Intent is absolutely irrelevant. Roofe didn’t intend to decapitate the Slavia keeper but it was as clear a red as you will ever see.Very, very harsh way to look at it. There was no intention from Clark to hurt the player or even commit a foul.
Well said.Watched the analysis on Sportscene by McFadden and Celtic employee Michael Stewart. No pundit seems to have taken the trouble to read the rules and instead are allowed to spout their views unchallenged fuelling timmy conspiracy theorists….. Defender’s arm extended well outside the body line which made himself bigger, ( whether time to get it out the way is neither here nor there).Under the rules…..penalty. Harsh or not, that’s the rules and that’s why Collum couldn’t NOT give it.
Sending off, Clark went right through him with his left foot at knee height following through with right leg - no attempt to do anything other than take him out. Dangerous play…. Under rules - a red card.
Jack’s yellow.- Clearly went for the ball, foot barely off the ground caught the guy’s foot and the ball at same time- mainly because the guy’s foot moved slightly into Jack’s way as Jack went for the ball. Just because the guy rolled about like a shot Indian and the St J players swarmed the ref didn’t change the fact of what actually happened. Yellow at worse.
If refs Collum and Walsh on VAR could under the rules in any way have given any of these decisions against us, don’t you think they would?
It’s not a question of harshness or whatever… it’s a clear unequivocal correct interpretation of the rules as they are at present.
Once again lazy punditry by no friends of Rangers who haven’t taken the time to understand the rules. Then again the same applies to some of our own who are unaware of how the rules are applied.
The ‘harsh’ comments are, right or wrong, an irrelevancy.
He has an ear piece connecting him to VAR. Somebody told him to award a red yesterday. He never made that decision himself at the time. There is a delay and an eventual decision.That's incorrect, we know that as he never went to the VAR Monitor.
From the main stand I certainly couldn’t see the incident properly but, was there any great sense of injustice, massive appeals or dissent from the St.Johnstone players.I think much of the furore about the pen is that we probably got away with something a bit similar at tannadice. Both harsh, seen both given. The standard of referees in our country is deplorable
I’d have expected Collum to have checked the screen himself at that point.That's incorrect, we know that as he never went to the VAR Monitor.
It was his follow through from striking the ball that got Jack. I don’t agree it was a wild tackle and that’s not based on simply getting the ball first. Anyway, went in our favour so hardly an issue for me.It was a wild tackle though. He was out of control and the injury to jack could have been a lot worse. Getting the ball first is irrelevant.
Damn...it made such perfect sense to me tooNo, that’s not how it works, var can’t be used by the ref to make the initial decision.
Mate agree with you until the hagi iincident straight in front of me,bad cynical foul ,but im screaming "fkn dont react hagi", and he raises his arms and pushes the guy ever so slightly,sorry bud played right into gollums hands sadly!Collum didn’t award a card until the VAR officials told him it was a red card
On Jack challenge he issued a yellow straight away and VAR official who I think was Clancy asked him to review the foul and he said it was only a yellow
At the game in real time I thought Clark was a bad foul and Jacks was a red card but not seen any replays yet
Collum again was a joke
Morelos was getting rugby tackled at times and Collum gives them a free kick ffs
The way he dealt with the Hagi yellow was a joke too
The guy is an utter arsehole
Mate, that's not how VAR works. Refs make the desicion and VAR is there to correct mistakes.He has an ear piece connecting him to VAR. Somebody told him to award a red yesterday. He never made that decision himself at the time. There is a delay and an eventual decision.
Jacks only looked worse because of the speed the StJ player came in at. Could easily have been the other way roundClarke was off the ground, 2 footed, studs up and caught Jack a few inches below the knee. It was a red all day long. Jack was a very, very lucky boy not to walk too and I was shocked the ref went to see it again and didn’t send him off.
Really weird that it looked like whoever was controlling the big screens sent off Clarke.
That was our boxAye, we got away with one there.
Our defending set pieces from within the opposition box is abysmal.
Every bad tackle I've seen has the referees card out almost immediately. Just "seemed" like he took an absolute age yesterday to get his red out. I've not watched it again so maybe it felt longer than it actually was.Mate, that's not how VAR works. Refs make the desicion and VAR is there to correct mistakes.
There was a delay because it's the job of the referee to make sure that any player in obvious distress is dealt with first.
You don’t sayThat was our box
Because for years referees have turned a blind eye to these tackles instead of punishing them like they should.I honestly do not understand how people can't see that's a red card tackle..I don't think the intent is there but you're absolutely right. He's off the ground, studs showing, knee high.
Maybe he was consulting with the linesman and/or fourth official? VAR definitely didn't get involved and there was nothing on the screens to indicate a check was underway. VAR only got involved to conduct a check after Collum showed Clark the red.Every bad tackle I've seen has the referees card out almost immediately. Just "seemed" like he took an absolute age yesterday to get his red out. I've not watched it again so maybe it felt longer than it actually was.
I initially thought he's not gonna do anything here.
I also watched it on holiday, but i remember the fans cheering and tom and lewis speculating that he had been sent off before it showed a replay of colum sending him off. Not sure if the var decision was on the screen before we seen it thoughI watched it on, erm, holiday, on TV.
From memory, the live coverage showed the big screen saying red card before anyone realised Collum had sent Clark off so I don't think any editing was involved in the Sky clip.
He didn’t roll over the ball so if there’s no intention then why is he catching Jack just under the knee with studsVery, very harsh way to look at it. There was no intention from Clark to hurt the player or even commit a foul.
Clark went in to Jack straight legged. He may have been off balance but that's irrelevant. It's a red all day.
Jack can count himself fortunate if we're being honest. Especially it being so soon after the tackle on him.
Ryan Jack’s shin is a disgrace, has a big gash in it.
Laughing at McFadden saying it was his knee that caught him. Clark’s knee must be sharp as %^*&.
It was right in front of me but I didn’t see it properly until I watched it on the tv laterFrom the main stand I certainly couldn’t see the incident properly but, was there any great sense of injustice, massive appeals or dissent from the St.Johnstone players.
I didn’t see it.
It’s usually a good gauge as to how correct the decision was.
Not a shambles, that’s how the system worksColum gave him the red card mate then VAR made the decision about a minute later shambles
It was a race to the ball. Jack was a fraction late. Slo mo makes it worse than it was. He was going for the ball, the St. J player was coming from the side. There was nothing in it to suggest recklessness or out of control. Yellow card imo.I, and everyone around me, thought Jack was certain to be sent off when Collum went to the monitor and were pleasantly suprised when he chose to ignore the VAR advice and stick to his original decision.
Agree with this assessment. I don't think any malice in it at all. Rules say it's a red though, so it's a red. People forget that sometimes stuff happens in footy that is accidental. To me, this was one of those times.It was his follow through from striking the ball that got Jack. I don’t agree it was a wild tackle and that’s not based on simply getting the ball first. Anyway, went in our favour so hardly an issue for me.
Truly bewildering that anyone, let alone Rangers fan can say this isn't a red card.
Granted a still image doesn't always show the full picture but the video isn't much better. He does try to pull his leg back at the last moment but that doesn't stop the tackle from being dangerous.
2 feet off the ground, flying in just below knee height. It's the definition of a sending off.
I’m sure in one of the after match interviews it was stated Jack had a gash to his leg above his shin guard.It was harsh. He went for the ball and it was Clark’s right knee that hit Ryan Jacks left knee. Clarks left leg went through Jacks legs live I thought he’d caught him with the follow through. Gollum should have went to the tv screen. Harsh.
Ryan Jack was very lucky to recieve a yellow. I’d have said it was a red. But will take it.
Beale says Ryan's upper shin is gashed. Wondered if the height & force of Clark's challenge dawned on Collum when Ryan's sock & guard were removed to expose injury.It’s was a strange one.
He took forever to make the decision - would have to see it again on TV.
He then walked away from the ref and made a gesture before being bookedHagi could have been spoken to. He wasnt violent it was a push in the chest, no need for a yellow.
Same with Tillmans yellow, not really sure what the foul was.
It wasn't a "tackle" though.
He kicked the ball.
It was definitely Collum’s decision, all VAR done was back it up by agreeing he was right to give it.
They wouldn’t tell him it’s red, they’d say they think he should check it for being a red.
Yeah so we was out of control as his follow through was poor. It’s a red card every single time.It was his follow through from striking the ball that got Jack. I don’t agree it was a wild tackle and that’s not based on simply getting the ball first. Anyway, went in our favour so hardly an issue for me.
If you watch it again his left knee is hit. First I’ve heard of any gash. Must have been alright thankfully he played on.I’m sure in one of the after match interviews it was stated Jack had a gash to his leg above his shin guard.
Jack has previously been red carded for making contact on his follow through. I didn’t agree with it then and I wouldn’t agree with it if it happened to a Rangers player now. You have a good day though.Yeah so we was out of control as his follow through was poor. It’s a red card every single time.
Actually thought it was great refereeing as he took his time rather than rush in like he normally does. Thought he had a decent game yesterday, was also an incident where the St Johnstone player went for a tackle and played one of our players in but the linesman flagged for offside. Collum noticed it came off the St Johnstone player so played on. Not many refs overrule the linesman.
2 players going for a 50/50 ball, Clark slides in to get there before Jack.
How do you define a tackle if that isn't one?
Nobody can do that, they can ask him to look at the monitor if they feel he got it wrong. Delay was strange I'll grant you that.Somebody told him to award a red yesterday.
He has an ear piece connecting him to VAR. Somebody told him to award a red yesterday. He never made that decision himself at the time. There is a delay and an eventual decision.
Tillman was lucky he missed the guy after lunging in from the back or it would have been redHagi could have been spoken to. He wasnt violent it was a push in the chest, no need for a yellow.
Same with Tillmans yellow, not really sure what the foul was.
That is exactly what I thought at the time.Beale says Ryan's upper shin is gashed. Wondered if the height & force of Clark's challenge dawned on Collum when Ryan's sock & guard were removed to expose injury.
Do we just say the standard is rubbish so we can avoid speaking about the times when they are clearly cheating us ?I think much of the furore about the pen is that we probably got away with something a bit similar at tannadice. Both harsh, seen both given. The standard of referees in our country is deplorable
That’s as clear a red card as you’ll ever see.Truly bewildering that anyone, let alone Rangers fan can say this isn't a red card.
Granted a still image doesn't always show the full picture but the video isn't much better. He does try to pull his leg back at the last moment but that doesn't stop the tackle from being dangerous.
2 feet off the ground, flying in just below knee height. It's the definition of a sending off.