Six months of hard work blown inside three weeks

Amatosarrow

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We need to sell Tav, Goldson and Morelos and if possible Kent who has been a horrific waste of money.
We have too many serial losers in this team. I don’t think the Board have money to remove SG and bring in another manager.
However it isn’t looking good with SG he never learns from his mistakes and doesn’t know how to play against defensive teams.
This is a post that suggests that our big spends have been ill conceived. Unfortunately, I think that's the case. Each player, at certain times has been fantastic but there is no consistency, and no sign of better yet to come. poor stuff from all four tonight.
 

47blue

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You don’t win at Scottish football playing this faux Barca hipster coach thing.

Even Lennon’s worked that out, FFS!
I get the impression we are a bit snobbish tactically. We collapse when teams get in our face. Who or where is our defensive midfielder?
 

47blue

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It's been a long time since I have been this disappointed in a group of players and coaches. I really thought we would win the league this year.
I would settle for giving the tarriers a run. Like yourself I am bitterly disappointed. No man including Gerrard is above criticism
 

bigmarvloyal

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Need the scum to lose three games and us win every one of ours? I really am struggling to see that happening if i’m honest. Sickened!
 

usbear

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League's done. It's over. Celtic will win this league by double figures in April.

That second half performance from all concerned was diabolical. Not a single pass mark. Not a single player wanting it enough. Too busy fannying about to kill the game off.

There isn't a supporter on here who will be fooled by the calvary charge at 80 minutes when it's 1-1. There isn't a supporter on here who wasn't screaming for a change before hand when we were losing every single loose and second ball in the middle of the park.

Mentally ? This team don't have it post winter break. The serious stuff starts and we absolutely cave in. Meanwhile the Yahoos have a nice wee procession of 3, 4 and 5 goal humpings against the same set of teams we're toiling against. Watch them rack up another cricket score on Sunday at a place we routinely struggle at.

To drop two points tonight would've hurt. To lose all three from where we were at 76 minutes is unacceptable.
spot on mate

they should be fn ashamed of themselves
 

BrunoBear

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Not sure what to say or where we go from here

Baffling, soul destroying & gut wrenching

Wide awake just wondering Wtf
All the talk of Gerrard leaving and us bringing someone else in is melting my head, I'd imagine we're talking a fortune for a start
 

Jed jed1

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Not sure what to say or where we go from here

Baffling, soul destroying & gut wrenching

Wide awake just wondering Wtf
I’m same as yourself I can’t fathom it out, where did our high pressing game, tight control of the ball & swagger we had pre winter break go to, we just seem bereft of any fight or passion the now, how has this happened in such a short space of time
 

crmpicco

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All the talk of Gerrard leaving and us bringing someone else in is melting my head, I'd imagine we're talking a fortune for a start
Gerrard isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but even the most blinded bear can see it's not looking good for him.
 

Danger Zone

Just the tip...
Gerrard can point to European results plus a year on year improvement in the squad.

Bottom line for me is that we dont have the money to put together a title winning squad against a rival with about 50% more spending power and a squad that is far deeper and more experienced.

They need to screw it up probably more than we need to over-perform. Expecting it given the circumstances is to expect the unexpected.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect us to stay with them beyond January, or to get a squad together that can beat the likes of Hearts and Kilmarnock when Morelos isn’t firing.
 

barrheadbear

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It is inexcusable and I for one don’t want to hear anything that Gerrard has to say tonight,

He should just leave the post match stuff because there are no words to describe the utter dross that his ‘leaders’ have just served up.
Agreed. SG has been saying the same crap for the past month, that we're not playing well, etc but nothing changes, he is getting no positive response from his players. Just wonder if SG superstar lustre is starting to lose its sparkle with the players.

Not remotely asking for SG's head but something ain't right within the club, we cannot go from the high of 29 December to the current low and believe everything is fine.
 

Torque_87

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Truly depressing situation we are in once again. First half of the season we had a level of consistency required of a title winning team. Fast forward to now, just a few games later and we are a shadow of that side and look like we are going to finish miles behind.
 

crmpicco

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What do we do then?
I honestly don’t know mate. I think we just have to hope it gets better...and Gerrard and Tavernier’s interviews after the game suggest they are doing the same.
Gerrard has taken us forward but he’s taken us as far as he can. Another cash injection and someone else to get us back lifting trophies is what we need.
 

barrheadbear

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That’s why I can’t get my head around.
A great first half to the season and then for the second year in succession, we buckle when faced with teams who want to have a fight.
That is the concern. As hard as last years post Winter break collapse was to take, at least we all thought lessons were learned and therefore could ensure we hit ground running from the off this time around. However even our first game back, against lowly Stranraer, set alarm bells ringing, a quite dreadful performance, quickly followed by more of the same, week in week out. In fact results and performances even poorer than this time last season.

We are a team that fights hard to get near the summit but hasn't the bottle or character to take the final steps to get on top. We need to fill our side with winners, battlers, not bottlers - until we do that success will remain elusive.
 

crmpicco

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I never thought I’d live to see Celtic come anywhere near winning ten league titles in a row. But that’s the very scenario we are on the precipice of right now. To the bears that say it doesn’t count or matter then I wonder what does matter to you.
 

barrheadbear

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We were so slow and sloppy in the second half, we needed a change around the 55/60 minute mark. Hagi was doing nothing, Kent was invisible. Aribo just coasting we needed more, this is why we have a bench we need to utilise our options a lot more. I have to agree the league is gone through our own failings. Absolute gutting.
Hagi, Aribo and Kent are our creative players, the ones with responsibility to make a difference, our game winners, and tonight they would have been better sitting beside me on my sofa watching for all the impact they made.

Gutted doesn't even come close to describing how I feel right now. Oh well another season of being 1st among the losers.
 

SenoraCuellar

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I dont understand the bottling thing. It happens every year yet we have different players. There must be something wrong in the background.
 

barrheadbear

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Since the winter break, Celtic have come back at the league with a new formation and style of play that the rest of the league can't handle because it's new and they haven't yet figured out how to counter it. We came back with the same old tactic we've been using for 18 months and they all know how to counter perfectly. It's hardly a surprise that we're falling behind.
There are many among our support of the opinion that TLB would go into meltdown when faced by a challenge from Rangers for the title.

If only it was so but unfortunately the reverse seems to have taken place and he is thriving. Defeat at our hands in December has made him change the teams shape and formation and they now seem unstoppable.

Perhaps SG can learn a valuable lesson from TLB, that formation and team shape can be changed, that a Plan B might bring a freshness and a spark to the side. It is plain for us all to see that our current 433 set up is not working well.
 

wilso10

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We need to sell Tav, Goldson and Morelos and if possible Kent who has been a horrific waste of money.
We have too many serial losers in this team. I don’t think the Board have money to remove SG and bring in another manager.
However it isn’t looking good with SG he never learns from his mistakes and doesn’t know how to play against defensive teams.
This is the kind of idiotic knee jerk reaction nonsense that is symptomatic of this place when the going gets tough.

I don’t want to dissect this post too much but what good does selling, ability wise, our 4 best players achieve when there is currently no guarantee will get any serious money for them?

Also, why sell those 4? Were you saying that 3 weeks ago? With Tav, who missed most of the sh*t we witnessed post winter break why is he being targeted?

Something needs fixed and it needs to happen soon but we need to remain objective in our assessment here and avoid the emotional BS I’ve quoted above.
 

Neilston Unionist

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Since the winter break, Celtic have come back at the league with a new formation and style of play that the rest of the league can't handle because it's new and they haven't yet figured out how to counter it. We came back with the same old tactic we've been using for 18 months and they all know how to counter perfectly. It's hardly a surprise that we're falling behind.

When your tactic gets found out, change it up! This 4-3-2-1 has been well and truly found out. Imagine the panic in the Kilmarnock side if we suddenly played a different system than the one they'd prepared for? But no, we do exactly what they want us to.
We have been playing this formation and style a lot longer than eighteen months. We wonder why we have zero squad depth despite multiple faces in and around the squad. Refusal to adapt or change is the issue and Gerrard is about another bad result away from serious calls for his head and in all honesty, rightly so. Depends on the manner of the way we win nothing now if Gerrard is here or not next season. Very depressing and in my opinion, self inflicted.
 

Parkbear1

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Official Ticketer
Started a thread last week about Kent not doing enough and a few said he's out of form, give him a break etc. This is the crunch time and he has went missing. You can also add our £7m man has no heart to that as well!
 

Crouchy

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League's done. It's over. Celtic will win this league by double figures in April.

That second half performance from all concerned was diabolical. Not a single pass mark. Not a single player wanting it enough. Too busy fannying about to kill the game off.

There isn't a supporter on here who will be fooled by the calvary charge at 80 minutes when it's 1-1. There isn't a supporter on here who wasn't screaming for a change before hand when we were losing every single loose and second ball in the middle of the park.

Mentally ? This team don't have it post winter break. The serious stuff starts and we absolutely cave in. Meanwhile the Yahoos have a nice wee procession of 3, 4 and 5 goal humpings against the same set of teams we're toiling against. Watch them rack up another cricket score on Sunday at a place we routinely struggle at.

To drop two points tonight would've hurt. To lose all three from where we were at 76 minutes is unacceptable.
We are a team of bottle merchants.

Folk will Dress the Europa League pish up all they want, when it comes to it, we shit the bed.

We are perennial losers. We are Celtic of the 90’s.

We laughed hard back then. The shoe is on the other foot now.

We simply don’t have it.
 

GeeGee

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Incredible that is only just over 6 weeks since we turned them over on their own patch by 1 goal going on 4.

I honest thought that result would kick us on to the title. We were playing with swagger and looked twice the the team they were. We looked super fit and ran them into the ground.

Cant get my head around what’s happened since. Thinking the jobs done? We are now looking tired and heavy legged.
 

MB1872

Active Member
We’ve turned into a team that raises there game in europe and against the tarriers like other teams do against us and then drop the standards for the majority of other games and we’ll mever win %^*& all like that. I doubt we’ll win %^*& all with him in charge anyway.
 

MB1872

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Also the same folk that were laughing like %^*& when lennon got the job need to take a long hard look at himself cause he’s shown gerrard how to win things as a manager , wouldn’t surpise me if he done a double treble as manager and NO Rangers manager should survive watching there biggest rivals do that
 

GBOY

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I would also put my mortgage on a fantastic post split run leading to "Hey, buy a season ticket, next season is the one, honestly".
Me and the wee fella are on the waiting list, but if the board will not help off the pitch (press, refs) to name but two, They can phucking shove it.
IMO the board are playing a dangerous game with the fans goodwill and it could turn sour pretty quickly.
 

Vader

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We have been playing this formation and style a lot longer than eighteen months. We wonder why we have zero squad depth despite multiple faces in and around the squad. Refusal to adapt or change is the issue and Gerrard is about another bad result away from serious calls for his head and in all honesty, rightly so. Depends on the manner of the way we win nothing now if Gerrard is here or not next season. Very depressing and in my opinion, self inflicted.
I agree, it's been since Warburton arrived. At first, it blew sides away, they had no answer to it. Then St Johnstone pummelled us and everyone saw how to beat us. We'd effectively already won the Championship by that point because of the good start, so we kind of accepted it, assuming it was a dip in form as the players weren't fully mentally up for it having already all but secured promotion. But it was probably us being found out as it continued under Warburton and then Pedro.

Gerrard breathed a bit of new life into the formation; it honestly seems like Gerrard is better at identifying centre halves and setting up a defence, but the formation still leaves them exposed on the counter.

Neil Lennon is not too proud to switch it up, Gerrard had better have a long hard think about the same thing now. We're all getting fed up of watching the same matches over and over, with us struggling to break down sides that are sitting deep, time wasting, and hitting us on the counter.
 

david1982

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There are many among our support of the opinion that TLB would go into meltdown when faced by a challenge from Rangers for the title.

If only it was so but unfortunately the reverse seems to have taken place and he is thriving. Defeat at our hands in December has made him change the teams shape and formation and they now seem unstoppable.

Perhaps SG can learn a valuable lesson from TLB, that formation and team shape can be changed, that a Plan B might bring a freshness and a spark to the side. It is plain for us all to see that our current 433 set up is not working well.
Gerrard would be thriving also if he had been given a league cup due to refereeing incompetence and had his starting 11 exempt from being officiated properly
 

Jaws II

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This is the kind of idiotic knee jerk reaction nonsense that is symptomatic of this place when the going gets tough.

I don’t want to dissect this post too much but what good does selling, ability wise, our 4 best players achieve when there is currently no guarantee will get any serious money for them?

Also, why sell those 4? Were you saying that 3 weeks ago? With Tav, who missed most of the sh*t we witnessed post winter break why is he being targeted?

Something needs fixed and it needs to happen soon but we need to remain objective in our assessment here and avoid the emotional BS I’ve quoted above.
Those 4 best players have won nothing and have achieved nothing. I have been saying This about Tav since the Hibs cup final.
A captain drags his team over the line in vital matches like Lego does with them. Tavernier crumbles as like the rest of the team they can’t deal with the pressure of being consistent.
How any Rangers fan isn’t emotional with a near decade of winning %^*& all I don’t know. Right now we are a better version of Warburton’s team.
We play a system with an attacker and two players to either side. These two rarely score and their assists record is poor also.
It is the fault of Gerrard not to realise his players aren’t good enough to play 433 consistently enough and that he isn’t a good enough manager to change it.
Lennon got gubbed at Parkhead by us, changed to 2 up front and a back 3 and they have won every game since humping teams in the process.

You stay unemotional if you want pal.
 

Jaws II

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Incredible that is only just over 6 weeks since we turned them over on their own patch by 1 goal going on 4.

I honest thought that result would kick us on to the title. We were playing with swagger and looked twice the the team they were. We looked super fit and ran them into the ground.

Cant get my head around what’s happened since. Thinking the jobs done? We are now looking tired and heavy legged.
They are lazy and not used to winning.
They celebrate battles like they have won the war and get complacent. As a result when they get a fight now they crumble.
That Killie manager said he was waiting for us to crash last night and we did.
 

Empire

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Staff member
Not winning the league cup final fucked us more than most imagine. Winning a cup is key before we can win the league.
 

hyndlandloyal

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The buck completely stops at the management team for me. Gerrard is no motivator. Once you get past the superstar factor he comes over as a very dour individual and I do not think he has the personality or intelligence to either motivate by bonding the group, nor the fear factor. I watched a very worrying interview with McAllister on Rangers TV a couple of weeks ago after another shite performance where he talked about the days of "throwing tea cups are over. You dont do that with the modern footballer". Set alarm bells off with me. All top managers have that fear factor in them. That anger and ruthlessness. I do not see that in our manager or McAllister at all.

Also stupid tactical and selection decisions time after time. Last night keeping Hagi on instead of Davis when we were winning. Bloody stupid. Goldson being bombproof while playing with a different partner every week is ridiculous. He has no idea of his best partnership at the back. Ridiculous situation two years in. He just seems to throw mud at the wall hoping something sticks without a plan.
 

Mustang mad

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I think we need to hope gerrard is a gentleman and resigns at the end of the season. We cannot afford to sack him and his staff, while bringing in more players.
He has given us progress but just cant see him taking us the final step.

It may be boring , but we need a manager now who has been in battles at the bottom as well as at the top.
Someone in the mould of Moyes , bruce , Mclaren , allardyce etc.
As i say, folk will feign shock and horror at these names. They know how to win games though with limited players, they make teams better .
Maybe even benitez has made enough money and fancies showing gerrard how it should be done?
 
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