Studies underway to add more seats to Ibrox in 2022

LoganBear

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Yes, but Robertson has stated that it would be low 1000s. I'm only going on what he says. Anything is 'feasible' in terms of the possibilities. In terms of Finance - not so much. My opinion is that we'll get 5000k absolute max, probably with a lower of the pitch , seats at the back of the Govan and maybe a balcony where the tvs are.
I agree 5k max.

But if it’s feasible and affordable then we should loom at every possibility to do it, the more bears we can get into ibrox able to watch our team the better.
 

NJA

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
 

westwoodrsc_gm

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
It’s good to dream eh mate haha
 

LoganBear

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
Ooft:)):)):))
 

grascots

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
If only your name started with Sheik
 

Careca

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It's very much "how long is a bit of string?"

Man U added 7500 to their capacity by filling in the upper corners of the stand opposite their camera so similar to what we'd look at doing and it was somewhere between £50m and £75m 10 years ago.

I don't know the complete ins and outs of that particular project but given it's similar in terms of what it achieved, it's going to up there around those kind of silly figures. As a soon as we're above £20m and costs which aren't going to be paid back within a 5-10 year period, I just don't see it being an option.

We were £14m for 7500 seats in the CD in 1990. It today's money that's about £40m and we have to bear in mind that for those 7500 additional seats, we only added about 4500 - 5000 to the capacity as the Main Stand lost a load given Murray's architects failings on that project. That was also for works that solely concentrated on one stand. We have to deal with the end stands during any of these works.

There was a discussion on the thread about Edmiston House about it all. We had people telling us on that thread you could add 10k to the Copland! Lol. The entire stand as it is holds 8000. The back row would be in Livingston.


You look at Liverpool's recent Main Stand works and it was £100m for that. They added 8500 to their capacity. Again, the argument back on that thread from a certain poster was "you don't need to spend EPL money" but unfortunately building works don't trickle down cost wise as EPL payments do compared to SPL levels.

Also on the Liverpool element of things, they don't have the integration to the end stands as we're trying to achieve.


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They did knock down their existing lower tiers to start again which obviously had massive costs but what we have to do with the corner roofs and any works coming round the corner greatly increase our potential spend.

You have to consider lost revenue when the works are ongoing. Do we relocate to Hampden or tell 10k people in the Govan they can't have their ST for a year?

The lower section under the screen currently holds 800 or so seats. You'd get approximately three times that in the upper area. Consider it like a piece of Dairylea cheese. You've got one wedge in the lower section, you'd have three in the top sections at either end of the ground so roughly 2400 x 2

It just can't see it happening while we operate under current spending levels.
You still smarting about that? Again, Dortmund (on whom our current ground is based,) increased the stand behind the goals from 12000 to 25000.

If the club can increase capacity by 6000 with minimal disruption and cost it’ll be a moot point anyway. As long as we get it somehow. That’s the main thing.
ps Did you draw your idea out in MS paint?
 
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Kathmandu

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You still smarting about that? Again, Dortmund (on whom our current ground is based,) increased the stand behind the goals from 12000 to 25000.

If the club can increase capacity by 6000 with minimal disruption and cost it’ll be a moot point anyway. As long as we get it somehow. That’s the main thing.
ps Did you draw your idea out in MS paint?
The link with Dortmund was the 4 separate stands not sure if there are any design/structural similarities but the picture doesn’t appear to show the same steelwork design for the roof
 

GarMckin

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
I like the sentiment, but you are looking at well over £100m for those additions. 13,000 more seats, a new roof covering three stands, a club store, ticket office, and tunnels leading to the away section from buses. How did you work out getting all that for cheaper than Liverpool adding 8,500 seats?
 
The link with Dortmund was the 4 separate stands not sure if there are any design/structural similarities but the picture doesn’t appear to show the same steelwork design for the roof
That's an earlier phase of the Westfalenstadion

If you look at the below you can see the two older stands with 2 newer ones which have the goalposts similar to ours and the stadium prior to the expansion in the early 2000's





If you look closely at the stadium as it is just now the top cross bars and roofs appear to be still in place but are now supported by the large yellow cantilevers with the old vertical supports removed. Corners filled in along with their own roofs.

Some more pics of before, after and during expansion just for some context.







 

Laudrup1

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You still smarting about that? Again, Dortmund (on whom our current ground is based,) increased the stand behind the goals from 12000 to 25000.

If the club can increase capacity by 6000 with minimal disruption and cost it’ll be a moot point anyway. As long as we get it somehow. That’s the main thing.
ps Did you draw your idea out in MS paint?
Not smarting. Amused at your lack of knowledge on the matter as you keep banging on.

But aye, you're right and everyone else on here is wrong.

As far your last comment there, no. I think that marks you out as a bit of a prick and I'd love to see you do something close to it.
 
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Laudrup1

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The safe standing in Germany is something we can't replicate here as the rules are different.

We cant get 25k behind the goals.

Theres 8k in the Copland just now. Making it 25k is impossible.

Think about the size of a stand 2.5 - 3 times what it is just now. It just doesnt work.
 
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HenningBerg

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Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
Jesus Christ :rolleyes:
 

PMB1872

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Interesting fact about Liverpool from the Price of Football podcast. They limit season ticket sales to 25,000.

This allows them to service day tripper, international tourists etc who, if they do only one visit to Anfield that year, will also supplement the trip by spending a few hundred quid in the megastore.

Tourists spend the money every week on merch, those that go every week don't.

An interesting approach. Obviously we don't have the same kind of tourist market here (and let's not even talk about our megastore) but it's an interesting strategy based around maximising matchday spend for the benefit of the club.
You can perhaps take that season ticket gamble if you’ve got the global demand for your product. There would be a danger that you have a poor season and then the last third of the home games you struggle to sell the extra tickets, or generally struggle to sell for the winter midweek games.
 

Kathmandu

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That's an earlier phase of the Westfalenstadion

If you look at the below you can see the two older stands with 2 newer ones which have the goalposts similar to ours and the stadium prior to the expansion in the early 2000's





If you look closely at the stadium as it is just now the top cross bars and roofs appear to be still in place but are now supported by the large yellow cantilevers with the old vertical supports removed. Corners filled in along with their own roofs.

Some more pics of before, after and during expansion just for some context.







Cheers just googled that for a wee look, did notice that the estimated costings for the project were €200 million.
It isn’t happening.
 

Careca

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Not smarting. Amused at your lack of knowledge on the matter as you keep banging on.

But aye, you're right and everyone else on here is wrong.

As far your last comment there, no. I think that marks you out as a bit of a prick and I'd love to see you do something close to it.
I stopped banging on a while back as all I was doing was making fan suggestions, on a football fan forum of all places.
It was you who invoked the smugness card and holier than though attitude because of your apparent engineering background. You can’t help yourself. That’s why I couldn’t resist throwing another line.

A 3D design without any actual engineering behind it is pointless. A bit like the megabrox picture or mincraft ibrox. You should have based your design on Dortmund’s as I suggested for the Copland end, which has already been done and saved yourself the bother. As for the personal insults, will meet you at the Louden any time to go over your stunning plans.
 
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PMB1872

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But this isn’t a stadium build. It’s a dig down and extend. The reason we are looking into it is it’s potentially a cheap option!
I know but have you ever seen building projects in this country? All the different types and amount of people involved, consultants fees, material costs, and that’s before you get to the guaranteed overruns...
 

Laudrup1

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I stopped banging on a while back as all I was doing was making fan suggestions, on a football fan forum of all places.
It was you who invoked the smugness card and holier than though attitude because of your apparent engineering background. You can’t help yourself. That’s why I couldn’t resist throwing another line.

A 3D design without any actual engineering behind it is pointless. A bit like the megabrox picture or mincraft ibrox. You should have based your design on Dortmund’s as I suggested for the Copland end, which has already been done and saved yourself the bother. As for the personal insults, will meet you at the Louden any time to go over your stunning plans.
I'm not being smug. I simply pointed out why the Dortmund model can't happen. We can't do standing the way they do it and to get a 25k stand behind the goals based on what we have can't happen. Their end stand was done in among a rake of other upgrades and totally changed their stadium from what Ibrox borrowed it's 79-81 development ideas from. As someone else said, what was copied was the idea of separate stands. The similarities pretty much mnd there.

"I" shouldn't have based anything on Dortmund as it can't happen but we've been over that and others have said the same.

It's simply a representation of how the works could be done at Ibrox and it's a better way to do it based on site lines, value of seats and what is at Ibrox already. Nothing more or less.

I've got hee haw interest in having a pint you.
 

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I'm not being smug. I simply pointed out why the Dortmund model can't happen. We can't do standing the way they do it and to get a 25k stand behind the goals based on what we have can't happen. Their end stand was done in among a rake of other upgrades and totally changed their stadium from what Ibrox borrowed it's 79-81 development ideas from. As someone else said, what was copied was the idea of separate stands. The similarities pretty much mnd there.

"I" shouldn't have based anything on Dortmund as it can't happen but we've been over that and others have said the same.

It's simply a representation of how the works could be done at Ibrox and it's a better way to do it based on site lines, value of seats and what is at Ibrox already. Nothing more or less.

I've got hee haw interest in having a pint you.
I dont think it was a pint he was offering. :))
 

Careca

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Well listening to him talk shite about stadium plans without a drink sounds even less appealing.
Thought so.

I can imagine your conversation is riveting as well.

With all your gum bumping about engineering on every stadium thread, that drawing you’ve spent hours on is no more than a pretty picture. I’ll try to get my neice to draw one up in crayon for your expert comment. Pity, as you could save the club millions on design fees if you could get on the works computer at lunch again.

As I said on this thread Ill be happy if the club get the extra 6000 seats at low cost with minimum disruption (not your 25000 extreme?) You are the one who brought up a month old exchange from the Edmiston thread, before this stadium announcement from the club.

I look forward to your comment when the actual works are proposed.
 

Laudrup1

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Thought so.

I can imagine your conversation is riveting as well.

With all your gum bumping about engineering on every stadium thread, that drawing you’ve spent hours on is no more than a pretty picture. I’ll try to get my neice to draw one up in crayon for your expert comment. Pity, as you could save the club millions on design fees if you could get on the works computer at lunch again.

As I said on this thread Ill be happy if the club get the extra 6000 seats at low cost with minimum disruption (not your 25000 extreme?) You are the one who brought up a month old exchange from the Edmiston thread, before this stadium announcement from the club.

I look forward to your comment when the actual works are proposed.
It's you who keeps going on about Dortmund and 25k. I never mentioned it initially or even think it's viable. You're the one continually bringing it up.

Again, I'm not so sure why you have taken such offence at a sketch of possible plans or quite why you feel the need to criticise something you're clearly not capable of replicating or you'd have done so and better yourself.

They're not my pictures nor was the original 3D model on the site they came from. I never one said they were but they guy who did it has clearly spent a lot of time on them and done well with them. Going by the responses to the post, people seem to have been interested.

I deliberately didn't tag you in this thread where I mentioned the other post. A poster had asked about something which was covered before. It made sense for him to read it as he was interested. It was you who jumped all over it.

Be away with you.
 

Careca

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I’ve taken no offence to the sketch. Was hoping for numbers behind it. I can’t see anywhere you credit anyone else drawing it so it must be your know it all attitude and wordplay and being called a prick that I’ve taken offence to.

See you on the next stadium thread. Need another last word? You can’t resist can you?
 
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BigBill32

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Yes, but Robertson has stated that it would be low 1000s. I'm only going on what he says. Anything is 'feasible' in terms of the possibilities. In terms of Finance - not so much. My opinion is that we'll get 5000k absolute max, probably with a lower of the pitch , seats at the back of the Govan and maybe a balcony where the tvs are.
Spot on, this is where we are headed I am sure. Affordable and feasible.
 

TwoBadMice

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Long time lurker on FollowFollow.

Id like to add my views on the stadium expansion. Id personally like to keep the pitch the same level as it is, if necessary, drop it by 1 meter, this will give enough for 2 rows, and add 1,500 to the capacity. This can be done whilst the team still play in the stadium, like what Man City did in the Ethiad when they expanded it a few years back. It will take a season to do, and the cost is only £5m or so. BUT this depends on the water table and the Clyde.

As for the removal of the TV screens, this is the long term goal. This would give 5,000 per corner in my opinion. Id like to remove the roof off of the 3 sides of the stadium and make them all the same cantilever style as above, however make the roof with screens above them, large enough for VAR decisions on them. The removal of the roof can be done whilst the team play in the stadium, this whole project would take 2 years. Whilst i was at it, id look at a study for the expansion of The Argyle Suite to wrap around the whole stadium at the level it presently is at, if it cannot be done, leave The Argyle Suite the same, but try and include them in the corners only, but make them multi purpose where they can be made into a TV studio. Reason for the multi purpose element, we need to get the stadium into being used for a Europa League or Champions League Final.

The one other thing id look at is a remote entry for the away section, where there is a series of tunnels, leading to where they come in from their away bus parking. This would significantly make the policing easier and more simple. This would be a selling point to the planners. Id also like to demolish the Edmonton Suite at the rear of the Copland Road and replace that place with a new Rangers store and a ticket office. It would also be the start, or possibly end of the Ibrox Stadium Tour accessible via another tunnel.

As for finances, in todays market, id set aside £75m, maybe even £80m, it could even cost a eye watering £100m if someone was milking it somewhere. As for the business model, we need to look at a new business model, cap season tickets at 55,000, of a total capacity of maybe 62,000. If season ticket prices where an average of £450 per season for that figure, it would be just short £25m, and with the 7,000 tickets available for each league game, you would get another maybe £3m for that. Include a European campaign, that's a easy £10m in ticket sales. If we paid the debt of that off over 10 years, say £8m a year, it could be achievable to pay it off in that time. We wouldn't want naming rights, as Liverpool didn't take naming rights, they just got successful and paid their £85m main stand expansion off in 3 years in Premier League terms. And we wouldn't have to move out of Ibrox, if we could get a reversal of fixtures from the SPFL until the September international break on the completion of the stadium.

The problems would be egress to the stadium, as the Subway wouldn't cope, we would need a Ibrox Rail Station. This would be a hard sell to Network Rail, but id offer to pay towards this development, for a basic station this would cost £3.6m on 2016 figures. Today, this would be maybe another £6m cost, and if we went half on this, it may help. Also the purchase of 4-5 properties would stand in my plans, this would be a significant cost. Also the lack of a proper fan area wouldn't be great.

Ive always dreamt that if i had the money, and i mean Elon Musk levels of cash, id buy the bloody club and get our ship in order, and do a £550m expansion and modernisation of the stadium, whilst giving Steven a health wedge of cash to stay competitive on the park.

I have optimism that what ever way is chosen, getting even 54,000 into the stadium will help.
Have you been drinking mate?
 

Fife Bear

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Even if we can’t completely fill in the corners surely we can still get more seats in there than we do currently. They big grey panels look like they take up far more space than necessary.
 
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