Tav Contract

He's 31 and he's no longer in his peak, but I think we've at least got a few more years before we have to worry about finding a long term successor to Tav.

All this talk about him slowing down is a bit premature imo. I'm in the wait and see how he is after pre season under Beale before writing him off, I think he's earned that. Hasn't been at his vintage best this year but none of our players have been. It could be he's declining or it could be he's just had an average season.

It's been said to death on here, but I don't think our fans will fully appreciate what Tav brings to the side, until it's gone. I'm not against trying to future proof the squad, but in the case of Tavernier, I think we'll all quickly realise that's a lot more difficult to do.
 
I’m dreading Tav leaving. We’ve tried and failed umpteen times to get another right back anywhere near his level (even his current level). I’d be amazed if the next long-term right back gives us what Tav does. Be careful what you wish for.

And “subjected to” is disrespectful drivel.
 
The Director said:
Devine is nowhere near the level of Tav and never will be. We need to start the planning of life after Tav but until someone can come in and provide what he does that ain’t happening.

Hodson
Flanagan
Polster
Patterson
Zukowski
Devine

We need an actual attacking fullback that can do what Tav does - at a minimum.
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Correct

The weird push for Devine who has never looked anything like good enough takes me way back to the get rid of tav for Hodson shouts

it’s almost as if think folk, Tav is playing shite, surely no one else can be as shite so just fling anyone in.
 
Soop1980 said:
The thing is though. If tav had been in celtics team this season or last would they have lost the league? For me, I think they would have improved by quite a lot. He's not the reason we aren't winning the league. He has cost us a couple of goals but in my opinion a lot of the goals we lose is because our centre backs don't clear crosses that come in to their positions or even midfielders losing their men.

Everyone talks about how he doesn't cut out crosses but to be fair he stops a lot of them before they get there and the ones he doesn't shouldn't automatically be leading to goals. No right or left back anywhere is keeping people from crossing in for the whole game. I think goldson has been more culpable for goals lost and certainly his partners at centre back have. I would say the biggest downturn in his form this season has been his attacking ability and gio played a massive part in that. He ruined both tav and barasic and it is no surprise that they have improved massively since Beale has come in.
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I totally get your argument mate and I don’t take any pleasure in calling out the like of Tav and Goodson. It’s my belief there is a cultural issue at our club. I can understand it as well, they had a mountain to climb to get 55.
I believe there are too many at our club now who can live with 2nd best a little too easily, staff and players.

I also support DP and the rest of the board but he needs to employ a football specialist CEO to take this club back to the top. The football operations team in its entirety needs to be reviewed and people replaced to ensure the manager, who is the right man for the job, gets the support he needs to take us back to the top.

We may win the odd cup with these long term senior players but they don’t have or no longer have that last 1% that takes you to the top and keeps you there.
We need to phase these players out, they have had their time and Beale has to be given the backing to succeed and get us back to the top.

He knows this and the cup final confirmed everything he needed to know.
There players should have been phased out in a manageable way over the past 2 seasons. The fact we haven’t moved forward since 55 now makes the required rebuild all the more difficult.

Look, I don’t know anymore than any other fan out there but I firmly believe we will win nothing with the likes of Goldson, Tav, Lunstram, McGregor, Borna, Kamara etc… at the core of this team. It’s not about individual player stats, it’s about the collective mentality of a winning team and we don’t have it.

The January signings look excellent, I think the main priority is the back 4 and the GK, that work has to start now. If we go another 2 or 3 seasons with these players we will win nothing.

As I’ve said many times recently, Mr Robertson has spent a lot of money taking us to mediocrity and 2nd place and continues to spend a lot of money keeping us there. That needs fixed first.
 
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RangersLad1983 said:
I beg to differ I think he is past his best days and he will play on of course with a lot of misplaced passes which we are used to but he will score important penalties and still do well going forward we've come to expect what we get from him,some fans love and some can't stand him.
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No worries, fella. It's all about opinions. Time will tell, I guess.
 
DKRangers said:
I just don't agree with this at all. Goldson and Tav are two of our players who'd walk into the Celtic team. It's the rest of our squad that needs improved first of all.
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That’s fair enough mate, it’s not about individual players and stats for me, it’s about the culture underpinning our football operation and arguably the whole corporate organization. Look, I hope I’m worms and Tav goes onto lift the next e league titles but I don’t think that, or anything close to that will happen.
 
BoyInRoyalBlue said:
Correct

The weird push for Devine who has never looked anything like good enough takes me way back to the get rid of tav for Hodson shouts

it’s almost as if think folk, Tav is playing shite, surely no one else can be as shite so just fling anyone in.
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I don’t believe Devine is even close to taking over, this is where smart recruitment comes in, we need a similar standard to Ridvan and the 2 January signings to replace the likes of Tav.
 
BoyInRoyalBlue said:
Correct

The weird push for Devine who has never looked anything like good enough takes me way back to the get rid of tav for Hodson shouts

it’s almost as if think folk, Tav is playing shite, surely no one else can be as shite so just fling anyone in.
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“Play the kids” is the go to shout anytime we are struggling.

“They can’t be worse than what’s there”, is another. When they quite clearly either aren’t ready, or aren’t good enough. Otherwise they would be playing!

Tav hasn’t had his best season, that’s undeniable, his defending has never been his strong suit, but I also think it’s been blown a bit out of proportion due to our struggles this year.
 
Madjid Moments said:
Given that our captain has a contract up to May 2026, are we going to be subjected to him as our 1st choice RB for the next 3 years or will we either push Devine or a new RB to challenge and take over this position?

I am a big Tav fan and love the contribution he has given to our club but think the thought of another 3 years is a pretty grim prospect given by the end of it he would be 34 and already showing some decline now.

I think he will be fully deserving of a testimonial after 10 years but I hope that the club are looking at a long term succession plan here.
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A good post, my belief he has peaked in the 55 and EL Sseasons.
Watching him then, he was dynamic exciting,,excellant but it appears those days have gone,hpe he can from somewhere retrieve that magic spell.
 
Madjid Moments said:
Given that our captain has a contract up to May 2026, are we going to be subjected to him as our 1st choice RB for the next 3 years or will we either push Devine or a new RB to challenge and take over this position?

I am a big Tav fan and love the contribution he has given to our club but think the thought of another 3 years is a pretty grim prospect given by the end of it he would be 34 and already showing some decline now.

I think he will be fully deserving of a testimonial after 10 years but I hope that the club are looking at a long term succession plan here.
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You know, I get totally fucked off reading pish like this. Tav offers so much to our team, his number for a right back are off the chart. He's a model professional who leads a quiet life and upholds our standards as we expect. So what if he has a couple of bad performances? He's not the first player and he certainly won't be the last. I for one hope he finishes his career with us and adds a few more medals.
 
Paisley Blue said:
You know, I get totally fucked off reading pish like this. Tav offers so much to our team, his number for a right back are off the chart. He's a model professional who leads a quiet life and upholds our standards as we expect. So what if he has a couple of bad performances? He's not the first player and he certainly won't be the last. I for one hope he finishes his career with us and adds a few more medals.
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Where have I said “a couple of bad performances”

People read something and make the rest up. I said he’s been poor this season and is in decline to his previous standards.
 
RangersLad1983 said:
I beg to differ I think he is past his best days and he will play on of course with a lot of misplaced passes which we are used to but he will score important penalties and still do well going forward we've come to expect what we get from him,some fans love and some can't stand him.
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See it’s this kind of language that I think is fucking appalling when it comes to Tav. “Can’t stand him”?! A harmless guy like Tav who has given his all no matter what you think of him as a player.

I “couldnt stand” Ian Black. One if the very few Rangers players I’d ever go to that lengths to. To say that about Tav is shameful imo. What has he actually done to deserve that?
 
Galstonian Oranje said:
We're not far away from Tav being worth more to us than he is if he was sold for a fee.
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I personally think we’re past that stage. No fee we could’ve got for him has been worth more than what he’s given us.

People struggle to accept that not every player who plays for us needs to be worth millions or sold on, some people are worth more than that. See Dortmund at Ibrox last year, would a few million pound in a transfer fee replace that feeling? Not a fucking chance. He’s our captain, deservedly so and is rightfully in our hall of fame. Rangers legends like him deserve more respect than the spoilt brat fans we have today give him.
 
CMW55 said:
I really liked Whittaker, acknowledge he was worth a mention and certainly gave me some great memories.

My main point re Tav though is he is one of our top 3 right backs since the late 80s and I think it’s crazy people are so desperate for him to be replaced.
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Going forward without a doubt. Defending, not a chance...he's like Stevie Wonder back there.
 
Lovenkrands26 said:
I personally think we’re past that stage. No fee we could’ve got for him has been worth more than what he’s given us.

People struggle to accept that not every player who plays for us needs to be worth millions or sold on, some people are worth more than that. See Dortmund at Ibrox last year, would a few million pound in a transfer fee replace that feeling? Not a fucking chance. He’s our captain, deservedly so and is rightfully in our hall of fame. Rangers legends like him deserve more respect than the spoilt brat fans we have today give him.
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It might be compensation for the slew of humiliating cup exits, of which he was a key component of several. People are so busy being angry at anyone who thinks it’s time for a change they forget these things, and the fact that it’s ultimately about Rangers winning things, and we’ve won very little with these players, Tav included.

The idea everyone’s out to get him is hilarious when you look at the way people are regularly accosted by large groups of pitch folk weirding fans for suggesting it would be better to include him in the clear out, or for suggesting that he might be partly culpable for a goal that resulted from him giving the ball away, or that his comments in a match day programme are embarrassing from a rangers captain etc etc. And the hall of fame thing is embarrassing, don’t really care what anyone thinks, it cheapens it. But then Jig is in it too…..
 
King Tut said:
It might be compensation for the slew of humiliating cup exits, of which he was a key component of several. People are so busy being angry at anyone who thinks it’s time for a change they forget these things, and the fact that it’s ultimately about Rangers winning things, and we’ve won very little with these players, Tav included.

The idea everyone’s out to get him is hilarious when you look at the way people are regularly accosted by large groups of pitch folk weirding fans for suggesting it would be better to include him in the clear out, or for suggesting that he might be partly culpable for a goal that resulted from him giving the ball away, or that his comments in a match day programme are embarrassing from a rangers captain etc etc. And the hall of fame thing is embarrassing, don’t really care what anyone thinks, it cheapens it. But then Jig is in it too…..
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Shock horror you don’t agree. Could’ve predicted that along with a couple of others who no doubt will be along soon.
 
Subjected to in the same way I’d be subjected to Dua Lipa sucking me off

She’s something else her by the way
 
The Director said:
Devine is nowhere near the level of Tav and never will be. We need to start the planning of life after Tav but until someone can come in and provide what he does that ain’t happening.

Hodson
Flanagan
Polster
Patterson
Zukowski
Devine

We need an actual attacking fullback that can do what Tav does - at a minimum.
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Whatever happened to zukowski?
 
Lovenkrands26 said:
Shock horror you don’t agree. Could’ve predicted that along with a couple of others who no doubt will be along soon.
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Well yeah, we’ve chucked away another league title and blown a cup final so it should be predictable, unless you thought the cheap concession of another league title and domestic cup was likely to sway me! Nice guy, great signing for the money. But there has to come a time when we say enough is enough, same goes for the entire squad.
 
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LismoreGer said:
Spot on mate, it’s like ground hog day. Another Disaster of a season through the same players making the same errors and showing the same attitude, And it will continue as such until serial losers like Tav are replaced. They go on about numbers and stats but don’t like to accept that the numbers and stats of trophy’s won by this team over the course, is shameful and not what should be tolerated at our great club. I still can’t believe Tav has been inducted onto the HoF. It’s a sad indictment of how low our standards have fallen and it’s worrying for the future that the board and alot of fans seem to be accepting this.
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What a pile of pish.
 
Chester Loyal said:
The three you mentioned are definitely better but I think Whittaker is closer to them than you think. I actually think Whittaker was one of our most underrated players during Walters second spell with us.

Whittaker also had the versatility to play left back, centre half and anywhere across the midfield too.
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Whittaker was half as good as tav at attacking and a 1/3rd as good at defending. Not sure if he managed to cut out one cross in the whole time he was with us. If he'd have been judges half as critically as tav had we'd have been calling for him out from day one.
 
Had his spells of brilliance, 55 season and run to Seville, but clearly well on the decline.

Need rid of most of the 'big names' that were here under Gerrard imo, Tav included. Too much shitebaggery in that group..
 
I think Tavs got better recently after a poor start, obviously by next year he will need a good backup to challenge him more and maybe take away the burden of playing too many games.
He and Barisic will always lose goals as they are asked to go forward as much as they are asked to defend.
 
SmileyBear said:
I think Tavs got better recently after a poor start, obviously by next year he will need a good backup to challenge him more and maybe take away the burden of playing too many games.
He and Barisic will always lose goals as they are asked to go forward as much as they are asked to defend.
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I don't think he's on the decline and the post above seems to reinforce that. I agree with you, he's got better recently. However, I think he's been really sloppy of late. Maybe a proper back up would push his performances further.
 
The Director said:
Devine is nowhere near the level of Tav and never will be. We need to start the planning of life after Tav but until someone can come in and provide what he does that ain’t happening.

Hodson
Flanagan
Polster
Patterson
Zukowski
Devine

We need an actual attacking fullback that can do what Tav does - at a minimum.
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I think we need a full back that can defend as first priority
 
I’m a fan of Tav and fully expect him to hold down the RB position for next 2-3 years, that said would like to see Devine get more game time … he’s a prospect.
 
Lovenkrands Dug said:
Without trying to sound like I'm putting the boot in too much, those assists are a fair bit down from his usual are they not? Which would be reflective of his quality of delivery this season, which I'm sure he'd admit himself hasn't been his best.
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Probably doesn't help that we started the season playing defensively. Also, we've hardly had a prolific striker.
 
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