Scumbag Darren Malloch mocking the Ibrox disaster

Jeff Portnoy said:
I have no idea what you are on about with the no comebacks thing - it's boring as well.

Lay of the capital letters as it makes you look mental.

Goodnight and good luck in your business of self employment with no comebacks - whatever that means.

Peace.

Out.
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I think the point is if an employer can dismiss someone without following process and there are no comebacks then that is a dangerous place for us to be, not specifically in this case although it will apply here too.
 
This was explained two days ago. He will have been Summarily dismissed. It will be looked upon by the employer as a gross misconduct that brings his work place and colleagues into disrepute and danger. God knows where the "comeback" crap came from but the company will be water tight. When you are a project manager, being recorded being a sick cnut mocking the deaths of 66 men woman and children for all to see kinda fcks you right over as does the previous on his socials.

If he wasn't such a sick w@nker he'd still have a job,nobody would know or care who he was and he wouldn't be the talk of the streamie. Let's not confuse things with opinions on could should and maybe. His sacking is justified and it is legal.
 
Mickethius said:
I think the point is if an employer can dismiss someone without following process and there are no comebacks then that is a dangerous place for us to be, not specifically in this case although it will apply here too.
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People can get fired on the spot for for gross misconduct.

I’m pretty confident that gaining national notoriety for being caught mocking the death of 66 people, including children will be covered under gross misconduct.
 
Mickethius said:
I think the point is if an employer can dismiss someone without following process and there are no comebacks then that is a dangerous place for us to be, not specifically in this case although it will apply here too.
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It's fairly standard in most people's terms of employment. If the guy was an off duty police officer he'd be suspended immediately pending investigation, private companies on the other hand have profits and by extension, reputation to look after.
 
PolmontLoyal1872 said:
Usually followed up by how we do it in a lesser competition, completely forgetting they’ve been bombed out that early every time along with being knocked out all three in the one season.
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The best ones are “x team will definitely knock them out” every single time. One time I seen a scum fan posting sensibly that they say it all the time but we just know how to get results in Europe and he was hounded.
 
bigdish77 said:
And how does questionable posts towards all things Rangers and our fans prove a religious element? Are Rangers a religion? People don't half talk a lot shite on here
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Quite the claim from someone who has offered a few hundred posts over 6 years of being a member.

You've actually been led to his posts about "orange bastards" but seem determined to argue to the contrary.

There’s a certain whiff about your posts.
 
Vincent Pincent said:
People can get fired on the spot for for gross misconduct.

I’m pretty confident that gaining national notoriety for being caught mocking the death of 66 people, including children will be covered under gross misconduct.
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I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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If an employee has been there less than two years, they don't have a leg to stand on.

I've no idea how long Malloch was an ACS employee. But if it's true that their vans were being vandalised and the bosses were unhappy about the adverse publicity, they probably squared him up with a month's wages and told him to go quietly.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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A lot of Project Managers, Project Engineers etc are self employed on a Ltd Company basis. If that's the case here, then he's gone In the blink of an eye.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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Dismissals with and without notice - Dismissals - Acas

What notice and an employee should get when they're dismissed and dismissal without notice for gross misconduct.
www.acas.org.uk www.acas.org.uk

An employer can dismiss an employee without giving notice if it's because of gross misconduct. This is when an employee has done something that's very serious or has very serious effects.

The employer must have followed a fair procedure.

When an employee is dismissed for gross misconduct, they:

  • leave immediately
  • do not have a notice period
  • do not get paid notice pay
 
sheddensbear said:
Our board needs an "adviser" to help them in certain areas, especially communication, after events like Sunday. Somebody like David Edgar or Mark Dingwall, people who "know the score".
We should have treated events on Sunday in the same way Celtic would have reacted, no comment about anything. When they had their unacceptable banner v Aberdeen, did Celtic officially react ? Did they comment on missiles thrown at our players at Parkhead.
Did Swinney comment ? If not, ask why not.
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The Fan Advisory Board should be this conduit IMO.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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I have fired several people on the spot over the years, always for Gross Misconduct, and always when I have documented evidence to support it (video or paper trail).

The dismissal has been immediate to get them off the premises before they can do any more damage or interfere with any legal processes or colleagues.

There is always a process to be followed but that can frequently come after the dismissal.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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I've worked in two places where it has happened.

The due process is that you have met the criteria for dismissal due to gross misconduct.
 
Vincent Pincent said:
People can get fired on the spot for for gross misconduct.

I’m pretty confident that gaining national notoriety for being caught mocking the death of 66 people, including children will be covered under gross misconduct.
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I’m really not sure on the severity of it, I know what we think and I know what I would like the boy to suffer. ACAS would be advising his company to suspend and investigate! Either way he’s a scumbag
 
Mickethius said:
I’m really not sure on the severity of it, I know what we think and I know what I would like the boy to suffer. ACAS would be advising his company to suspend and investigate! Either way he’s a scumbag
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They would. But a decent employment lawyer would advise the company to dismiss immediately, as there’s a risk of criminal proceedings, in which case the police seize everything, and they have to continue to employ him on full pay until the case is concluded - which could take over a year.

Gross misconduct can permit summary dismissal, which appears to be what’s happened here.

Bringing the company into disrepute (including indirectly causing damage to company property) is gross misconduct.

If the company has a code of conduct governing employee behaviour, he’ll have breached that too.

Plenty of grounds for instant dismissal.
 
academical said:
They would. But a decent employment lawyer would advise the company to dismiss immediately, as there’s a risk of criminal proceedings, in which case the police seize everything, and they have to continue to employ him on full pay until the case is concluded - which could take over a year.

Gross misconduct can permit summary dismissal, which appears to be what’s happened here.

Bringing the company into disrepute (including indirectly causing damage to company property) is gross misconduct.

If the company has a code of conduct governing employee behaviour, he’ll have breached that too.

Plenty of grounds for instant dismissal.
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This is true .

Companies need to follow a fair process which includes an investigation - an investigation can be done quickly with a pause to consider then dismiss the same day

You can’t just pull someone in an office and fire them without showing evidence and giving reasonings - that would be considered unfair
 
Can only assume he isn't going to be arrested for this, given the police have known about it for 4 days now.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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He will have been suspended- pending investigation- but the investigation may have been carried out on the same day he was suspended (provided he accepted the evidence against him) - he will now be informed he has been dismissed- he will now be in the appeals process when a date to hear his appeal against dismissal will be heard

He remains dismissed until the appeal process is completed
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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You can.

I've done it twice as I explained days ago. One for porn on client systems, the other another issue. If the reputationsl damage and risk is severe to business and its people its a summary dismissal as its cut and dried with not an earthly of appeal. This idiots hatred put him where he is with no right of appeal and not a chance on earth of saving himself.
 
Coopertrueblue said:
I've never known anyone to be fired immediately for gross misconduct.

There is always due process, no matter how serious. In the movies you see employers telling people their sacked immediately, not in real life
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They can and it would seem that he hasnt denied this therefore there is no need for any further investigation. The firm would have been able to draw up the reasons for dismal under gross misconduct write the letter and it's bye bye.
 
Godrup99 said:
You can.

I've done it twice as I explained days ago. One for porn on client systems, the other another issue. If the reputationsl damage and risk is severe to business and its people its a summary dismissal as its cut and dried with not an earthly of appeal. This idiots hatred put him where he is with no right of appeal and not a chance on earth of saving himself.
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On a side note. We’ve got a rocket who sits two rows in-front of us at Ibrox (MFJ). Fuuck knows what he takes, but he’s tuned literally every game he appears for.

Whipped out his phone one time and unlocked it and on came the porn. He was so steaming, he couldn’t get the porn off.

Everyone close-by could see him trying to hit the ‘x’ at the top to close it. But close it would not.

He didn’t return for a while after that.

Mad-man.
 
SG_8 said:
On a side note. We’ve got a rocket who sits two rows in-front of us at Ibrox (MFJ). Fuuck knows what he takes, but he’s tuned literally every game he appears for.

Whipped out his phone one time and unlocked it and on came the porn. He was so steaming, he couldn’t get the porn off.

Everyone close-by could see him trying to hit the ‘x’ at the top to close it. But close it would not.

He didn’t return for a while after that.

Mad-man.
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Hero
 
SG_8 said:
On a side note. We’ve got a rocket who sits two rows in-front of us at Ibrox (MFJ). Fuuck knows what he takes, but he’s tuned literally every game he appears for.

Whipped out his phone one time and unlocked it and on came the porn. He was so steaming, he couldn’t get the porn off.

Everyone close-by could see him trying to hit the ‘x’ at the top to close it. But close it would not.

He didn’t return for a while after that.

Mad-man.
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I remember being at the European game vs Ufa during Gerards first season. Was in my Govan Rear with my mate. Just before kickoff this guy in his 20s appeared next to us out his tree (think it was coke) thinking my mates seat was his.

He had totally the wrong number and row and was sent on his merry way. Game kicked off, forgot all about him.

Fast forward to about the 40th minute and Im looking at the action down at the Broomloan end and lo and behold I see the guy further down the Govan still looking for his seat!

Did he ever find it? Crosses my mind my time to time...
 
Mickethius said:
I’m really not sure on the severity of it, I know what we think and I know what I would like the boy to suffer. ACAS would be advising his company to suspend and investigate! Either way he’s a scumbag
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I don’t know what they would advise in this specific case but their website specifically states you can be dismissed without notice for gross misconduct.

Dismissals with and without notice - Dismissals - Acas

What notice and an employee should get when they're dismissed and dismissal without notice for gross misconduct.
www.acas.org.uk www.acas.org.uk
 
Vincent Pincent said:
I don’t know what they would advise in this specific case but their website specifically states you can be dismissed without notice for gross misconduct.

Dismissals with and without notice - Dismissals - Acas

What notice and an employee should get when they're dismissed and dismissal without notice for gross misconduct.
www.acas.org.uk www.acas.org.uk
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Isn't this the point here, what constitutes gross misconduct? Bringing the company into disrepute is the obvious one but at tribunal this could be argued, no way am I saying it's not offensive, it 100% is, but to who? Lets speculate that the company doesn't have a clause in their contracts in relation to activities outside work, if the company is as flaky as some suggest then HR corners could have been cut, I had a situation where one of my staff openly criticised company policy and the CEO by way of a comment in a local paper, this is a large utility company supplying millions of people with water and a fully functioning HR department, suspension was immediate pending an enquiry in relation to gross misconduct, I lost due to no mention of bringing the company into disrepute in his contract.

In this case it would be preferable that this cretin just fades away into obscurity.
 
Mickethius said:
Isn't this the point here, what constitutes gross misconduct? Bringing the company into disrepute is the obvious one but at tribunal this could be argued, no way am I saying it's not offensive, it 100% is, but to who? Lets speculate that the company doesn't have a clause in their contracts in relation to activities outside work, if the company is as flaky as some suggest then HR corners could have been cut, I had a situation where one of my staff openly criticised company policy and the CEO by way of a comment in a local paper, this is a large utility company supplying millions of people with water and a fully functioning HR department, suspension was immediate pending an enquiry in relation to gross misconduct, I lost due to no mention of bringing the company into disrepute in his contract.

In this case it would be preferable that this cretin just fades away into obscurity.
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The company clearly feel this meets their criteria of gross misconduct, and were confident enough in their case to instantly dismiss which isn’t the case in your example.

You are adding a fair bit of speculation about the company processes and terms of employment to make the argument that it’s not gross misconduct.

If this guy wants to argue that it’s not gross misconduct he has an opportunity to do that but the company are well within their right to dismiss without notice if they feel the threshold has been met.
 
Vincent Pincent said:
The company clearly feel this meets their criteria of gross misconduct, and were confident enough in their case to instantly dismiss which isn’t the case in your example.

You are adding a fair bit of speculation about the company processes and terms of employment to make the argument that it’s not gross misconduct.

If this guy wants to argue that it’s not gross misconduct he has an opportunity to do that but the company are well within their right to dismiss without notice if they feel the threshold has been met.
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Very fair points, hopefully we never hear from or of him ever again, save his court case.

Take care.
 
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