Scotland's top 10 co-efficient hanging by a thread.

Simple truth is beyond us (and to a degree them), our teams have contributed bugger all, yet we have comparatively sized leagues with different teams regularly reaching the knockouts, particularly now the Conference league is a thing.

Aberdeen and Hearts should be embarrassed at how they performed when gifted a group slot via us, considering the likes of Austria, Switzerland, Belgium and the Czech Republic are managing to get their 3rd/4th placed teams competing post Christmas in Europe
The teams in the countries you mention are bigger teams with more money (usually from TV) than Aberdeen and Hearts. How do you expect Hearts to get out a group with Fiorentina and Istanbul (who won the group) for example?
 
Is there not a points drop off thing UEFA do?
Does that hinder or help next season?
There is. And unfortunately for Scotland our highest year in the five year rating, 9.75, is dropping off. Worse, none of our closest rivals are losing anything like that. This is a great site for all European competition info.

 
Must win the league this season , really dont want those bastards benefiting from us doing well and getting into the CL once again ,they have benefited the last 2 yrs on the back of our performance in europe
That's the sickening part!
 
Pretty much.

Once we lose that safety net of one our teams being guaranteed conference group stage football via losing a Europa playoff, it’ll be hard not to see the rest of Scottish football reverting to type and going out in the qualifiers.
Correct. The automatic group stage qualification is a Rangers-given gift.
 
I'm not totally against this. We will qualify for these competitions even without automatic entry. Celtic will not
 
Introduction of the conference league spelled the end for Scotland as a top 10 nation. We we will continue to slip down the table for another few years before we find our place.
This is true.

We aint asking much from the likes of Celtic, Hears, Hibs, Aberdeen etc. Just to match the clubs in Czech Republic.

That is too much to ask though from those collection of diddies.
 
There is. And unfortunately for Scotland our highest year in the five year rating, 9.75, is dropping off. Worse, none of our closest rivals are losing anything like that. This is a great site for all European competition info.

Our fall down the table will be dramatic in the next few years. We’re struggling to keep up with loads of countries currently below us.
 
Being perfectly honest, having 3 teams left by March is incredible. Only Italy, England, Spain and Germany have more. It’s shite, but sometimes you’ve just got to accept something impressive. Hopefully they all get knocked out in the next round (Sparta by us), and we can pick up another 4 or 5 wins.
 
Our fall down the table will be dramatic in the next few years. We’re struggling to keep up with loads of countries currently below us.
As always with the countries outside the top eight or nine, once countries get a fifth club able to participate in european football, it's usually an anchor until they go back to four. Conference League has just made it worse as a lot of leagues will have at least one club participating in the Conference League group stage.



Serbia have had four european spots for the last few seasons but they had five for this campaign. They will finish 45th out of 54 countries for coefficient this season and be stuck with 1.400 points for this season for the next few years and go back to four spots in the 2025-2026 season. Most won't be that bad, but it's an example of what most countries that only have one or two group stage quality teams have to go through when they get the extra spot. Us making the Europa League final and then winning our europa league group has really steadied what could have already been a massive drop.
 
I can’t say I’ve seen Plzen to know how they play but I’d be surprised if they were favourites against them. The point was - they could well score 0 between them, it largely depends on the draw.
Ajax 11/1 to win the tournament, Plzen 18/1, so yes , you'd imagine Ajax would be favourites in a head to head.

As an aside, we're 33/1 to win the EL, ahead of Qarabag, Freiburg and both Prague teams, so let's hope the draw is kind and the bookies are right!
 
Must win the league this season , really dont want those bastards benefiting from us doing well and getting into the CL once again ,they have benefited the last 2 yrs on the back of our performance in europe
Due to other teams abysmal European performances, it always felt like next season was gonna be the last automatic qualification for Scottish champions so it has to be done
 
I'd agree, we don't have strength in depth in our League so the smaller teams can't make the EL and struggle in the Conference League. The thing is budget wise the likes of Aberdeen and Hearts should be able to be competitive, certainly at Conference League level but football in this country is backwards compared to the rest of Europe.

Football?

5 days on and I am still thinking what the hell kind of park did we just play on Sunday.

Until we get grass roots sorted and learn to play football the Levein method will continue.
 
There is. And unfortunately for Scotland our highest year in the five year rating, 9.75, is dropping off. Worse, none of our closest rivals are losing anything like that. This is a great site for all European competition info.

The way it’s going I can see Scotland being outside the top ten for a few years to come.
Most other leagues around our level have two or three teams contributing, we pretty much only have Rangers.
 
As others have pointed out, this will be cyclical for Scotland. When it's just us and the Tims participating, our coefficient will likely rise, but when other teams are involved, it's going to take a hit.

This season we saw Hibs beat St. Gallen, Hearts beat Rosenborg and Aberdeen didn't disgrace themselves in their Conference League group. Those teams probably punched at their own weight (maybe Hearts could have done better vs PAOK)

At least our club coefficient is very good which should help with seedings for qualifiers.
 
This could actually be a good thing for us given the new qualifying rules from next season.

If the CL winners qualify via their domestic league then the automatic slot freed up goes to the highest ranked team in the Champions Qualifying path. As it stands we are much higher than any of the nearest challengers and should get that place.

But Celtic would probably have to go through the qualifiers as other teams higher ranked like Young Boys and Dinamo Zagreb would probably get it ahead of them.
 
Serbia have had four european spots for the last few seasons but they had five for this campaign. They will finish 45th out of 54 countries for coefficient this season and be stuck with 1.400 points for this season for the next few years and go back to four spots in the 2025-2026 season. Most won't be that bad, but it's an example of what most countries that only have one or two group stage quality teams have to go through when they get the extra spot. Us making the Europa League final and then winning our europa league group has really steadied what could have already been a massive drop.
Serbia are the closest to us in terms of set up with two big teams. They had a worst case scenario season because Partizan finished 4th, so the 2nd and 3rd spots were wasted on teams who overperformed in the league and couldn't compete in Europe. And to cap it off for them, Partizan got shocked in the Conference League qualifiers.
 
This season we saw Hibs beat St. Gallen, Hearts beat Rosenborg and Aberdeen didn't disgrace themselves in their Conference League group. Those teams probably punched at their own weight (maybe Hearts could have done better vs PAOK)
Rosenborg finished 9th in the league. 10 points off relegation and 31 off Bodo Glimt. It was a good win, but not what it seemed at the time, it turned out to be a great draw. The fact remains that our 3rd and 4th placed sides can't compete with those from many of the countries below us in the coefficient table and after 6 attempts, none have shown they can qualify without being gifted an automatic place in the groups, which we will lose soon.
 
I'm not totally against this. We will qualify for these competitions even without automatic entry. Celtic will not
we may qualify more often from play off rounds but there are no guarantees,

Since 2000, knocked out at CL qualifing rounds

21/22
11/12
08/09
04/05
01/02


We made it to the group stage 7 times, some of which I suspect were automatic qualification

13 years of possible champions league participation, 6 (almost half) of which we have been knocked out at the play off stages
 
The way it’s going I can see Scotland being outside the top ten for a few years to come.
Most other leagues around our level have two or three teams contributing, we pretty much only have Rangers.
We aren't getting top 10 back for a long time. It took Russia invading Ukraine, Turkey having a rough patch for a few seasons and us qualifying for a european final for us to get in the top 10 for just a couple of seasons in the first place. As it stands, starting next season we are 6.200 coefficient points behind Turkey in 10th and 0.075 behind Switzerland who are 15th.

As nice as automatic qualification for domestic champions in the top ten countries is, top fifteen is the priority, not tenth. The difference between being the 15th ranked country and 16th is massive.

15th starting next season gets you:

1st and 2nd place both entering the Champions League second qualifying round
3rd place or cup winner entering Europa League third qualifying round
3rd, 4th or 5th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round


16th gets you:
1st place entering at the Champions League second qualifying round
2nd place or the cup winner entering at the Europa League first qualifying round
2nd, 3rd or 4th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round
 
Football?

5 days on and I am still thinking what the hell kind of park did we just play on Sunday.

Until we get grass roots sorted and learn to play football the Levein method will continue.
Post 42 is very telling. That's either brilliant scouting or great youth development or as I suspect a combination of both.
 
We aren't getting top 10 back for a long time. It took Russia invading Ukraine, Turkey having a rough patch for a few seasons and us qualifying for a european final for us to get in the top 10 for just a couple of seasons in the first place. As it stands, starting next season we are 6.200 coefficient points behind Turkey in 10th and 0.075 behind Switzerland who are 15th.

As nice as automatic qualification for domestic champions in the top ten countries is, top fifteen is the priority, not tenth. The difference between being the 15th ranked country and 16th is massive.

15th starting next season gets you:

1st and 2nd place both entering the Champions League second qualifying round
3rd place or cup winner entering Europa League third qualifying round
3rd, 4th or 5th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round


16th gets you:
1st place entering at the Champions League second qualifying round
2nd place or the cup winner entering at the Europa League first qualifying round
2nd, 3rd or 4th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round
Aye top 15 is probably a more realistic challenge to be honest pal.
 
We aren't getting top 10 back for a long time. It took Russia invading Ukraine, Turkey having a rough patch for a few seasons and us qualifying for a european final for us to get in the top 10 for just a couple of seasons in the first place. As it stands, starting next season we are 6.200 coefficient points behind Turkey in 10th and 0.075 behind Switzerland who are 15th.

As nice as automatic qualification for domestic champions in the top ten countries is, top fifteen is the priority, not tenth. The difference between being the 15th ranked country and 16th is massive.

15th starting next season gets you:

1st and 2nd place both entering the Champions League second qualifying round
3rd place or cup winner entering Europa League third qualifying round
3rd, 4th or 5th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round


16th gets you:
1st place entering at the Champions League second qualifying round
2nd place or the cup winner entering at the Europa League first qualifying round
2nd, 3rd or 4th place depending on the cup winner entering at the Conference League second qualifying round
Exactly. The top 10 days are a thing of the past from now on. Top 15 is the challenge. Really interesting to see that drop off to 16th.
 
The Scottish Co-efficient twitter page has a strange take on it. Saying that Sparta's result was terrible for Scotlands co-efficient, nope Scotlands co-efficient doesn't change. The results that were bad for Scotlands co-efficient were Aberdeens, Hearts, Hibs, Celtics and not just this season but for the last 5 seasons.

Completely ignoring the failure of our teams and the development of football in this country.

Like someone said Sparta's revenue is no greater than Aberdeen but Sparta seem to progress in Europe. Why is that? That is the question that needs to be asked.

Bodo Glimt have a turnover of 6m - well lower than Aberdeen but Bodo are progressing year on year. Bodo have properly taken more co-efficient points in the last 4 years than Aberdeen have in the last 15.
 
The Scottish Co-efficient twitter page has a strange take on it. Saying that Sparta's result was terrible for Scotlands co-efficient, nope Scotlands co-efficient doesn't change. The results that were bad for Scotlands co-efficient were Aberdeens, Hearts, Hibs, Celtics and not just this season but for the last 5 seasons.

Completely ignoring the failure of our teams and the development of football in this country.

Like someone said Sparta's revenue is no greater than Aberdeen but Sparta seem to progress in Europe. Why is that? That is the question that needs to be asked.

Bodo Glimt have a turnover of 6m - well lower than Aberdeen but Bodo are progressing year on year. Bodo have properly taken more co-efficient points in the last 4 years than Aberdeen have in the last 15.
They are from a country that will produce better footballers. Pretty much it
 
The Scottish Co-efficient twitter page has a strange take on it. Saying that Sparta's result was terrible for Scotlands co-efficient, nope Scotlands co-efficient doesn't change. The results that were bad for Scotlands co-efficient were Aberdeens, Hearts, Hibs, Celtics and not just this season but for the last 5 seasons.

Completely ignoring the failure of our teams and the development of football in this country.

Like someone said Sparta's revenue is no greater than Aberdeen but Sparta seem to progress in Europe. Why is that? That is the question that needs to be asked.

Bodo Glimt have a turnover of 6m - well lower than Aberdeen but Bodo are progressing year on year. Bodo have properly taken more co-efficient points in the last 4 years than Aberdeen have in the last 15.
Spot on, no point focusing on what others do, they need to start asking "why are we so shite in Europe and what can we do about it?"

Trouble is, they won't like the uncomfortable truths behind the answers.
 
Ajax 11/1 to win the tournament, Plzen 18/1, so yes , you'd imagine Ajax would be favourites in a head to head.

As an aside, we're 33/1 to win the EL, ahead of Qarabag, Freiburg and both Prague teams, so let's hope the draw is kind and the bookies are right!
Plzen were one of only 4 teams to gain maximum points in the group stage. Real, City and Leverkusen were the other three. Zagreb, who were second in their group were the only Conference team out of 8 to beat a Europa drop down team, ironically Betis. They would be underdogs but I'd actually fancy them to take care of Ajax, who having improved significantly on early season, still aren't remotely as strong as they were.
 
Spot on, no point focusing on what others do, they need to start asking "why are we so shite in Europe and what can we do about it?"

Trouble is, they won't like the uncomfortable truths behind the answers.
And by "they" I mean the other clubs, SFA and SPFL.
 
The teams in the countries you mention are bigger teams with more money (usually from TV) than Aberdeen and Hearts. How do you expect Hearts to get out a group with Fiorentina and Istanbul (who won the group) for example?
Same way we put out the likes of Dortmund, Leipzig etc al in recent Europa league games?
 
Plzen were one of only 4 teams to gain maximum points in the group stage. Real, City and Leverkusen were the other three. Zagreb, who were second in their group were the only Conference team out of 8 to beat a Europa drop down team, ironically Betis. They would be underdogs but I'd actually fancy them to take care of Ajax, who having improved significantly on early season, still aren't remotely as strong as they were.
I don't disagree about Ajax. I watched them last night and they were beyond fortunate to beat Bodo Glimt, who had by far the better chances. Plzen though, are well off the pace in their league, double digit points behind both Prague clubs. I'm just saying that while the Czech clubs have done well, they're not world beaters and it wouldn't be a massive shock if, depending on the draw, all 3 went out in this round. They'd be underdogs against quite a few potential opponents. It could of course go the other way and they get lucky, so let's just see how it pans out before worrying too much.
 
But everyone on here wants them all to lose all the time, F*ck the Co-efficient they say.

Damn right, screw the coefficient. I lost count of how many fellow scots, who don't support Rangers, who revelled in telling me they wanted Frankfurt to win in Seville. Didn't have any bearing on whether we won the game or not.

As a fan, I reserve the right to laugh like %^*& when Hibs lose to some absolute jobbers from Andorra. Why there seems to be such a tacit acceptance amongst other supporters of other Scottish clubs of just being shite in Europe, will always mystify me, though. Surely if they want to get better, they should properly aim for improvement!? Outwardly, it appears like they don't really give a shit, and they don't put any pressure on their club to address it.
 
But everyone on here wants them all to lose all the time, F*ck the Co-efficient they say.

If you think I want Rangers haters to win at anything, then think again. And yes, fcuk the co-efficient.

I only want a Rangers team that is routinely competent in Europe.

The sickening thing is the filth have gained financially from our doing well in Europe and then further bad management with managerial appointments that saw us fail so miserably domestically.

This time we seem to have got it right.

We need to win this league and take care of ourselves.

Fc-uk the rest.
 
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