I thought they said the red was giving a red card, either way. He waited for confirmation. That’s what was said on the tele, I’m sure.Ref never even blew for a foul ......footballs a contact sport injury happen hopefully the lad makes a full recovery
With or without seeing it?I’d say if a tackle has broken someone’s leg he has probably endangered the safety of the opponent.
They did say that but he didn’t blow for a free kick so I think that was a lot of shite. They didn’t know what was going on, they weren’t showing replays.I thought they said the red was giving a red card, either way. He waited for confirmation. That’s what was said on the tele, I’m sure.
Okay, mate.They did say that but he didn’t blow for a free kick so I think that was a lot of shite. They didn’t know what was going on, they weren’t showing replays.
No. Not really. Encouraging? No discouraging.Don't see the sense in that. Surely every similar one should be red under that logic regardless of injury severity? Or do you keep letting people get away with it until there's a terrible injury? Surely that's just encouraging it?
For what it's worth it should have been a yellow card in my opinion regardless of the obvious unintentional consequences.
Define excessive course? Two players could go in for a 5050 with the exact same force and one breaks a leg, by your logic they both walk? Well one does… the other probably notIt's not about intent though.
If you go into a tackle with enough force to break someone's leg then IMO you're using excessive force and it's a red card.
Define excessive course? Two players could go in for a 5050 with the exact same force and one breaks a leg, by your logic they both walk? Well one does… the other probably not
If two go in with “excessive force” and one breaks their ankle, why does the one with the non-broken ankle walk if they both used the same force? “Excessive force” is a load of nonsense. Its either a good tackle or a bad tackle, force doesn’t matter because if he gets the ball it’s a great tackle.I defined it in that post mate.
If you go into a tackle with enough force to break someones leg then IMO you're using excessive force.
I tore my hamstring stretching for a ball that the opponent was stretching for at the same time, surely a red card for him too?I’d say if a tackle has broken someone’s leg he has probably endangered the safety of the opponent.
Doesn’t sound like he’s tackled you.I tore my hamstring stretching for a ball that the opponent was stretching for at the same time, surely a red card for him too?
I’m sure a couple of seasons back Son got a red rescinded because they said a severe injury shouldn’t automatically mean red.The tackle didn't look that bad but you only had the one angle. Looks like the red was given because of the injury.
Hopefully it's a clean break and he can make a full and quick recovery.
I know where you are coming from but you could argue every headed challenge has the potential to do serious injury to either player? Every time a goalie punches the ball in a sea of players heads also. Think it’s just one of those unfortunate things. If the guys ankle didn’t get trapped I don’t even think it would have been a foul (only seen it once in full speed so could be wrong here)I’d say if a tackle has broken someone’s leg he has probably endangered the safety of the opponent.
If two go in with “excessive force” and one breaks their ankle, why does the one with the non-broken ankle walk if they both used the same force? “Excessive force” is a load of nonsense. Its either a good tackle or a bad tackle, force doesn’t matter because if he gets the ball it’s a great tackle.
That’s by far the worst logic I have ever heard. If both go in with the same force it doesn’t mean both will break their ankle and equally i’ve seen leg breaks with little to no force so the force of a tackle is impossible to measure. 2 players can lunge into a 50/50, both hit each other with the same force and one unlucky bastards ankle is in bits. What then? Keeping in mind both used the same force. It’s either a good tackle or a poor tackle, the force is irrelevant because if he gets the ball the force doesn’t matter one jot.If two players go into a tackle and one breaks their ankle then only one of the players has went in with excessive force.
As for your second point, I understand that that's how you'd like to see football played but they aren't the rules of football anymore.
That’s by far the worst logic I have ever heard. If both go in with the same force it doesn’t mean both will break their ankle and equally i’ve seen leg breaks with little to no force so the force of a tackle is impossible to measure. 2 players can lunge into a 50/50, both hit each other with the same force and one unlucky bastards ankle is in bits. What then? Keeping in mind both used the same force. It’s either a good tackle or a poor tackle, the force is irrelevant because if he gets the ball the force doesn’t matter one jot.
I dont even think the ref shows a card if he bounces back upHorrible seeing a player getting injured like that. Have my doubts if the ref would’ve shown a red had Elliot not got injured though. Really unfortunate
If they both go to kick the ball the way you'd hit a free kick or penalty (as an example), I don't think it's possible to generate enough force to snap someone's leg. If it did happen then I don't think it would be a red.
If they go over the top of the ball and catch the person on the shin stamping down then yes it's a red.
I only watched it in real time but it looked broken further up his shin rather than dislocated. Either way I hope he recovers from it in good time.
Ref looked to be letting play run until he seen salahs reaction. Think that’s what’s brought out the red imoI dont even think the ref shows a card if he bounces back up
Agreed there was no intent to hurt elliot Granted but the tackle is very poor. Why there is so many people saying it's not a red card is baffling to me watched it multiple times its a definite redOutrageous attempt at a tackle...
Agree with this and also the ref sent Son off purely because of the injury the Everton boy sustained. When questioned by Spurs staff why it’s a sending off the ref said “look at the state of his leg”. Complete accident but understand why the refs feel the need to ref card when legs are broken as the emotions must take over.What a horrible injury, I actually thought it was his knee at first but looking at it again it was his ankle.
Pretty similar situation to the leg break that Son was involved in last season, nothing malicious in the tackle but a freak incident that resulted in a bad injury.
I actually feel bad for the both of them!
I've not seen it back but if you snap someone's leg in a tackle then it should be a red card.
I know it sounds strange but if its a clean break then it's much better than ligament damage when it comes to rehab.
If it's a clean break then I wouldn't be surprised to see the lad back playing in January/February.
Absolute nonsense, it's a physical contact sport.I never said the Leads player was malicious or went with intent. But there's got to be consequences for horrific injuries that happen due to the physical nature of other players.
It was a tackle he attempted due to my initial mis-control but by your logic he deserved a red card because I sustained an injuryDoesn’t sound like he’s tackled you.
Well the challenge was neither, so what do you do?As far as I'm concerned, and I don't want to see challenge again, any over physical challenge that leads to horrific injuries like this boy has just suffered should be red cards.
Alan Hutton utterly destroys that theory.If two players go into a tackle and one breaks their ankle then only one of the players has went in with excessive force.
As for your second point, I understand that that's how you'd like to see football played but they aren't the rules of football anymore.
BTW players can get freak injuries. Plenty of players get injured without there being much 'force' in the tackle.
Playing a couple of years ago against Petershill. Two players go in for a slide tackle, nothing in the tackle at all, but the Petershill players' studs got caught in the turf and his ankle twisted - not too dissimilar to Elliott's today.
A bad injury doesn't mean it's a bad foul / red card.
That's complete nonsense.If two players go into a tackle and one breaks their ankle then only one of the players has went in with excessive force.
As for your second point, I understand that that's how you'd like to see football played but they aren't the rules of football anymore.