onelegwonder
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When did scissor kick challenge from behind become a tangle of legs?clearly, but you can’t send someone off just because it was a bad injury.
legs tangle etc
When did scissor kick challenge from behind become a tangle of legs?clearly, but you can’t send someone off just because it was a bad injury.
legs tangle etc
Wasn't excessive imo. More unlucky for the young boy but the tackle wasn't bad in anyway for me.If you snap someones leg in a tackle then that's excessive force.
Nah mate, not having that. Plenty have had leg breaks from hard but 100% fair tackles. Luck of the draw.It's not about intent though.
If you go into a tackle with enough force to break someone's leg then IMO you're using excessive force and it's a red card.
He has went through the boy, hit his leg and broke it. How is that not excessive or endangering a player...
Agree.100% not a red
it is his scissor kick challenge that connects with the boys leg to snap it... or am i watching another clip from youIts not the contact itself that breaks his leg, there’s no excessive force on Elliot. Football has changed enough already in respect of offering players extra protection. Any more and you really won’t be able to make a solid challenge anymore.
What happens at a 50/50? Would you be happy to see one of our players pull out or go in half hearted?It's not about intent though.
If you go into a tackle with enough force to break someone's leg then IMO you're using excessive force and it's a red card.
A St Johnstone player made a far more reckless challenge on Ryan Kent yesterday if truth be told.Its not the contact itself that breaks his leg, there’s no excessive force on Elliot. Football has changed enough already in respect of offering players extra protection. Any more and you really won’t be able to make a solid challenge anymore.
In the heat of the moment Klopp was upset over his young player being badly injured, put any manager in that type of situation the reaction would be the same.As others said - was never a red, just total bad luck with the way the guy caught him with his trailing leg. I actually thought it was a really good tackle at the time.
I quite like Klopp but he was being a dick there going tonto at folk. Sometimes players get hurt.
That’s my point. The ref never blew for the free kick but sent the player off when he saw the injury.clearly, but you can’t send someone off just because it was a bad injury.
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Why bring the Buff into it? Playing with my emotions!?Where does it end though? Morelos holds off a player, using his physique and turns the defender and the defender twists his knee....Morelos fault? Thats where this goes. The lad has taken a sore one today but it wasnt intentional, in fact Im sure the Leeds player will be in bits about it.
That is terrible refereeing.That’s my point. The ref never blew for the free kick but sent the player off when he saw the injury.
The only time the Leeds player got the ball today was after he had broken the kids leg. I cannot understand anyone watching that clip thinks it was fair and not a red card...A St Johnstone player made a far more reckless challenge on Ryan Kent yesterday if truth be told.
Whereas the challenge today was made with the sole intent to win the ball cleanly.
I saw John Greig make a ton of challenges like that and I am proud to say I managed to make a few myself after being inspired by the Great Man.
Wasn't excessive imo. More unlucky for the young boy but the tackle wasn't bad in anyway for me.
Nah mate, not having that. Plenty have had leg breaks from hard but 100% fair tackles. Luck of the draw
What happens at a 50/50? Would you be happy to see one of our players pull out or go in half hearted?
No you’re watching the same clip and seeing something different from me. Its hard to see exactly what happens with only one angle and in real time, but after slowing it down I can say it’s not a scissor kick, trailing leg comes through (as it does in so many tackles) and as Elliot is still trying to run his leg becomes entangled with the players trailing leg.it is his scissor kick challenge that connects with the boys leg to snap it... or am i watching another clip from you
I just looked at it again.The only time the Leeds player got the ball today was after he had broken the kids leg. I cannot understand anyone watching that clip thinks it was fair and not a red card...
I haven’t watched replays but my reaction wasn’t “ooft that’s a horrible tackle” although I thought it was a free kick. It’s possible the ref heard the noise of the break and it threw him off tbf.That is terrible refereeing.
Was it a break?
Two footed jump over the ball not a red card... ?
You bet? On the clip i posted you can see the challenge on the boys back leg that initiates the snap... The challenge was also from behind and one leg goes in before the other (scissor like).No you’re watching the same clip and seeing something different from me. Its hard to see exactly what happens with only one angle and in real time, but after slowing it down I can say it’s not a scissor kick, trailing leg comes through (as it does in so many tackles) and as Elliot is still trying to run his leg becomes entangled with the players trailing leg.
Although it’s not easy to see on the footage, I’d bet it’s just the way he’s gone over after becoming entangled that’s caused the break, and NOT the actual impact of his leg striking Elliots leg. That’s what it looks like anyway. Maybe that’s why the ref didn’t even bother to award a foul first time round. I think if you had your way football would be a piece of piss for attackers (particularly those with decent ball control and a bit of pace) because defenders wouldn’t feel like they could ever go to ground in a challenge again, or that they could give anything more forceful than a shoulder challenge.
Klopp was going mental at the Leeds fans because of the abuse they were shouting at the young lad as he lay in agony.As others said - was never a red, just total bad luck with the way the guy caught him with his trailing leg. I actually thought it was a really good tackle at the time.
I quite like Klopp but he was being a dick there going tonto at folk. Sometimes players get hurt.
I just looked at it again.
The only angle I have seen it in is the one on here, and I simply cannot see what is wrong with the challenge.
The only intent was to win the ball.
If we start getting hysterical about that kind of challenge, then it is time to pack our boots away because the game is finished as a physical encounter.
The fact that the player who was injured was young, a kid as you emotively mention, makes no difference to the fairness or unfairness of the challenge.
I have watched challenges like that in over six decades of football and usually, they remain unremarkable.
But in a physical sport, there is always the outside chance of an unfortunate injury from players coming together.
It is a shame for the lad though, and I wish him a speedy recovery.
There’s a ball in between 2 players and they both swing a leg at it. Make contact with ball at same time and one snaps their leg. Are you sending the other player off?Think it's best if we just agree to disagree mate.
If you're going into a tackle with enough force to break someone's leg in half than that's excessive force and endangering an opponent.
The fact the player injured was young? It does not matter a jot what age the player is.. It was scissor challenge from behind, (guy i have just commented on said it was one leg after other but not scissor, %^*& me), the boy had no chance and from what i am seeing it is clear as day that the contact is what breaks his leg.. If that is not excessive then what in the hell is? Leg fully amputated in challenge?I just looked at it again.
The only angle I have seen it in is the one on here, and I simply cannot see what is wrong with the challenge.
The only intent was to win the ball.
If we start getting hysterical about that kind of challenge, then it is time to pack our boots away because the game is finished as a physical encounter.
The fact that the player who was injured was young, a kid as you emotively mention, makes no difference to the fairness or unfairness of the challenge.
I have watched challenges like that in over six decades of football and usually, they remain unremarkable.
But in a physical sport, there is always the outside chance of an unfortunate injury from players coming together.
It is a shame for the lad though, and I wish him a speedy recovery.
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There’s a ball in between 2 players and they both swing a leg at it. Make contact with ball at same time and one snaps their leg. Are you sending the other player off?
Well they miss the ball and kick each other?Is it even possible to snap your leg by kicking a ball?
My recollection is Larsson was running on the right side of an opponent who had the ball on the left wing, Larsson stamped down with his left leg, his calf, in front of the ball, to stop the runner. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred it works, the opponent is literally stopped in his tracks. This time his tibia and fibula snapped when the opponent made contact with the ball at speed.Looks to me like his foot getting caught in the turf was as much the cause of the break than anything. Remember Larsson breaking his leg when there was nobody near him because he caught his studs in the turf while running hard. I don't think the ref has any option but to issue a red in the circumstances but that looked a run of the mill tackle to me.
You bet? On the clip i posted you can see the challenge on the boys back leg that initiates the snap... The challenge was also from behind and one leg goes in before the other (scissor like).
We are going to need to agree to disagree on our thoughts on this challenge as having my leg snapped by similar i have bad feelings about it.
and so typical that he was about 30 seconds away from being substituted for Henderson.Horrible. The boys had a great start to the season.
Have you ever played football petal ?Think it's best if we just agree to disagree mate.
If you're going into a tackle with enough force to break someone's leg in half than that's excessive force and endangering an opponent.
Well they miss the ball and kick each other?
As well as going on to have a go at the ref and also the 4th official.Klopp was going mental at the Leeds fans because of the abuse they were shouting at the young lad as he lay in agony.
Cool mate.. I'm not wanting a fight on my first day back from not being here for many many years...You can’t possible tell from the available footage that it was the contact that resulted in the break and not the way he’s went over after their legs come together. But sure, we’ll agree to disagree.
Ridiculous. It was hardly even a foul it looked like the boys studs caught in the grass more than anything. Injuries happen in the game unfortunatelyAs far as I'm concerned, and I don't want to see challenge again, any over physical challenge that leads to horrific injuries like this boy has just suffered should be red cards.
I always think that there is maybe a weakness in the break area before it’s happened. Some totally innocuous challenges end up with horrible breaks.
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Agreed. You see umpteen tackles like that every weekend and hardly ever an injury. Timed poorly? Aye. Zero malice in that for me though. Just a horrific accident.Wasn't excessive imo. More unlucky for the young boy but the tackle wasn't bad in anyway for me.
Well, I would be making that challenge on the park any year you care to mention.The fact the player injured was young? It does not matter a jot what age the player is.. It was scissor challenge from behind, (guy i have just commented on said it was one leg after other but not scissor, %^*& me), the boy had no chance and from what i am seeing it is clear as day that the contact is what breaks his leg.. If that is not excessive then what in the hell is? Leg fully amputated in challenge?
OK. We'll, I think I'm going to leave it here.Ridiculous. It was hardly even a foul it looked like the boys studs caught in the grass more than anything. Injuries happen in the game unfortunately
Cool mate.. I'm not wanting a fight on my first day back from not being here for many many years...
Well, he went to win the ball and won the ball.It's not 1965 anymore mate. Intent doesn't matter.
Nonsensical ‘black and white’ way to look at it, both players are running at full pelt to chase the ball. It doesn’t necessarily take excessive force to break something in that scenario.If you snap someones leg in a tackle then that's excessive force.
Which is what should happen here. Especially when the red didn’t even give a foulSon of Tottenham made a similar challenge on Gomes of Everton two years ago and broke Gomes’s leg. He was red-carded but the FA downgraded that retrospectively to a yellow card.
Don't see the sense in that. Surely every similar one should be red under that logic regardless of injury severity? Or do you keep letting people get away with it until there's a terrible injury? Surely that's just encouraging it?As far as I'm concerned, and I don't want to see challenge again, any over physical challenge that leads to horrific injuries like this boy has just suffered should be red cards.