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Scaramanga

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Has every player said they want to do it?
What does it matter though? What are you getting at here? At least one of our players has very clearly stated that they want to do it and even justified why when they really shouldn’t have had to. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.

I mean it’s been compared to Nazi Germany, the thread is bonkers and terrifying by in equal measure. mentally challengeds telling Slavia fans to have a listen on Saturday are no doubt doing so after hearing these idiots at our friendlies over the last couple of weeks, and scanning threads like this. We’re nearly 20 pages deep and there’s still not one solid argument for why people should be booing the players.

As someone else said, a portion of our support are actually ready and wiling to load the gun for the scum, the media and all our detractors. It is absolutely ridiculous beyond words. There can’t be too many supports out there so ready and willing to drag their clubs name into the gutter with them.
 

1312

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Our players and mamager went on platforms like sky sports and their social media infront of millions to open up on the situation, why they're doing it and to talk about their experience for us all to understand

The people booings only platform to our players is booing from the stands

The team aren't going to interpret it as what you've read from groups, pages and articles ect
 

Carlisle Bear

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What does it matter though? What are you getting at here? At least one of our players has very clearly stated that they want to do it and even justified why when they really shouldn’t have had to. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.

I mean it’s been compared to Nazi Germany, the thread is bonkers and terrifying by in equal measure. mentally challengeds telling Slavia fans to have a listen on Saturday are no doubt doing so after hearing these idiots at our friendlies over the last couple of weeks, and scanning threads like this. We’re nearly 20 pages deep and there’s still not one solid argument for why people should be booing the players.

As someone else said, a portion of our support are actually ready and wiling to load the gun for the scum, the media and all our detractors. It is absolutely ridiculous beyond words. There can’t be too many supports out there so ready and willing to drag their clubs name into the gutter with them.
The uncomfortable truth is that element of the support very much exists and there's no use arguing with them. Their day out acting like a total degenerate in the name of supporting Rangers is much more important to them than Rangers itself.
 

Gheorghe_Hagi

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Honestly, if the Kamara thing had happened to another clubs player you’d have had a group here claiming Kudela shouldn’t be punished because there’s no concrete evidence or audio proof of him having said what he did.
Mate, I had a poster on here say to me he disagreed with the ban Kudela received because it infringed on his freedom of speech. Desperately wish I was joking.
 

Buzzbear

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I have served around the world and one thing to me is clear is you cannot solve division by creating another. It is frustrating to watch the two sides descend into such entrenched positions - the players say they are taking a stand against racism by using a gesture which is very much associated with the BLM political movement. Those who boo mostly are taking the view they support the fight against racism but cannot support the association with the political movement.

Accusations fly around that the other side does not support or understand their POV which is far from the truth. Neither side can find common ground and in my view the only casualty here is the fight against racism.

We must find a way of re-focusing on the common ground of our core message Everyone, Anyone.
 

TheDerryend

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Can't believe we're still discussing this. People so full of rage and hatred that they can't stop themselves from booing for five seconds at a simple anti racism gesture that doesn't impact their life in any way whatsoever.

It'd actually be very sad if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.
If your going on saturday, dig them up for it, not coming on here and having a go on a thread in which not one poster has said they will boo it.

I've had a go at the occasional c**ts who shout abuse at some of our players, just for the hell of it. Never understood that attitude.

Is this a huge problem we have? because I haven't heard anyone outside of here even mention it, which to be honest, is the way it should be.

Anybody who's there on sat and the few that may boo, just need to be hushed by people around them. They'll get the message and I think there will be so few of them it will hardly be a problem, unless people are stupid enough to boo back at them.
 

BrotherMoses

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If your going on saturday, dig them up for it, not coming on here and having a go on a thread in which not one poster has said they will boo it.

I've had a go at the occasional c**ts who shout abuse at some of our players, just for the hell of it. Never understood that attitude.

Is this a huge problem we have? because I haven't heard anyone outside of here even mention it, which to be honest, is the way it should be.

Anybody who's there on sat and the few that may boo, just need to be hushed by people around them. They'll get the message and I think there will be so few of them it will hardly be a problem, unless people are stupid enough to boo back at them.
I was there on Sunday and did exactly that. I'll do the same again when it inevitably happens on Saturday.

Doesn't mean I can't come on here and express my opinion that those people are fuckin clown shoes
 

TheDerryend

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I was there on Sunday and did exactly that. I'll do the same again when it inevitably happens on Saturday.

Doesn't mean I can't come on here and express my opinion that those people are fuckin clown shoes
Well, did they take notice of you? I think that's all it takes, but going by some on here, it's a huge problem. Is this true? because I dont ever remember a problem like this with Rangers fans.

Well done for calling them out, if others do the same it will soon stop. I'll say this again, don't boo them, all that will do is make it sound worse.
 

Br55mloanWATP

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Screaming the word Marxist like some kind of deranged, borderline demented 1950s US Senator at everyone or view that disagrees with you or you disagree with is my favourite bit of this thread. I'm sure every player taking a knee is doing it because they are strong believers in every word of Das Kapital.
 

Robocop1977

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Screaming the word Marxist like some kind of deranged, borderline demented 1950s US Senator at everyone or view that disagrees with you or you disagree with is my favourite bit of this thread. I'm sure every player taking a knee is doing it because they are strong believers in every word of Das Kapital.
I don’t think many on here have screamed the word Marxist at anyone, in fact it’s probably mentioned more by folk like u as a a tool to dismiss any opposing view you don’t like on the thread.

You’ve even went and mentioned Das Kapital in italics, Look at you! :cool:
 

xd182

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I don’t think many on here have screamed the word Marxist at anyone, in fact it’s probably mentioned more by folk like u as a a tool to dismiss any opposing view you don’t like on the thread.

You’ve even went and mentioned Das Kapital in italics, wow!
I had a guy screaming “f’n Marxist b@$t*>ds” at the top of his lungs behind me in the club deck against Real Madrid. So… it’s not like it hasn’t happened.
 

TheDerryend

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Screaming the word Marxist like some kind of deranged, borderline demented 1950s US Senator at everyone or view that disagrees with you or you disagree with is my favourite bit of this thread. I'm sure every player taking a knee is doing it because they are strong believers in every word of Das Kapital.
Much the same as people who are called all sorts from the other side. Nazi's, Racists. Never by name though, always by innuendo, if you have another opinion.

I know f**k all about Marx except that he was an anti semite and any country that attempted his ideas has failed miserably.

To be clear, I will never boo the players for this, never. Nobody on here said they would.

I dont even know much about BLM, but I suspect that like all well meaning causes, radicals get involved and want the violent route.

I can distinguish between both.
 

Robocop1977

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I had a guy screaming “f’n Marxist b@$t*>ds” at the top of his lungs behind me in the club deck against Real Madrid. So… it’s not like it hasn’t happened.
I was walking down the street the other day and the female Swedish beach volleyball team were scissoring each other and stopped and asked me to join in, so….it’s not like it hasn’t happened
 

xd182

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I was walking down the street the other day and the female Swedish beach volleyball team were scissoring each other and stopped and asked me to join in, so….it’s not like it hasn’t happened
Some sensational mental gymnastics there.
 

bilkobear

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I hate this divisive thread and I am suspicious of some on it who relish it.

That said, even if you despise the insidious nature of how BLM spread its toxic politics into the UK, it would be nuts to suspect that our players were doing anything other than something from which they intend good.
These are sincere men trying to deliver something good and that is the end of it.

The simple test to decide how you feel about this matter is to ask yourself how would you behave if you were standing next to Steven Gerrard as our players take the knee.
Behave as you would in that situation and everything will be fine.
 

derbyloyal

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I don't see for the life of me what the issue is here. Taking the knee is a sign/form of protest, it was long established before the extremist scumbags on the far left hijacked it. Not one man amongst my peer group, and I'd wager that my peer group is more 'ethnically diverse' than that of anyone else commenting on here, has anything but contempt for BLM UK and Marxism in general.

We see it as yet another example of black culture and struggle being misappropriated for the benefit of those for whom the true aim, racial equality and justice in this case, is not the goal.

No one is asking YOU to kneel, we kneel to protest the injustices that are our everyday lives and to draw attention to the fact that, in the 21st century, we are still not treated as equals.

All those who think the UK to be 'racially harmonious' and that we don't have a problem with racism here, well, let me tell you from bitter experience, you are wrong. I'm not prepared to explain why or list specific examples from my own life (have you any idea how difficult and demeaning that is?!) but I can assure you racism is alive and well in the United Kingdom and has a detrimental effect on people like me EVERY DAY.

We as a support did so well and made me so proud, to the point where merely explaining it to my peers had me in tears of pride, when one of our own was wronged. It means so much to know that people 'get' it. Please, I implore you, don't spoil it by booing OUR OWN when they exercise their right to protest against racial inequality.
 

Gheorghe_Hagi

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Screaming the word Marxist like some kind of deranged, borderline demented 1950s US Senator at everyone or view that disagrees with you or you disagree with is my favourite bit of this thread. I'm sure every player taking a knee is doing it because they are strong believers in every word of Das Kapital.
Our Connor is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is NOT a porn star!
 

Robocop1977

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I hate this divisive thread and I am suspicious of some on it who relish it.

That said, even if you despise the insidious nature of how BLM spread its toxic politics into the UK, it would be nuts to suspect that our players were doing anything other than something from which they intend good.
These are sincere men trying to deliver something good and that is the end of it.

The simple test to decide how you feel about this matter is to ask yourself how would you behave if you were standing next to Steven Gerrard as our players take the knee.
Behave as you would in that situation and everything will be fine.
No-one has actually booed or said they would boo however idiots on here are dishing out “Your a racist’ quicker than Blue Peter badges for something that hasn’t even happened. Bonkers

Edit, BarneyBear has just f*cked up my point.
 

Br55mloanWATP

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Our Connor is not a communist! He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is NOT a porn star!
Jimmy Bell: Ok, I'm an Elk, a Mason, a Communist, the president of The Gay and Lesbian Committee for some reason. Oh, here it is... The Stonecutters.

Goldson: Yes, thank you Jimmy. Lets go!... I'll take this Communist one too!
 

YoungGer97

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I will be booing! Sorry for those that think sport and politics are mixable!
Its a real tragedy that people like you will be in attendance and playing a part in victimising our own players and supporters of a black/BAME background. You say dont mix football and politics yet Rangers FC is a club steeped in politics and you are yourself being political by booing their act. Maybe you should read several of the posts in this thread from users of a BAME background who themselves have said they despise BLM and their politics yet still maintain that they appreciate the solidarity our team, players and supporters can offer them. Its absolutely fucking mortifying that you think this is acceptable when you have fellow bears in this thread such as the poster ive quoted below giving you their first hand experiences. Maybe read this and the others in the thread and reflect on your frankly warped mindset. If you genuinely plan to boo i sincerely hope whatever mode of transport to Ibrox you use on saturday breaks down before the game. People like you are a an absolute stain on our football club and the values of our support by your association with it. We'll have you to thank when politicians, public and the media in Scotland and the wider UK are vilifying us for being ignorant neanderthals to our own team and associating unionism and britishness with it.
I don't see for the life of me what the issue is here. Taking the knee is a sign/form of protest, it was long established before the extremist scumbags on the far left hijacked it. Not one man amongst my peer group, and I'd wager that my peer group is more 'ethnically diverse' than that of anyone else commenting on here, has anything but contempt for BLM UK and Marxism in general.

We see it as yet another example of black culture and struggle being misappropriated for the benefit of those for whom the true aim, racial equality and justice in this case, is not the goal.

No one is asking YOU to kneel, we kneel to protest the injustices that are our everyday lives and to draw attention to the fact that, in the 21st century, we are still not treated as equals.

All those who think the UK to be 'racially harmonious' and that we don't have a problem with racism here, well, let me tell you from bitter experience, you are wrong. I'm not prepared to explain why or list specific examples from my own life (have you any idea how difficult and demeaning that is?!) but I can assure you racism is alive and well in the United Kingdom and has a detrimental effect on people like me EVERY DAY.

We as a support did so well and made me so proud, to the point where merely explaining it to my peers had me in tears of pride, when one of our own was wronged. It means so much to know that people 'get' it. Please, I implore you, don't spoil it by booing OUR OWN when they exercise their right to protest against racial inequality.
 

Bowery Boy

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No-one has actually booed or said they would boo however idiots on here are dishing out “Your a racist’ quicker than Blue Peter badges for something that hasn’t even happened. Bonkers

Edit, BarneyBear has just f*cked up my point.
The point I've tried to make is that it won't matter why people are booing. If they're doing it because they don't agree with the political ideology of BLM, whatever. That's not how it will be perceived. There won't be any nuance. It will be reported as Rangers fans are racist. We'll all be tarred the same. It can only harm the club. It could also have an impact on our players' relationship with the support. I've no idea how anyone could be so selfish as to take that risk.
 

bilkobear

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I will be booing! Sorry for those that think sport and politics are mixable!
Would you honestly boo Rangers players if you were standing beside our manager Steven Gerrard?
I don't believe you would.
I can understand why you don't like this.
But don't boo, because you are then misunderstanding the decent sincerity of our players even as they themselves misunderstand the insidious nature and manipulation of this entire matter.
If anything just sing there is only one Glen Kamara.
 

Audubon Blue

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I will be booing! Sorry for those that think sport and politics are mixable!

barneybear

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monkey magic said:
Its difficult to disassociate the numerous Yes flags at Scotland games and the booing of Rangers players, two issues which the SFA have deliberately refused to condemn. Supporting the nation should be for everyone, and politics put aside, but the SFA clearly have no interest in seeking that aim.
And me ending up in fisticuffs, because of that, with these TA wankers on at least four occasions.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Fighting the Tartan Army because they boo Rangers players.

You will be booing Rangers players on Saturday though.
 
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Bleedsroyalblue

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I will be booing! Sorry for those that think sport and politics are mixable!

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Bowery Boy

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I don't see for the life of me what the issue is here. Taking the knee is a sign/form of protest, it was long established before the extremist scumbags on the far left hijacked it. Not one man amongst my peer group, and I'd wager that my peer group is more 'ethnically diverse' than that of anyone else commenting on here, has anything but contempt for BLM UK and Marxism in general.

We see it as yet another example of black culture and struggle being misappropriated for the benefit of those for whom the true aim, racial equality and justice in this case, is not the goal.

No one is asking YOU to kneel, we kneel to protest the injustices that are our everyday lives and to draw attention to the fact that, in the 21st century, we are still not treated as equals.

All those who think the UK to be 'racially harmonious' and that we don't have a problem with racism here, well, let me tell you from bitter experience, you are wrong. I'm not prepared to explain why or list specific examples from my own life (have you any idea how difficult and demeaning that is?!) but I can assure you racism is alive and well in the United Kingdom and has a detrimental effect on people like me EVERY DAY.

We as a support did so well and made me so proud, to the point where merely explaining it to my peers had me in tears of pride, when one of our own was wronged. It means so much to know that people 'get' it. Please, I implore you, don't spoil it by booing OUR OWN when they exercise their right to protest against racial inequality.
Might be a good idea just to close the thread on this.
 

TheDerryend

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I hate this divisive thread and I am suspicious of some on it who relish it.

That said, even if you despise the insidious nature of how BLM spread its toxic politics into the UK, it would be nuts to suspect that our players were doing anything other than something from which they intend good.
These are sincere men trying to deliver something good and that is the end of it.

The simple test to decide how you feel about this matter is to ask yourself how would you behave if you were standing next to Steven Gerrard as our players take the knee.
Behave as you would in that situation and everything will be fine.
Possibly the most sensible and well thought out post on here. Well played, a balanced bit of writing, abuse free. Nothing I disagree with here.
 

BarcaBlue72

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If you seriously believe taking the knee is a divisive act then you really are the problem. I can't believe people are telling victims of racism how they should protest it? Of course taking the knee is never going to end racism but it's probably been more effective in educating people of the these issues than any other campaign. The more educated people become about this then the greater chance we have of actually eradicating racism. Yet people continue to believe far fetched theories of marxism and links to a niche political organisation that posters and players have continuously acknowledged is unrelated to why they are doing it.
 

Robocop1977

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If you seriously believe taking the knee is a divisive act then you really are the problem. I can't believe people are telling victims of racism how they should protest it? Of course taking the knee is never going to end racism but it's probably been more effective in educating people of the these issues than any other campaign. The more educated people become about this then the greater chance we have of actually eradicating racism. Yet people continue to believe far fetched theories of marxism and links to a niche political organisation that posters and players have continuously acknowledged is unrelated to why they are doing it.
Again, many on the thread have explained at great length to give their opinion on why taking the knee could cause a divided opinion. Most have not mentioned Marxism. But as per usual you and many others can’t resist chucking in the word Marxism making your point just sound like bullsh1t bingo.
 

BarcaBlue72

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Again, many on the thread have explained at great length to give their opinion on why taking the knee could cause a divided opinion. Most have not mentioned Marxism. But as per usual you and many others can’t resist chucking in the word Marxism making your point just sound like bullsh1t bingo.
Well explain to me why you find taking the knee to be divisive then? Is your reason the continuously discredited links to a niche political organisation that the majority of the general public probably know little about? The players are doing something they strongly believe in, the fact we have fans who openly appose them doing so is terrible. I physically cannot see any moral argument that justifies opposing this.
 

KPRangers

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What does it matter though? What are you getting at here? At least one of our players has very clearly stated that they want to do it and even justified why when they really shouldn’t have had to. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.

I mean it’s been compared to Nazi Germany, the thread is bonkers and terrifying by in equal measure. mentally challengeds telling Slavia fans to have a listen on Saturday are no doubt doing so after hearing these idiots at our friendlies over the last couple of weeks, and scanning threads like this. We’re nearly 20 pages deep and there’s still not one solid argument for why people should be booing the players.

As someone else said, a portion of our support are actually ready and wiling to load the gun for the scum, the media and all our detractors. It is absolutely ridiculous beyond words. There can’t be too many supports out there so ready and willing to drag their clubs name into the gutter with them.
Just on your last paragraph mate. Why are you worried about the opinions of people who despise us? People who oils that give Rangers credit if we cured cancer.
 

Robocop1977

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Well explain to me why you find taking the knee to be divisive then? Is your reason the continuously discredited links to a niche political organisation that the majority of the general public probably know little about? The players are doing something they strongly believe in, the fact we have fans who openly appose them doing so is terrible. I physically cannot see any moral argument that justifies opposing this.
have I said I find it divisive?

but Marxism an that.
 

Scaramanga

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Just on your last paragraph mate. Why are you worried about the opinions of people who despise us? People who oils that give Rangers credit if we cured cancer.
Because poor word of mouth travels. That’ll impact on the clubs reputation, it’ll impact on sponsorship deals, it will therefore impact on the club’s earning potential, and it may even be the difference between a player or member of club stuff deciding to come here or go and play elsewhere.

Someone scoffed at the idea a player wouldn’t not sign a new contract because of something like idiots booing their protest. Well it’s really not that big of a reach given the seriousness of the issue they’re protesting, and at the very least it could effect their focus or even how much they’re willing to push themselves for the fans. Of course all of this could be easily avoided by morons deciding to keep schtum for 5 seconds.
 

Tugay1872

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Guys & gals, I'm not being funny but the amount of times this thread has been bumped up regularly is embarrassing.

Its too divisive a topic, and the grey areas of the subject are getting peoples views misconstrued as either (a) extreme far right POV or (b) extreme left POV; when in truth thats not the case.

Lets just drop it, and support whatever our players wish to do, eh?
 

RickDagless

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111 posts and yet more p1sh.
You’re taking quite an interest in my posting habits son, you ok?

I stand by everything I’ve said in this thread, and I’ll be able to look myself in the mirror tomorrow and know that im not a moron who is desperately trying to push his own insecurities on an anti-racist gesture.

And fwiw, I don’t post all that often until something moves me to do so. Cretins threatening to embarrass my club because their own prejudices are more important tends to be one such thing.
 
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