SPFL face post split fixture chaos

As ye sow,so shall ye reap.

A %^*& up from the outset and devalues the "integrity" of the league. Which is strange as "integrity" is their mantra.

Fucking halfwits ruining our game!
 
Realger34 said:
They probably won’t give two f.ucks what thier fixtures are mate, will implode IF we manage to somehow get favourable fixtures out this mess.

All about the Rangers!
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Whilst they care more about us than themselves, they do love a good conspiracy. The slightest hint of an unfair list and they will be frothing at the gash.
 
Ah, so it's "chaos" now is it?

What were they calling it in all those seasons when we had to go to Pittodrie and Tynecastle 3 times?

You'd think St Brendan's Invincibles had been dropping points recently or something.
 
The split is a farce. 2 home and 2 away against every team is the fairest way.

And for selfish reasons I'd rather the whole fixture list was out before the season has started. I'm holding off on making commitments in April/May just now to make sure I'm here for the home games at least.
 
Fairly non-plussed about this to be honest, if anything we would benefit from 5 away given our home form but that won’t happen. It’ll be Killie and Hearts at Ibrox simply because those two are the least likely to kick up a stink about it.

Will be funny to watch the meltdown though. The thread on the Rhecord Twitter is already hoaching with tinfoil hat wearers who funnily enough are conveniently ignoring the responses that we as a club have been shafted by both the split system and fixture scheduling repeatedly over the last 10 years or so.
 
Superrangers said:
I don’t think there is much chance of the tims receiving less than favourable fixtures.
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As it stands their post split fixtures would be

Home Rangers, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock
Away Hearts and Hibs

however it not straightforward so much they could end up with either Hearts or Hibs for 3 time at home or a trip to Aberdeen or Kilmarnock for 3rd time
 
TN8 said:
Ah, so it's "chaos" now is it?

What were they calling it in all those seasons when we had to go to Pittodrie and Tynecastle 3 times?

You'd think St Brendan's Invincibles had been dropping points recently or something.
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There was a post on the old board that showed every year since the split at that time and irafc had only 1 season out of about twelve (since 2001) where they had three aways (I think).

But that was just a coincidence
 
Could you imagine if it was the other way around, we'd be told to get on with it. Fcuk them!!!

As it is, this split is a joke - go back to 18 teams, playing each other twice a season.
 
Our record of 3 times away to one club

2000/01 - Dundee
2001/02 - Dunfemline
2003/04 - Dundee United
2004/05 - Aberdeen
2006/07 - Hibs
2008/09 - Hibs
2009/10 - Dundee United

over the same period and including upto 2011/12 they only went once to a club 3 times - Kilmarnock 2010/11

Since we got voted out of the SPL in 2012 only 3 times

2012/13 Motherwell & Ross County
2014/15 St Johnstone
 
MarkWayneHateley said:
Jesus Christ.

Ian Blair says for 19 years he's been trying to give teams 19 home games and 19 away .

Here's an idea Ian, used the world over , tends to work.

Have two divisions in Scotland, A and B.

Division A has twenty teams, play each other twice , hey presto , 38 matches with 19 home and 19 away .

Division B 22 clubs giving them 42 matches and guess what Ian Blair - yep, 21 home, 21 away.

Three up three down, introduce playoffs same as down south for a fourth promotion/relegation spot, market the game properly , do your fcking job and stop looking off " we must have four old firm games". Look at the bigger picture for once.
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This for me too.

Leave the cup to fate but if they were that worried about 4 Old Firm games, warm balls in the draw will resolve that.
 
Going with past season it’s time the sheep came to us three times. Walter highlighted this when he was manager the number of time season after season it was us that had to visit certain teams a third time and not the filth
 
Why not 3 divisions of 14 teams? 42 teams, same as there is now.

Everyone plays one another home/away = 26 games. That would take us to February, split into top 7 and bottom 7, and resume the league post-split fixtures following a break for a Scottish Cup round.

Top/Bottom 7 play each other home/away meaning another 12 games = 38 in total. Top/Bottom 2 in each division are automatically promoted/relegated with 3rd bottom/top in each respectively playing off over two legs (may have to reduce the relegation places for the bottom league)

Positives:
- Keeps a 38 game season
- Enough promotion/relegation places to ensure incentives for teams after the early split.
- Keeps 4 old firm games a season.
- If there is a title race in any of the division, then the top teams will have more 'tougher' games during the run-in.
 
Staunch Stinson said:
Why not 3 divisions of 14 teams? 42 teams, same as there is now.

Everyone plays one another home/away = 26 games. That would take us to February, split into top 7 and bottom 7, and resume the league post-split fixtures following a break for a Scottish Cup round.

Top/Bottom 7 play each other home/away meaning another 12 games = 38 in total. Top/Bottom 2 in each division are automatically promoted/relegated with 3rd bottom/top in each respectively playing off over two legs (may have to reduce the relegation places for the bottom league)

Positives:
- Keeps a 38 game season
- Enough promotion/relegation places to ensure incentives for teams after the early split.
- Keeps 4 old firm games a season.
- If there is a title race in any of the division, then the top teams will have more 'tougher' games during the run-in.
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One top seven team and one bottom seven team sitting out each week is the problem. How do you plan for the last day? Can't have someone sitting out after playing all their games . It could lead to teams having an advantage in knowing what they need to do either for relegation or the title.
 
BillyA said:
One top seven team and one bottom seven team sitting out each week is the problem. How do you plan for the last day? Can't have someone sitting out after playing all their games . It could lead to teams having an advantage in knowing what they need to do either for relegation or the title.
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Good point. Suppose that could be rectified with an 8-6 (or 6-8) split but does mean a 36 or 40 game league season depending what section you're in. In theory, I suppose teams in the top 'half' are more likely to be involved in Europe and the latter stages of the cup competitions, so I think a 6-8 split could still work.

Also the option for the lower leagues to remain as they are now in 3 leagues of 10 - would just need to add 2 teams to the SPFL.
 
The 14 team league with a 6 - 8 split is the best solution, if we must have a split.

36 games and 40 games makes sense.
 
It's chaos now is it? Funny that. The many many times we've had to go to tough away grounds 3 times a season is never presented as chaos.

And I believe, up until 2012 at least, it was the mentally challenged who were the only club never to have had a certain imbalance of away games. The only team out of all sides who have ever played in the SPL. Strange that too...
 
Home form against top 6:
Played 7
Won 2
Drew 2
Lost 3
8 points

Away form against top 6:
Played 5
Won 3
Drew 1
Lost 1
Points 10

1.14 points per game at home and 2 points per game away. Even if we win our 3 games at home to the top 6 before the split we will have 1.7 points per game.

6 of the points at home came against Aberdeen because they are shit. Hopefully they are one of the teams we get at home.
 
MarkWayneHateley said:
Jesus Christ.

Ian Blair says for 19 years he's been trying to give teams 19 home games and 19 away .

Here's an idea Ian, used the world over , tends to work.

Have two divisions in Scotland, A and B.

Division A has twenty teams, play each other twice , hey presto , 38 matches with 19 home and 19 away .

Division B 22 clubs giving them 42 matches and guess what Ian Blair - yep, 21 home, 21 away.

Three up three down, introduce playoffs same as down south for a fourth promotion/relegation spot, market the game properly , do your fcking job and stop looking off " we must have four old firm games". Look at the bigger picture for once.
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Maybe we're right and all the other leagues throughout the world are wrong! Seriously, the split's a farce.
 
Unfortunately the diddy teams want 4 home old firm games.

Ridiculous situation that you can end up playing the same team 7 or 8 times in a season.
 
Staunch Stinson said:
Why not 3 divisions of 14 teams? 42 teams, same as there is now.

Everyone plays one another home/away = 26 games. That would take us to February, split into top 7 and bottom 7, and resume the league post-split fixtures following a break for a Scottish Cup round.

Top/Bottom 7 play each other home/away meaning another 12 games = 38 in total. Top/Bottom 2 in each division are automatically promoted/relegated with 3rd bottom/top in each respectively playing off over two legs (may have to reduce the relegation places for the bottom league)

Positives:
- Keeps a 38 game season
- Enough promotion/relegation places to ensure incentives for teams after the early split.
- Keeps 4 old firm games a season.
- If there is a title race in any of the division, then the top teams will have more 'tougher' games during the run-in.
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The issue is a team would have wrapped their games up before others, causing a problem potentially in a very tight race.
 
_DON_ said:
The split is just a half-arsed attempt at what the MLS have.

Ideally what a split should be is:
  1. A regular league where you play each other twice for some fans cup.
  2. Then split happens and the points are then set to zero.
  3. The teams that finished bottom during the regular league play each other to stay in the division, with the top teams playing for the championship title.
That format sounds like absolute madness, but that is what a split should involve.

I'd prefer it if we just had a 18-20 team league, playing each other twice.
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Another problem is that we’ve now become so accustomed to having a split that people believe we need one. I don’t think Scottish football is competitive enough for a 16-20 team top tier but think going back to 10 is too small, 12 teams playing each other four times would be monotonous and too many league games considering the revamped league cup.

My preference would be for a 16 team league but realise that means a 30 game season. Slightly stolen this from what the Belgians did a while ago, and realise the obvious flaws but here goes.
After 30 games there is a 3-way split
  • Champions Group - top four from regular season play each other twice. Points halved from regular season and rounded to nearest whole number. Top team after six games wins the league, the rest qualify for europa*
  • European Qualification Group - teams 5th to 12th form two groups of four, split odds/evens from regular season. Points start at zero. Play each other home and away. The teams that top each group have a two-legged play off. Winner enters Europa league qualifiers.
  • Relegation Group - bottom four from regular season play each other twice. Points from regular season halved and rounded to nearest whole number. Bottom two relegated. Third bottom enters play off with team from division below.
  • In total each team will play 36 games, 18 home and 18 away.
Now the obvious flaw is that in recent years the scum have ran away with the league, and prior to that it was a two horse race for 30 odd years, so the teams finishing 3rd down to 7th could be separated by a few points - this could happens anyway with the teams 6th to 9th in the current league.
The team that narrowly escapes relegation play off in 12th could potentially qualify for Europe if they have a good run in their group, which might seem ridiculous to some.
It’s never going to happen, but would mean that every game after the regular season finishes would have some sort of meaning.
*Another flaw is that we don’t do well enough in Europe to warrant more than four clubs across the competitions, but the winner of the European play off could take the place of the team finishing bottom of the ‘champions group’.

Beyond the 16 team top tier I would have 18 in the second tier and regionalise everything beyond that. It would mean the majority of teams in the current ‘league two’ would be dispersed amongst highland and lowland leagues
 
It will be hearts and Kilmarnock, if Aberdeen and Hibs are still close to us after the split then that would surely be the least crazy option
 
rangeral said:
Our record of 3 times away to one club

2000/01 - Dundee
2001/02 - Dunfemline
2003/04 - Dundee United
2004/05 - Aberdeen
2006/07 - Hibs
2008/09 - Hibs
2009/10 - Dundee United

over the same period and including upto 2011/12 they only went once to a club 3 times - Kilmarnock 2010/11

Since we got voted out of the SPL in 2012 only 3 times

2012/13 Motherwell & Ross County
2014/15 St Johnstone
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Thanks was just about to ask this. I thought we'd been f'd multiple times.
 
Warren Hill said:
“Our aim is to produce the best and most balanced set of fixtures.

Let me help you with this.
You wont find another more balanced way
Each team plays each other twice home and away
Anything else is classed as cheating.
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Each team plays each other twice home and away and dont play one team twice in a matter of weeks before playing every other team in the league. the league draw is a fix which was proved when the scum wanted to play a league game in Boston knowing some how they were playing Dundee just before the split last season.

The scum knew in advance the fixture list giving them time to rearange a few games on the list, makes you think about HOW they get to play hearts hibs and the sheep sometimes Twice in the Space of afew weeks
 
What if every club that we have played twice at home before the split moan that they will be at Ibrox 3 times. ?
 
ttbluenose said:
There was a post on the old board that showed every year since the split at that time and irafc had only 1 season out of about twelve (since 2001) where they had three aways (I think).

But that was just a coincidence
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I don't know if it was ICT or another team came up but the split farce had been up and running for a few years and they got the three away games at the first time of asking yet it had still not happened to the filth.

Meanwhile we have been at Pittawdy a couple of times and certainly Edinburgh at least once.

It's an absolute farce and always has been yet no one has said a word when we were on the receiving end but now we are being perceived to benefit it is going to be chaos?

Now I don't give a toss what anyone else thinks here, someone at Ibrox should be pointing out all the times it has happened to us as opposed to the filth. Highlighting the double standards. You know like a PR company that rakes in a fortune from us.

Just seen from above it's only been once at Dollywood and twice at the spoonburners.
 
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Warren Hill said:
“Our aim is to produce the best and most balanced set of fixtures.

Let me help you with this.
Each time plays each other twice home and away.
You wont find another more balanced way.
Anything else is classed as cheating.
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totally agree Warren,but this is too easy for them fo(kwits
 
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