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Can’t see the boycott working still too many narrow minded folk flocking to the Megastore week in, week out.
%^*& Mike Ashley.
%^*& Mike Ashley.
That was what caught my eye. I think we are being forced back to SDI from next season. I think we are being forced to compensate SDI for their losses last season and this season (the Judge described their losses as running into many millions of pounds), Elite are going to suffer losses and will likely sue Rangers. Just in a very quick read so may have understood some of it.
There is very little I can see in that judgement to be in any way optimistic about. A defeat undoubtedly, and a very heavy one at that.
Hopefully my speed read has come to the wrong conclusions. Would welcome @Marty101 opinion on this when he gets the chance.
This is very true unfortunately and reinforces the theories around this all being part of the carve up of our club. Ashley was involved from the outset.Ashley’s empire is so big now, we are just a fart in the wind.
any appeal will be chucked out imo. We have made a right fucking mess of this. I'll be buying the fakes from turkey rather than set foot in any sportd direct shitstore
It’s a total mess regardless.I feel for them a bit here.
Was this particular contract not written after King took over?
King and co aren’t the lawyers.The blinkered view of some that our board cannot be criticised in any way, shape or form is a very dangerous stance to take - and one which actually got us in to this mess way back.
Yes, Ashley is a c.unt - but King and co definitely need to come under scrutiny and be held accountable in certain situations. Have we not leaned anything from recent events in our history ??!
Just tried to read through it again. It seems SD had the right to match Hummels offer of production? I know SD has many brands, but did they really expect to have Rangers playing in Lonsdale branded strips?!? I had presumed it would be for non kit merchandise and retail distribution, but it looks like they wanted the right to manufacture as well?!? Maybe read it wrong, good if someone smarter (not difficult tbh) can clarify or correct.
Just tried to read through it again. It seems SD had the right to match Hummels offer of production? I know SD has many brands, but did they really expect to have Rangers playing in Lonsdale branded strips?!? I had presumed it would be for non kit merchandise and retail distribution, but it looks like they wanted the right to manufacture as well?!? Maybe read it wrong, good if someone smarter (not difficult tbh) can clarify or correct.
It does seem that way, but would Dave King have gone down this route without knowing the worst case scenario? Could it be that he is going through the motions for some other reason?
Appeal it and appoint a competent legal team. It’s a shambles.We are appealing this.
Just tried to read through it again. It seems SD had the right to match Hummels offer of production? I know SD has many brands, but did they really expect to have Rangers playing in Lonsdale branded strips?!? I had presumed it would be for non kit merchandise and retail distribution, but it looks like they wanted the right to manufacture as well?!? Maybe read it wrong, good if someone smarter (not difficult tbh) can clarify or correct.
Sickeningbreaks my heart this stuff. just when the streets of glasgow are finally full of happy bears proudly wearing the kits could end up disaster again. really hope it can be resolved in our favour
This contract superseded the 'placemen' contract. It was signed by King et al.From where I sit, the Learned Judge has gone by the contract written between us and SDI. We all know that SDI had their placemen on Rangers at the time and they were the ones who signed this ridiculous deal. There really is nothing we can do about it until it expires except to mitigate the damage these unscrupulous individuals have caused us. We can appeal everything and wait until we are in a better monetary position before offering SDI a settlement that the fat man can accept. Unfortunately, the Learned Judge can only go by the written contract in front of him and that is his only route.
It does seem that way, but would Dave King have gone down this route without knowing the worst case scenario? Could it be that he is going through the motions for some other reason?
It does seem that way, but would Dave King have gone down this route without knowing the worst case scenario? Could it be that he is going through the motions for some other reason?
Puma.
Fat Mike or SD dont own Puma?!? Or do they?!?
This is very true unfortunately and reinforces the theories around this all being part of the carve up of our club. Ashley was involved from the outset.
I'm being serious.What would you like me to put up?So nothing then? Just as I thought. Either put up or shut up
King might be many things but one thing he is not is stupid,
He said this would take many battles before we free ourselves. He knows that SD will appeal every decision and frustrate the process wherever possible.
The judges comments on how untrustworthy the witness's on both sides were are a clear indication that there are games being played out behind the scenes.
No way King has went blind into this - it would be nice to know what the game is but for obvious reasons those cards will be played close to his chest.
On a side note with everything in lardy boys empire looking shaky there has never been a better time to start to counter attack.
Just tried to read through it again. It seems SD had the right to match Hummels offer of production? I know SD has many brands, but did they really expect to have Rangers playing in Lonsdale branded strips?!? I had presumed it would be for non kit merchandise and retail distribution, but it looks like they wanted the right to manufacture as well?!? Maybe read it wrong, good if someone smarter (not difficult tbh) can clarify or correct.
King might be many things but one thing he is not is stupid,
He said this would take many battles before we free ourselves. He knows that SD will appeal every decision and frustrate the process wherever possible.
The judges comments on how untrustworthy the witness's on both sides were are a clear indication that there are games being played out behind the scenes.
No way King has went blind into this - it would be nice to know what the game is but for obvious reasons those cards will be played close to his chest.
On a side note with everything in lardy boys empire looking shaky there has never been a better time to start to counter attack.
Fūckin outrageous.Yes 2 years and then rolling In that SD can "match" any new offers.
It looks like - to the untrained eye - that the profits made by the Elite deal are going to SDI. So again, no merch money. And yes, it appears we're back to boycotting and being only top flight club in Europe with no merch deal and zero shirt slaesm. And still the fucking judge won't name 'fair price' to buy out the deal. It seems literally infinite in duration.
Our legal team have been fucked without lube. In fact they brought the lube but were ordered not to use it by the judge.
And what about to the trained eye ?
We need to challenge this apparent never ending right of SDI to be the retail partner if they choose to be. Madness.
Every legal opinion on here says we're fucked.And what about to the trained eye ?
An appeal is merely a time delay, Judges very rarely make that big of a mistake in due dilligence of these issues in commercial cases that an appeal judge would completely 360 the decision. Best we can hope for is we can convince an appeal judge to go against some of the finer details in this judgement. Businessmen like King dont become successful by being stupid so he has either had very bad advice here or is playing the long game in which he hopes we both litigate each other into a final submission/monetary divorce settlement. Only problem with that is the fat lady's front bottom has much more money reserves to burn through for lawyers than we do when chasing on field success.
Every legal opinion on here says we're fucked.
Para 76 - "Rangers chose to bundle wholesale distribution rights (which are, as I have found, an Offered Right) together with manufacturing rights as part of a proposed composite deal which subsequently became the Elite/Hummel Agreement. If a separate deal had been concluded in respect of manufacturing rights then SDIR would have had no right to match it. When, however, the right to manufacture was offered as part of a bundle, or deal, or package that also included one or more Offered Rights that right to manufacture became a connected commercial arrangement."
Firstly, fuck SDI and Ashley
The issue is that it's a legally binding document, that was agreed to by all before being signed off - therein lies the fundamental problem.
Forget about us and Ashley for a moment:
Say you had a business that won a contract to supply widgets and gizmos to a certain company. In that contract, you (or your legal team) installed a clause giving you first refusal on any future contracts, all you had to do was meet the bids and terms of the other competitor(s) - it's a no brainer and a 100% win/win for you.
Now, just say that, the company buying your widgets and gizmos decides to ignore the contract and basically say fuck you Jamesy - you'd have their arse in court before they knew it.
You'd hold them to that clause they agreed to* That's just shrewd business.
*whilst they were asking their legal team what the %^*& it was they'd agreed to.
Assuming we don’t win an appeal, and nothing I’ve seem suggests we would, there are only two options:
Embrace sports direct and try and make the relationship work
Find an amount of cash to pay them off
Neither are great options and I doubt SD would take a pay off. It’s a bit of sport for them now
Every legal opinion on here says we're fucked.
How can you 'match' the IP rights that each brand has related to they manufacture their goods? i.e. Nike's Dri-FIT, Hummel's ZERO H20, etc. The products at that point are completely different entities.