Serbian FA request disciplinary action against Xhaka and Shaqiri

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wee bud's pit boots said:
The Serbs were the victims of some of the most barbaric 'war crimes' of the 20th century.
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Yup. I unfortunately went too deep when surfing one night and read some stuff and saw some photos from WW2 committed by the Ustase that I couldn't get out of my mind for weeks. Whilst it doesn't excuse the Serbs you can also see from their point of view why they had such hatred.
 
sudamericaranger said:
The last thread on here regarding the Yugoslav conflict actually had posters seeming to ‘choos sides’ and apportion blame based on who they thought was most catholic. :eek:
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There are no depths to which some people will not stoop to satisfy their prejudices, and many of them will have no idea what they are talking about. I suppose it's much easier to mouth off on an anonymous internet forum; you can be sure that those who said such things would never go and radio or television to make those 'arguments', as they would be humiliated. I would bet the majority on the thread you mention know next to nothing about the tragedy of the Balkans/Yugoslavia. Few people are experts on the subject in this part of the world.

To the issue of the two Swiss players. Whilst it's understandable that they would hold animus towards Serbia, given their Kosovan heritage, they will know better than anyone how dangerous it can be to start political controversies in relation to the Balkans. It isn't for me or anyone else to tell them what they should do, but its a risky game and one they might come to regret.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
It was either April to Jun, 1941 (or 1942; I've misplaced the book) 120,000 Serbs were massacred by Croats, who were roped in by the Nazis as the local hired help.

In terms of timescale and per head of population it was the biggest (if that's the word I'm looking for) religious massacre of the 20th Century.

PS< the book was 'The Vatican's Holocaust' by Avro Manhatten.

Try it, it will put the Serbs' grievances in perspective.
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Aye I'm pretty well read up on it. As I say there's a lot of cnutish behaviour all over the world all through the ages.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
It was either April to Jun, 1941 (or 1942; I've misplaced the book) 120,000 Serbs were massacred by Croats, who were roped in by the Nazis as the local hired help.

In terms of timescale and per head of population it was the biggest (if that's the word I'm looking for) religious massacre of the 20th Century.

PS< the book was 'The Vatican's Holocaust' by Avro Manhatten.

Try it, it will put the Serbs' grievances in perspective.
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A Roman Catholic-Muslim-Fascist alliance versus the Orthodox Serbs.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
It was either April to Jun, 1941 (or 1942; I've misplaced the book) 120,000 Serbs were massacred by Croats, who were roped in by the Nazis as the local hired help.

In terms of timescale and per head of population it was the biggest (if that's the word I'm looking for) religious massacre of the 20th Century.

PS< the book was 'The Vatican's Holocaust' by Avro Manhatten.

Try it, it will put the Serbs' grievances in perspective.
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Against the Muslim Bosnians and Kosovans? Croatian war crimes were not their fault. It's an absolute minefield of a region, filled with the blood of innocent people. Folk would need to spend years studying Balkan history to fully understand it.
 
Dbear 65 said:
Too complicated for me, I'll get the international politico expert poet in the work to dumb it down cos I know he'll have an educated non biased take on the whole thing.
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Good idea, but only do that once you've read all the 'educated non biased' explanations on here. Your head will be spinning by the time you've heard both sides :D

I think what this forum needs is a debate on Kashmir. No Catholics involved, sadly, but Pakistan are Muslims, so our dear friends can advise us how the problem is all their fault and that we should support India. :D

We also need a debate on the the civil wars in Sub-Saharan Africa. Trouble is some of those may involve Catholics fighting Muslims, so who will our geopolitical experts tell is in the wrong??? :D

I'm gonna toss a coin: heids I'm supporting the Catholics; tails it's the Muslims. After the coin toss we choose ends before we slaughter each other in the name of an old man in the sky.
 
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Do not think anyone on this thread can understand the politics and divides of the Balkans. I have lived here in Croatia for best part of a quarter of my life and can tell you that it is the most screwed up part of the world. I have friends from all sides and even they cant explain it!
 
JamesBaldwin said:
Ah the Catholics and the Muslims. FF's favourite evildoers; the go to bogeymen. If in doubt, pin all the world's problems on them. It's never that simple in reality, particularly in the Balkans, is it?
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Amazing how people try to read something into what was just a statement! I don't take sides on that conflict, however I am happy to state that those two branches of the Abrahamic religions are absolutely vile.
 
Eugene Fraxby said:
Amazing how people try to read something into what was just a statement! I don't take sides on that conflict, however I am happy to state that those two branches of the Abrahamic religions are absolutely vile.
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All religions are absolutely vile. Killing/hating people in the name of an imaginary friend is absolutely vile.
 
Eugene Fraxby said:
Amazing how people try to read something into what was just a statement! I don't take sides on that conflict, however I am happy to state that those two branches of the Abrahamic religions are absolutely vile.
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The three main branches of Abrahamic religion are Christian, Islam and Judaism. Catholicism is Christianity, not just Church of Rome.
 
What's going on in this thread? Seems like sour grapes from the Serbian FA to me - but I'm not an expert on Balkan history to be fair.
 
JamesBaldwin said:
All religions are absolutely vile. Killing/hating people in the name of an imaginary friend is absoloutely vile.
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I'm an atheist however some religions have a far worse record than others. Tbh I've got far more respect for some of the ancient religions that weren't hellbent on expanding and forcing their beliefs on others, even though I also think their supernatural beliefs are a load of nonsense. For example, Indonesia shouldn't be mainly muslim, The Philippines shouldn't be mainly Roman Catholic, and Africa shouldn't have had both of those religions forced on them.

Anyway I'm actually chuckling at myself now for getting sucked into the off track nature of the thread so I'll shut up now :D (apart from the one more reply below)
 
Nothing wrong with politics and football “mixing.” That’s life. That’s the nature of individuals, sport, community and competition.

That being said, the Serbs are every amateur historian’s punching bag and the celebrations in question were certainly tacky & tasteless.

Not to mention they could’ve played for the teams that apparently mean so much to them if they wanted to.
 
subversive_bear said:
Those pesky Kosovan hunks panty-wetting over a genocide that occured more than twenty years ago ffs.
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Muslim cucks, beta males. Any so called man who can't accept a civil war and slaughter with just a shrug of the shoulders isn't a man in my book. I know this from my comfortable life a couple of thousand miles away, as I'm telling you on my high speed broadband. Genocide you say - I'm out of wine. Some of us have real problems.
 
The Serbs are happy to celebrate cowardly football hooligan bastards who took advantage of a civil war and who specialised in raping and slaughtering defenceless women and children but shat it from real Soldiers, fu.ck them.
 
Calderwoodloyal said:
Oh aye. Bears were so very well received in Belgrade. Cesspit.
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I got on OK. I don’t recall any problems.

Most people I spoke to, Red Star/Partizan, suggested that the poets wouldn’t be welcomed with open arms. Not happened yet, but their day will come ;-)
 
JamesBaldwin said:
Against the Muslim Bosnians and Kosovans? Croatian war crimes were not their fault. It's an absolute minefield of a region, filled with the blood of innocent people. Folk would need to spend years studying Balkan history to fully understand it.
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How many years did you spend studying it?
 
Woodrow Call said:
Aye I'm pretty well read up on it. As I say there's a lot of cnutish behaviour all over the world all through the ages.
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Can you recommend a book that is quite neutral and gives an overview of the situation? Not saying o e book will give the whole history etc as i realise its a very complex issue/ conflict but just to get a feel for it. Anthony Beevor has done some hreat stuff on WW2 wish he would do similar with this. Anyway...any tips would be appreciated. Cheers
 
JamesBaldwin said:
None, same as every big mouth on here who nonetheless make their assertions of historical causes, events and analysis with the confidence of AJP Taylor. How about you?
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I haven't studied this subject, but then I'm not the one having a pop at posters who dare to hold a view on this conflict.

You stated yourself it would take years of study, so why not do that instead of thinking you get to stand in judgment if others?

You have the front to call people loudmouths but here you are attempting to lecture people on a subject you admit not to knowing about.
 
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