didn't win us the game last night did it? Possession is pointless unless you can carve out chances and score goals. Good teams don't just keep possession, they move teams around to create space for creative players. Jack plays for stats, not points/goals.

And Gerrard's options are limited. We have aboutba dozen bang average midfielders of which Jack is one.

And yes, he does blow out his arse after an hour.
Rubbished your own argument in one paragraph, we don't have a team who "move around to create space for creative players".

And Jack isn't there to be creative anyway.
 

DarthVader

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Rubbished your own argument in one paragraph, we don't have a team who "move around to create space for creative players".

And Jack isn't there to be creative anyway.
I'm simply stating that possession for the sake of possession is pointless. Maybe if we had a more dynamic midfield, brave on the ball and capable to moving the ball quickly we could move stretch teams?

You don't see Jack as part of the problem? Not the only problem, but part of it.

I'm not expecting Jack to play like Gazza, Albertz or Fergie, but he's got to be a bit more adaptable and contribute something in an attacking sense. Even if it's just moving the ball quickly, playing the riskier ball once in a while. I think he's a one trick pony, a very limited player.

We all want to see class players at Ibrox, but let's not let our desire cloud our judgement.

Jack is on a par with McInnes the player in terms of ability and style. Simply not good enough.
 

wilso10

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I'm simply stating that possession for the sake of possession is pointless. Maybe if we had a more dynamic midfield, brave on the ball and capable to moving the ball quickly we could move stretch teams?

You don't see Jack as part of the problem? Not the only problem, but part of it.

I'm not expecting Jack to play like Gazza, Albertz or Fergie, but he's got to be a bit more adaptable and contribute something in an attacking sense. Even if it's just moving the ball quickly, playing the riskier ball once in a while. I think he's a one trick pony, a very limited player.

We all want to see class players at Ibrox, but let's not let our desire cloud our judgement.

Jack is on a par with McInnes the player in terms of ability and style. Simply not good enough.
Fair enough, everything you have mentioned above is what I'd expect to see in the Ejaria and Coulibaly positions perhaps but not in the role Jack plays.

With two more dynamic, creative, explosive central/attacking midfielders we might be just fine with Jack doing what he does.

I actually think in Arfield and Jack we have two very good midfielders, we're just missing that final piece of the puzzle centrally and I think we need to strengthen in the wider areas.
 

DarthVader

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Fair enough, everything you have mentioned above is what I'd expect to see in the Ejaria and Coulibaly positions perhaps but not in the role Jack plays.

With two more dynamic, creative, explosive central/attacking midfielders we might be just fine with Jack doing what he does.

I actually think in Arfield and Jack we have two very good midfielders, we're just missing that final piece of the puzzle centrally and I think we need to strengthen in the wider areas.
We must have about 5/6 midfielders who want to play no6 position. Absolutely crying out for a no8 and a no10 to be added to the squad.

There is no way that 2 guys like SG and GMcA who both performed at the highest levels in the engine room haven't identified that area as our weakest.
 

Calico Jack

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See if Ryan Jack is such an excellent player why was he at aberdeen to the age of 26 and only been capped 3 times in the worst scotland set up in decades?
Because he is not utilized as per his capabilities, strengths. I would hazard to say.

Was he not played at LB for Scotland?
 

RFCest1872

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He's a defensive midfielder not a attacking mid. He's the type to do the stuff that goes unnoticed would have him in team before Coulibaly.
 

Dr Emmet Brown

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Ideal situation is a Championship club pays couple of million for him and we can upgrade in midfield.

Dorrans fit as well soon hopefully.
 

shawlandsbear

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Ryan Jack is an excellent player, but like many, is written off after a bad result.

I don't think we'll see his full potential until there is far better player's around him.
Surely if he’s excellent he would shine regardless?
I think he’s pretty shite,never rated him
 
Not Ryan jacks biggest fan think he’s got the easiest job on the park imo but in saying he’s had some really good games this season like the Maribor at home and Aberdeen away he was outstanding I just think Ross mcrorrie is our best option in there would also like to see rossiter play in there to but a think rossiter could also play further forward with arfield which is our best midfield at present just think mcrorrie has bullied the mhanks in the past also ie parkrad 0-0 game
 

Michael Mols

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I think the other 2 are worse to be honest. Can at least that Jacks doing a job. Ejaria and Coulibaly offer nothing and constantly give the ball away.
 

Chester Perry

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I’d like to see Jack have the shackles removed, he’s performing his job but when the two in front can contribute anything meanful Jack should be man enough to step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck
 

RFC4ME

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A lot of this is incredibly knee jerk on the back of a dreadful performance across the board.

Jack is a perfectly capable holding player who keeps the ball moving at a decent pace and oft affords his team mates an option.

We lost to Aberdeen, it was a game, there have been loads of games this season when Jack has excelled he has been one of our better performers in Europe where games tend to better marry with the tools he brings to the table.
 

Bearinabluehose

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Some amount of hysteria on here over a bad result ... defeats happen off nights happen the need to blame individuals or question the decisions to let players leave is bat shit crazy on here .!
 

TCWNS1872

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He's good at breaking up play (without being an out and out ball-winner) and recycling possession, especially in tight areas. He can't be expected to take responsibility for driving the team forward. That is an unrealistic and unfair expectation of him.
 

Northhiglander

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We have this thread every week no matter how he is paying. Coulibaly has been rank rotten for ages yet no threads critical of him. Just the usual suspects with he usual uniformed opinions. Against hte sheep the whole team was poor. But the manager more than most as we used the same tactics for the third time this season. Didn't work and wont work against them.
 
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