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The tactics of the SNP and the Nazis are not far apart. It’s all out of the same songbook.

If you’re going to be consistent, then you’d have to be accepting of a far right skinhead as much as you would a Rangers hating SNP voter.

I’d be happy if neither is associated with our club.
Correct, the SNP are using the same tactics as the National socialists of Pre-war Germany. UAOB is a tactic they used, by holding different marches and rallies in different towns and cities. Demonise the opposition, institutions, control the police, judiciary and the press. No surprise it started in Munich, a predominately, Roman Catholic City.
 
Absolute drivel.



I know loads of Rangers fans (All season ticket holders, follow us home and away) who unfortunately vote the SNP but that's their choice, not mine, but they have the right to choose who they want.
If this is the case, which I doubt, I'll wager they dont come from the west of Scotland.
Personally I don't know one such person.
Is there anyone else on FF who would claim to know "loads" of Rangers fans (home and away) who vote SNP?
Not all at once now.
 
Which party should we vote for?
The Tories with their former IRA member councillor?
Labour with pro-IRA Corbyn?
Vote tactically to get the SNP out, however distasteful that may be. But, it is still better than having in power those that want to destroy us as a football club. Politics and religion have no place in sport in my opinion, but the SNP have now done that and even introduced laws to be used against us. That is why we need more organisation from a political sense because if we don't they will eventually win.
The IRA/Sinn Fein have used the tactic of mixing religion and politics for over a hundred years and it has been effective. The SNP are friends with Sinn Fein and using their tactics. Again that is why they must go by any means necessary, even if we have to vote for someone we hate as well, tactically.
 
On the face of it, a horrific deal for the club unless it is being used as the sweetener to get us planning for Edmiston and the various Project 2022 stuff. I am not holding my breath.
 
Vote tactically to get the SNP out, however distasteful that may be. But, it is still better than having in power those that want to destroy us as a football club. Politics and religion have no place in sport in my opinion, but the SNP have now done that and even introduced laws to be used against us. That is why we need more organisation from a political sense because if we don't they will eventually win.
The IRA/Sinn Fein have used the tactic of mixing religion and politics for over a hundred years and it has been effective. The SNP are friends with Sinn Fein and using their tactics. Again that is why they must go by any means necessary, even if we have to vote for someone we hate as well, tactically.

So which pro-IRA party should we be voting in doing so?

Weren't we to vote tactically to get Labour out before the SNP got into power? So that'll leave the Tories who seem as intent on breaking up the union as the SNP and are happy to welcome IRA members into their ranks.
 
So which pro-IRA party should we be voting in doing so?

Weren't we to vote tactically to get Labour out before the SNP got into power? So that'll leave the Tories who seem as intent on breaking up the union as the SNP and are happy to welcome IRA members into their ranks.

There is some truth in what you're saying. I think some people forget how hostile Labour-run GCC and McConnell's Labour was to Rangers. There wasn't a Golden Age before the SNP. The moan on here at the time was that everyone in Scotland were sheep for voting for Labour. The fans are too passive and expect the political climate to change without any direct involvement by them. People need to get involved in trade unions, political parties, community groups, local councils, etc. Shape policy from grassroots. A strategy of 'don't vote for this person, he's a Rangers-hating dick' is just going nowhere because another Rangers-hating dick will be along after him/her unless you do something about it.
 
People can vote for whoever they wish thats what our soldiers fought for and I dont link politics and football together.
 
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Fucking ridiculous, a big %^*& off road right on our entrance. What we need is for Edmiston Drive to be shut off permanently and that land in our hands. This is what we should be pursuing, not arsing about with that community shit across the road.
 
There is some truth in what you're saying. I think some people forget how hostile Labour-run GCC and McConnell's Labour was to Rangers. There wasn't a Golden Age before the SNP. The moan on here at the time was that everyone in Scotland were sheep for voting for Labour. The fans are too passive and expect the political climate to change without any direct involvement by them. People need to get involved in trade unions, political parties, community groups, local councils, etc. Shape policy from grassroots. A strategy of 'don't vote for this person, he's a Rangers-hating dick' is just going nowhere because another Rangers-hating dick will be along after him/her unless you do something about it.

Aye, It seems many have forgotten just how bad ScotLab were for a long time with the likes of Jack McConnell at the helm. In many seats where it was long said they'd vote for a monkey in a red rosette, the same largely still applies but with the SNP replacing Labour.

Truth be told, whether my local MP likes Rangers or not isn't really high on my list of reasons for voting for them.
 
Aye, It seems many have forgotten just how bad ScotLab were for a long time with the likes of Jack McConnell at the helm. In many seats where it was long said they'd vote for a monkey in a red rosette, the same largely still applies but with the SNP replacing Labour.

Truth be told, whether my local MP likes Rangers or not isn't really high on my list of reasons for voting for them.

Perhaps not, but their hatred of Rangers, your perceived religious and cultural beliefs etc. would maybe change your mind.
 
Perhaps not, but their hatred of Rangers, your perceived religious and cultural beliefs etc. would maybe change your mind.

So, that rules out every major UK political party as all seem to hate our "perceived religious and cultural beliefs etc"

Labour are pro-IRA, SNP are anti-British, Tories are anti-working class, pro-IRA and happy to dissolve the union.
 
So, that rules out every major UK political party as all seem to hate our "perceived religious and cultural beliefs etc"

Labour are pro-IRA, SNP are anti-British, Tories are anti-working class, pro-IRA and happy to dissolve the union.

I will be honest, I am unaware of the tory IRA support mate. I am unsure they are 'happy' to dissolve the union either.
 
I will be honest, I am unaware of the tory IRA support mate. I am unsure they are 'happy' to dissolve the union either.

Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."
 
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Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."

That is utterly revolting.
 
Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."

You're being very disingenuous Dude. Let's look at the actual facts. She was a member of the IRA 35 years ago. She subsequently realised she was wrong, was horrified by their activities, left and became an informer to the UK intelligence agencies. So much so that she was put on an IRA death list and had to change her identity.
The quote you give is her saying how she felt at the time she was a member 35 years ago, not now. She's made her position clear that she abhors the IRA and the fact they wanted her dead pretty much backs this up. That said, plenty of Tories still wanted her gone but her constituents like her and she's only a councillor for goodness sake, not Minister for Foreign affairs!
To say the Tories are pro-IRA is ridiculous quite frankly, as is saying they are happy to dissolve the union. The sanctity of the Union is pretty much a core element of the party itself.
 
The amount of folk on here desperate to disparage other fans for their political views is astounding. Absolutely pathetic even. I've never voted SNP and would never vote SNP, but I'd also never feel like I have any right how to dictate others vote purely because of who their football team is.

Politics. Football. Religion. None of these things are one and the same and I couldn't give a toss who someone votes for or what religion they are. Everyone is entitled to be who they are and do what they like.
I’m being polite when I say you must be very naive
 
Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."
That is pretty shocking .
 
Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."
Think Lucy blues post tells a slightly different story .does it not .dosn,t seem to have the same agenda as yours.
 
Was up in Perth for the weekend a few weeks back and spotted loads of Union Jacks at the top of the street, said to the missus 'lets go check it out'.
Turned out there was an Indy ref march going through the town and the lads were giving them 'the bird'. I watched as hundreds of the cunts marched past and couldn't help notice how trampy and unkempt they looked, every single fuckin one them. Smelly bastards!
The ladies and gentlemen with the UJ's were very well turned out though.
Yes I agree with your sentiments, but when politicians pander and indeed take sides, for me they have crossed the line.
 
You're being very disingenuous Dude. Let's look at the actual facts. She was a member of the IRA 35 years ago. She subsequently realised she was wrong, was horrified by their activities, left and became an informer to the UK intelligence agencies. So much so that she was put on an IRA death list and had to change her identity.
The quote you give is her saying how she felt at the time she was a member 35 years ago, not now. She's made her position clear that she abhors the IRA and the fact they wanted her dead pretty much backs this up. That said, plenty of Tories still wanted her gone but her constituents like her and she's only a councillor for goodness sake, not Minister for Foreign affairs!
To say the Tories are pro-IRA is ridiculous quite frankly, as is saying they are happy to dissolve the union. The sanctity of the Union is pretty much a core element of the party itself.

So did McGuinness. Doesn't make him any less of a lady's front bottom.
 
One of the main reasons the SNP continue to enjoy power, is we bizarrely have supporters who vote for them.

If you're one of these people, you're harming the club. It needs to stop.
I think there are more than you realise , some high profile so called fans too . Just don’t understand why anyone who supports us would vote for them
 
So which pro-IRA party should we be voting in doing so?

Weren't we to vote tactically to get Labour out before the SNP got into power? So that'll leave the Tories who seem as intent on breaking up the union as the SNP and are happy to welcome IRA members into their ranks.
The tories are not trying to break up the Union, I don't know why you think that. Explain more of this Tory that supports the IRA.
 
It's a pity we can't just buy the complex off the council. That pitch is like a carpet. It would benefit us so much if we owned it outright, but I'm guessing GCC will never let that happen
 
So did McGuinness. Doesn't make him any less of a lady's front bottom.

All my rebuttal and that's the best you can come up with?

You and I both know you were being disingenuous with the facts. Tories pro-IRA? Absolute nonsense. Same nonsense as them wanting the union dissolved. As a journalist (I'll show you respect and not put inverted commas around the word), you should really know better.
I've no idea what your agenda is but it's clear there's one at work. I'll again be magnanimous and not label you simply an attention seeking troll that so many on RM do. I quite like your podcasts but you really do love an argument for the sake of it don't you?
I'll be open about my agenda though - I'm a member of the Conservative party and I don't usually post about politics here (if at all) but your misinformation had to be tackled. For what it's worth, a decade ago in my early 20's, like so many, I was quite a leftie and a fully paid up member of the SNP. For a short while, I shared the ideals of...let's say the "jacobite" element and wanted us "free" as a country. Sadly, I saw the party invaded by those of ex-Labour persuasion who brought a religious element into it and that uneasy alliance (jacobite and irish nationalist) has made the SNP what they are today.
I'm by no means an uber Tory but I know for a fact, there is no religious crap festering within them, unlike the SNP. Why do I share this? Two reasons. One, I know what I'm talking about unlike yourself who's coming away with nonsense. And two...I know politically in Scotland, some view our club as a target to be taken down and it sure ain't the Tories, hence the relevance to the thread.
 
The amount of folk on here desperate to disparage other fans for their political views is astounding. Absolutely pathetic even. I've never voted SNP and would never vote SNP, but I'd also never feel like I have any right how to dictate others vote purely because of who their football team is.

Politics. Football. Religion. None of these things are one and the same and I couldn't give a toss who someone votes for or what religion they are. Everyone is entitled to be who they are and do what they like.

Usually I would agree with you. But these are unusal times
 
If this is the case, which I doubt, I'll wager they dont come from the west of Scotland.
Personally I don't know one such person.
Is there anyone else on FF who would claim to know "loads" of Rangers fans (home and away) who vote SNP?
Not all at once now.
Are you serious??? Am from Clydebank. That's West Of Scotland. Don't talk garbage. Maybe you should get out more. Then you might get to know "such people"
 
When working for the "Better Together" Campaign, I came across families I knew while canvassing where at least one of them were Nats. Even while manning the polling station, a husband and wife team rolled up to canvas for "Yes" and they were both Rangers fans and she even worked at Ibrox.

I respect their right to vote as they want but think they are having the wool pulled over their eyes. The Irish guy who was with them said he was a Green and had no interest in the football, but I found out he was actually a Nat and I clocked him a few weeks later with a sellick tap on. They are devious.

The SNP councillors, MPs and MSPs in power equate Rangers with all things Unionist and do their best to act against our interests in all things.
 
Any Rangers supporter voting for the Scottish Nationalist Party are not a real supporter IMO.

Tbh is good deepest they are a party that's only interest is independence they are useless.

Politically the failings in laws, nhs, police Scotland, local councils etc

There response is always the same it's the uk govt fault never theirs always someone else's fault

Something comes out don't like all you hear is indy 2 to drown out the bad points.

Anyone voting them is an idiot everything they touch turns to shit
 
What does your political beliefs have to do with football anyway??
Football in Glasgow is unique in that the fanbase of the 2 big clubs is in general made up on political/religious grounds. This is certainly not a 100% rule but in general Rangers draw on the Scottish/Unionist communities and Celtic on the Irish/RC ones. Celtic were indeed founded on such a basis. (I'm surprised you don't know this)
Currently an anti Unionist (by very definition) party are holding political sway in Scotland and have made it clear on many occasions that in order to ingratiate themselves and win votes from the "Celtic minded" they will hinder and denigrate the name of our club at every opportunity. Many of their number openly and vocally support Celtic (fair enough) and many freely associate themselves with Irish Republican organisations. On the other hand when Celtic fan Frank Mcaveety was a guest at Ibrox, the SNP leader of Glasgow City Council used social media to suggest that a heinous crime had been committed. The SNP also hindered Rangers plans to implement a fan zone, whilst aiding Celtic in every way possible, including financially.

I could go on.

So whilst the wish for an Independent Scotland may well be a legitimate one (certainly not mine) as long as our enemies are the only route to that goal, then empowering those enemies makes you unfit to support Rangers. Only my own opinion of course.

Hope that's cleared up the connection between football and politics for you.
 
Councillor Maria Gatland is a former IRA member who is an elected representative of the Conservative Party in Croydon. She was part of the local council 'cabinet' but resigned after her past membership of the IRA was revealed. After an investigation, the Conservative party decided against excluding her from the party and have even allowed her to continue to stand as a councillor.

Here's a quote from her: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better."

So 1 reptile in the Conservative party versus how many in the snp ?

john mason , who supported the deaths of 3 Scots soldiers at the hands of the ira

Brendan Ohara , spent a decade vilifying Protestants and rangers fans online

Julie mckenzie labels us huns

Alan Casey member of a republican flute band and posts pro ira messages online

Margaretferried visits ira memerials

feargal dalton actively takes part in ira memorials

former snp justice minister tried to implement laws exclusively aimed at imprisoning rangers fans

current justice minister targeting Protestants in his anti catholic legislative overview

snp councillor chargedwith breach of the peace over anti Protestant language

snp mp Chris Cullen tweeting support for the ira

snp Councillor Chris mceleny regularly attacks our club and posts pro ira song lyrics

Susan aitken and her anti rangers behaviour

snp alluding republican / ira group’s grouos to join Indy marches

I know who is the bigger enemy of not just rangers but Scotland
 
Football in Glasgow is unique in that the fanbase of the 2 big clubs is in general made up on political/religious grounds. This is certainly not a 100% rule but in general Rangers draw on the Scottish/Unionist communities and Celtic on the Irish/RC ones. Celtic were indeed founded on such a basis. (I'm surprised you don't know this)
Currently an anti Unionist (by very definition) party are holding political sway in Scotland and have made it clear on many occasions that in order to ingratiate themselves and win votes from the "Celtic minded" they will hinder and denigrate the name of our club at every opportunity. Many of their number openly and vocally support Celtic (fair enough) and many freely associate themselves with Irish Republican organisations. On the other hand when Celtic fan Frank Mcaveety was a guest at Ibrox, the SNP leader of Glasgow City Council used social media to suggest that a heinous crime had been committed. The SNP also hindered Rangers plans to implement a fan zone, whilst aiding Celtic in every way possible, including financially.

I could go on.

So whilst the wish for an Independent Scotland may well be a legitimate one (certainly not mine) as long as our enemies are the only route to that goal, then empowering those enemies makes you unfit to support Rangers. Only my own opinion of course.

Hope that's cleared up the connection between football and politics for you.

Am sure that the 11 players that start against Hearts on Sunday will have all that in mind when they take the field............
 
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