SD v RFC Judgement

HenningBerg

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Reading between the lines on this judgement and the knowledge of posters on the thread , it seems like a lump sum will inevitably have to be paid to SDI in order to end this painfully long drawn out saga .

It’s not going to be a million but it’s not going to be £10 million either. You’d think a payment of around £5 million will easily cover the 1mill from last season , same for this and next , plus cover the injunction .

As we are losing a fortune every time we lose in court anyway , is it not time to take a step back, pay them the £4 or £5 mill ( roughly) and get shot of these utter parasites once and for all ? The situation can’t continue and I’d rather spend that money getting rid of Ashley and SDI for good than sign another player , for example .

At some point we need to pull up stumps and call an end to the charade .
 

themightyi

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Reading between the lines on this judgement and the knowledge of posters on the thread , it seems like a lump sum will inevitably have to be paid to SDI in order to end this painfully long drawn out saga .

It’s not going to be a million but it’s not going to be £10 million either. You’d think a payment of around £5 million will easily cover the 1mill from last season , same for this and next , plus cover the injunction .

As we are losing a fortune every time we lose in court anyway , is it not time to take a step back, pay them the £4 or £5 mill ( roughly) and get shot of these utter parasites once and for all ? The situation can’t continue and I’d rather spend that money getting rid of Ashley and SDI for good than sign another player , for example .

At some point we need to up stumps and call an end to the charade .
My thoughts on the situation are similar.

Bite the bullet and do what needs to be done to get rid of these utter bastards forever.
 

nybear

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Time to fight a dirty war with SD.

A coordinated effort with Newcastle fans could paralyse some of his stores on a given day... maybe filling baskets, getting loads of items scanned at the check out then walk away - leave them to cancel the scan again to cancel, and then put all the stuff back.

Returns would not work because SD issue credit notes.

Would also be worth doing something at the Frasers store in Glasgow to show the middle class shopper that it's now a glorified SD tat shop.
tried that before and only about 100 of us turned up.
 

TN8

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Reading between the lines on this judgement and the knowledge of posters on the thread , it seems like a lump sum will inevitably have to be paid to SDI in order to end this painfully long drawn out saga .

It’s not going to be a million but it’s not going to be £10 million either. You’d think a payment of around £5 million will easily cover the 1mill from last season , same for this and next , plus cover the injunction .

As we are losing a fortune every time we lose in court anyway , is it not time to take a step back, pay them the £4 or £5 mill ( roughly) and get shot of these utter parasites once and for all ? The situation can’t continue and I’d rather spend that money getting rid of Ashley and SDI for good than sign another player , for example .

At some point we need to pull up stumps and call an end to the charade .
If that was the case then yes, but I dont see anything that says we can get rid of them. It sounds like they have a clause that they get to match whatever other offer we get?
 

El Bufalo

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Reading between the lines on this judgement and the knowledge of posters on the thread , it seems like a lump sum will inevitably have to be paid to SDI in order to end this painfully long drawn out saga .

It’s not going to be a million but it’s not going to be £10 million either. You’d think a payment of around £5 million will easily cover the 1mill from last season , same for this and next , plus cover the injunction .

As we are losing a fortune every time we lose in court anyway , is it not time to take a step back, pay them the £4 or £5 mill ( roughly) and get shot of these utter parasites once and for all ? The situation can’t continue and I’d rather spend that money getting rid of Ashley and SDI for good than sign another player , for example .

At some point we need to pull up stumps and call an end to the charade .
Ashley's goal is to strangle us out of pure spite. I think it's long past being simply about money for him.

It would be great if we could just pay him a lump sum to fuck off but I doubt it will be as simple as that or it will have already happened.
 

deedle

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Time to fight a dirty war with SD.

A coordinated effort with Newcastle fans could paralyse some of his stores on a given day... maybe filling baskets, getting loads of items scanned at the check out then walk away - leave them to cancel the scan again to cancel, and then put all the stuff back.

Returns would not work because SD issue credit notes.

Would also be worth doing something at the Frasers store in Glasgow to show the middle class shopper that it's now a glorified SD tat shop.
Totally agree with this.
 

HenningBerg

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If that was the case then yes, but I dont see anything that says we can get rid of them. It sounds like they have a clause that they get to match whatever other offer we get?
That can’t be the case forever though, there’s a European law against it stated by another poster on this thread .

Remember also we have a man , stubborn as Ashley when it comes to legal matters , our own Mr King . However surely after this latest loss , we must be looking at severing ties with SDI for good by making an approach with what is seen as a reasonable settlement .

It will stick in the craw as they say but will be worth it as long as not exhorbitant.
 

ibroxbound

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Correct me if I'm wrong but we could also owe Elite and Hummel cash as I believe we indemnified them against any losses from the resultant court cases.
 

karanja

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What is bugging me.For the last 2 years I have been buying official merchandise via the gersonline and the Belfast shop. The thought that Ashley will be getting his hands anywhere near my (around a grand) money makes me sick.
Somehow we need to be told if we are to continue buying merchandise from offical sources.
 

alister1972

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Surely it's absolute amateur from us to still sell strips through Gersonline when it looks inevitably it will be going to Ashley?
 

HenningBerg

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What is bugging me.For the last 2 years I have been buying official merchandise via the gersonline and the Belfast shop. The thought that Ashley will be getting his hands anywhere near my (around a grand) money makes me sick.
Somehow we need to be told if we are to continue buying merchandise from offical sources.
This is an example of how the rank and file will feel . I do too . And now people will be extremely reticent to buy anything else until we get some clarity on what is going on moving forward .

We aren’t Newcastle fans - we will boycott again if we feel it’s required . We’ve shown it before .
 

JW1988

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I think this is the issue, a lot of fans don't bother with this side of things.

Said a hundred times and I'll say it again, we as a support do not realise the power we hold collectively.
You’re not wrong
How many sat on their hands when we were nearly sent to oblivion?
We like to call ourselves the best support in the world, that’s simply back patting, we aren’t, we aren’t even near it. We are lazy
 

ShotaShuffle

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What is bugging me.For the last 2 years I have been buying official merchandise via the gersonline and the Belfast shop. The thought that Ashley will be getting his hands anywhere near my (around a grand) money makes me sick.
Somehow we need to be told if we are to continue buying merchandise from offical sources.
The thought has crossed my mind that the reason for the stock shortages isnt down to Hummel.

Its been because the Club have known this was potentially the outcome and trying to minimise the damage at the same time keeping the fans happy.

Risky business. That now looks to have back fired.
 

Bluebrox

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On a more serious note, the Board need to either publicly, or via Club 1872, clarify exactly what the current position is, and what options are open to both the Club and its supporters.

There is so much misinformation around, that the only way the club can properly harness the support to secure the change we all need, is to unambiguously clarify the situation as above. If the support then decide to take whatever action is deemed appropriate, then at least they will be doing so knowing (a) where we are coming from, and (b) where we are going to. And, of course, any such action would not be instructed by the Club, but would be originating from the support itself.

This nightmare has gone on for far too long, and needs ended without further delay.
Whilst you are correct on this, I'm not holding my breath. Our board are not exactly the best at communicating with the fans.
 

ShotaShuffle

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That can’t be the case forever though, there’s a European law against it stated by another poster on this thread .

Remember also we have a man , stubborn as Ashley when it comes to legal matters , our own Mr King . However surely after this latest loss , we must be looking at severing ties with SDI for good by making an approach with what is seen as a reasonable settlement .

It will stick in the craw as they say but will be worth it as long as not exhorbitant.
Thats all good and well.

But this isnt about money.

It never has been
 

HenningBerg

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I doubt that. Loss of revenue would be part of the damages claim. The damages claim in aggregate is limited to £1m.
How much do you reckon to pay them off Marty ( if that’s the inevitable outcome ) .

I’d guess between £2 and £4 million but even if it takes £5 its worth it in the end
 

Maxi1872

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So the whole capped damages at 1 million was a load of sh1te then ?
We tried for it and it got knocked back I belive, it's looking like it's going to be substantially more. Sickening after all this the he's still going to get a huge chunk of our merchandise sale.
 

Marty101

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How much do you reckon to pay them off Marty ( if that’s the inevitable outcome ) .

I’d guess between £2 and £4 million but even if it takes £5 its worth it in the end
I doubt there’s an affordable figure that would pay them off.

Although there’s this cap, that renews when the contract renews.

The contract can potentially renew indefinitely, so for each renewal of the contract we could end up paying £1m.

I doubt Ashley will be interested in any offer therefore - he’ll be too happy just to sit there pulling the legs off the spider like the weird fat bastard he is.

I think we have to treat these cases as a sort of guide to the contract. Now we know what it means and how it works we have to make sure it works for us as far as we can.

I think offers where there is a larger upfront payment by the third party in exchange for a larger share of the sales etc would work for us. If Ashley matches he has to pay cash upfront and he’ll know he would not recoup via the share of sales (whereas a non-Ashley third party would.)

But the question is how far along the line a third party would be prepared to go with this sort of offer.
 

No Money No Problems

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People think we give Ashley £5million and he just rips up the contract and walks away? He doesn't give a %^*& about the money and for him £5million is pocket change. We've already given him £3million to rip up the old contract and into the mess we are in just now.

What we need is clarity from the board, King is in Scotland just now and it should be his duty to try and clarify what this means for us and the club. At least that way it stops the misinformation.
 

kclarkhall

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You’re not wrong
How many sat on their hands when we were nearly sent to oblivion?
We like to call ourselves the best support in the world, that’s simply back patting, we aren’t, we aren’t even near it. We are lazy
I was given stick for choosing to protest at the main doors rather than buy a ticket and sit inside on the night we played Hearts in the snow.

The way fellow Bears spoke to me that night put things into perspective, some people just won't take action.
 

Bluebrox

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People think we give Ashley £5million and he just rips up the contract and walks away? He doesn't give a %^*& about the money and for him £5million is pocket change. We've already given him £3million to rip up the old contract and into the mess we are in just now.

What we need is clarity from the board, King is in Scotland just now and it should be his duty to try and clarify what this means for us and the club. At least that way it stops the misinformation.
Exactly. This is not about money for Ashley. It's personal. It's a game to him. He just wants to stick the knife in as much as possible and for as long as possible. He's loving it. Makes me sick!
 

Super_Rangers72

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Totally agree with this.
Yep, only way to do it.
People miss the point on this though ...it’s not Ashley’s fault, he’s just s ruthless businessman (and a c0ck), but it’s the prev board who signed this (lambias etc). Their fault - if you sign up to something you can’t just walk away. But -and sure they have tried this-should look at personal liabilities for prev board for signing up to this in first place. Such a terrible deal can’t believe it was all ‘above board’.
 

bornabluenose

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I have maintained from the start that the Sandy Lane 'club' has been responsible for this game of theirs.
Whichever way you look at it Ashley and King are in a personal feud that is being played out through the courts.

We all know what Ashley is , an absolute prick of a man.

Any thoughts of amicable solutions are pie in the sky.

He wants to hurt King and the club , it really is that simple.

At this moment in time it looks like he also has the law on his side and I don't see how we extricate ourselves from the situation .
 
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EverGer

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Like many on here who can’t wait to get angry at things. I’m willing to wait until this is all settled before expending any energy on it. It’s frustrating but I have absolutely no clue about law and how this plays out so coming on here and slagging lawyers etc is not something I care to do. I’ll wait until the final outcome and when the club are allowed to speak about it.
 

JW1988

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@JW1988 it is a part of the judgment which says that Rangers can't engineer a third party offer which would be so onerous to SD that they wouldn't be able or willing to match it.
I said that much earlier and was shot down saying that it wouldn’t be possible to have such a clause. Maybe I should be our legal team
 

Cromarty_Blue

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I said that much earlier and was shot down saying that it wouldn’t be possible to have such a clause. Maybe I should be our legal team
It's particularly frustrating given that the original onerous contract we were in with SD (7p in the £ to us, or something crazy like that) appears perfectly legal. Unbelievable.
 

JW1988

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It's particularly frustrating given that the original onerous contract we were in with SD (7p in the £ to us, or something crazy like that) appears perfectly legal. Unbelievable.
Just gotta hope king & co haven’t royally ballsed this up. They were in a tough position I get that, but they’ve basically came out of the pan and into the fire
 

Bluenose1979

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Reading between the lines on this judgement and the knowledge of posters on the thread , it seems like a lump sum will inevitably have to be paid to SDI in order to end this painfully long drawn out saga .

It’s not going to be a million but it’s not going to be £10 million either. You’d think a payment of around £5 million will easily cover the 1mill from last season , same for this and next , plus cover the injunction .

As we are losing a fortune every time we lose in court anyway , is it not time to take a step back, pay them the £4 or £5 mill ( roughly) and get shot of these utter parasites once and for all ? The situation can’t continue and I’d rather spend that money getting rid of Ashley and SDI for good than sign another player , for example .

At some point we need to pull up stumps and call an end to the charade .
There is no lump sum payment to get rid of them. Frankly, unless we paid an astronomical and unrealistic amount, I see no reason to believe SDI would happily shake hands and walk away.

We're past that now, long past it.

They want the control they have written into the terms, all making it their choice how long this "relationship" lasts.

As far as I can see, and I've been saying this for the past couple of years now, they hold all the aces in terms of the contract.

We can and should boycott anything that puts money in MA's pockets, that goes without saying, but it would need to be a long-term and sustained effort to see if it actually makes any difference to their desire to keep us under their cosh.

When King and Co signed the new deal to get out of the 7 year one, they hailed it as a great move that normalised the revenues we were making from sales and urged us to get out and buy kit.

In truth, while the matching clause is the crux of the problem in all this, the shorter term of the new deal made sense, because it at least let us go to market and negotiate better terms more frequently knowing that at worst SDI would have to match them.

It was never an ideal scenario, but there was a logic to it.

The bit I'm less convinced by is the strategy to go and set up this Hummel/Elite deal, which is now biting us on the arse. Reading every court result around it since, it's looked unfathomable that it was ever going to work in our favour and like it was a flagrant breach of the contract we had with SDI - hence a huge risk that we'd end up liable for costs, damages and whatever else may come. Losing this also reinforces SDI's position legally for next time around.

It's definitely looking like we've either taken really poor legal advice or been reckless at a business level.

There's no doubt a fair way to go back and forth in this, but I don't see anything to suggest our case is getting any stronger as we go or more likely to start swinging to our side.

I hope to be wrong, but I am not even close to buying into the "masterplan" idea at all. There's just nothing whatsoever to suggest that's the case.
 

wsb&warmy

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I haven't read through the whole thread so perhaps someone else has suggested what I'm about to:

Surely the damages/loss of earnings claim from Sports Direct can't be using the sales figures for Elite/Hummel to come to a penalty sum, but more an average sales figure from the period when Sports Direct/Puma were the suppliers?

How can Sports Direct claim for millions when the profits they did make and would've continued to make had they supplied the past two seasons merchandise, were very small compared to how the recent sales figures and profits will look like?
 
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