Tav still has a big part to play

Some still see Tavernier playing a big part next season, but there’s little talk of a contract extension, despite him entering his final year. If we quietly accept he’s winding down, it’s only because his recent performances are showing it.
 
Theres a fair chance that come the end of the season hes 5th place in terms of all time appearances for the club.

Depending on how he performs this season he could even end up overtaking Super and ending up 3rd, should he stick around next season as well.
 
Will probably be a 4/5th choice CB behind Coady, the Wolves loaned, Souttar and Fernandez.
Cover for Aarons at RB too.
So behind Coady who is not even signed the perma injured Soutar and Fernadez who has spent most of his career in non league football and based on today Aarons is nowhere near the level of Tav.
 
I'd rather see him play at RCB than the RWB role. He doesn't have the pace that he used to be at top level. His experience and passing would suit him and team st RCB.

I just feel pacy wingers will catch him out too much
 
Some still see Tavernier playing a big part next season, but there’s little talk of a contract extension, despite him entering his final year. If we quietly accept he’s winding down, it’s only because his recent performances are showing it.
I think both Tav and the club will wait to see how this season goes for him. Older players often only get an extension at the end of the season. See Greegsy who signed his last extension on the 22nd of June, just before the start of the new season.
 
Tavernier performed well in a non accustomed position , but it’s telling that two changes were made in his natural position and he wasn’t considered for either. We shouldn’t be shoehorning an aging right-back — who no longer seems trusted in that role — into another just to fit him in. He’s only playing now because we’re short on centre-backs and there might be a place for him as backup in that position.
What utter drivel
 
I think both Tav and the club will wait to see how this season goes for him. Older players often only get an extension at the end of the season. See Greegsy who signed his last extension on the 22nd of June, just before the start of the new season.
It’s a different situation for a goalkeeper, but in Tavernier’s case, he’s clearly entering the latter stage of his career. There’s been no mention of a contract extension, which suggests the club doesn’t see him as part of the long-term plan. While his past contributions aren’t in question, his recent performances haven’t been strong enough to justify a new deal, and I don’t think there’s much argument about that. So it’s difficult to understand how a player who’s not seen as having a long-term future at the club is still being regarded as an important part of next season. His future here is clearly limited, and going into a final year without a contract on the table is a tough position for any player.
 
He was one of the positives from today for me, he had a shaky season last season, but he will be an important player for us at centre back and right back this season
 
Some still see Tavernier playing a big part next season, but there’s little talk of a contract extension, despite him entering his final year. If we quietly accept he’s winding down, it’s only because his recent performances are showing it.
I think there is a chance he will extend on reduced terms. He still contributes so much, is mega fit, available, talented, cover for umpteen positions and is a fantastic embasador for the club
 
Normal supporter - decent shift for a first run out, today was about getting some minutes into the players, the result was not the be all and end all

FF supporter - fucking disgrace, what have we been doing the last few weeks?

Normal supporter - well its been mainly fitness work, building endurance and trying to take on information

FF supporter - pah! what tactics was there, same old mistakes at the back and tippy tappy pish. We should be winning friendly or not

Normal supporter - there was lots of positives today though. Young guys did well and Tav was excellent when he came on

FF supporter - Tav? Big deal, It was only a friendly. The result wasn't important anyway
 
I think there is a chance he will extend on reduced terms. He still contributes so much, is mega fit, available, talented, cover for umpteen positions and is a fantastic embasador for the club
Yes, possibly. You do hear of other players—Souttar comes to mind—where, despite going into the final year of their contract, there’s already been talk about an extension. With Tavernier, though, you just don’t hear the same kind of noise. That in itself might say something about how the club views his future.
 
Yes, possibly. You do hear of other players—Souttar comes to mind—where, despite going into the final year of their contract, there’s already been talk about an extension. With Tavernier, though, you just don’t hear the same kind of noise. That in itself might say something about how the club views his future.
Or maybe talks have already begun behind the scenes and the club and tav are both relaxed enough to see how the season plays out. As it was with shagger or forrest at that mob.
 
I’ve never been his biggest fan. However, was at the game today - Copeland front - and it was clear the influence he had in the second half. Calmness. Strength. Leadership.
 
You can’t change everyone at once.

And common sense says you wouldn’t change out the guy who was your best centre half in Europe, and as a full back scored 5 and assisted 13 last season.

The personal agendas against Tav really highlight the posters who can’t control their emotions. Thinking with your head, he’s an incredible addition to the squad year on year, and it’s those who surround him that should be the focus of attention.
 
Worth pointing out as well the reception Tav got from the support yesterday. Once again showing that the online fans do not represent the match going support.

Personally think if Tav continues to perform well at centre half why shouldn’t he play there fairly regularly? He was pretty solid when playing there last season as well and I think it suits him a lot more than full back does now
 
I don't understand those who say "it's a friendly, means nothing".

I recall many saying the same with Beale's new team while others were screaming from the rooftops the glaring faults in the system.

These games are huge for improving match fitness and gelling a team with many new faces.

While Bajrami, Diomande and Tavernier came on and the performance improved, we are miles from where we need to be.

A lot of work to be done in the next couple of weeks before Pana. In the transfer market and on the training ground.
You know the rules.

Friendlies are acceptable for berating players and letting everyone know how poor a player is.
Don’t ever praise a player though, friendlies don’t matter.
 
Very noticeable the warmth Tav received when he takes corners.

He doesn’t get a great deal of stick from match going fans compared to social media bawbags.
Absolutely mate. I watched the game in a pub in salou yesterday and the guy behind me kept audibly saying he ‘hates tav’. Even suggesting he would be raging if tav scored. Turns out despite being decked out in the 9iar top etc the guy hadn’t been to a game in over 10 years despite living not far from Ibrox.
 
The issue with Tavernier isn’t so much on the field, although it became obvious last season he was regressing fast, when the goals and assists dry up and he continues to sell goals it’s more obvious, the issue with Tav is for the majority of fans he is the face of failure, he is the one that people point to , rightly or wrongly, as the one consistent in failure over multiple seasons with multiple managers, exasperated by being captain

One poor run of form, a couple of bad performances and results and the knifes will be out for him, a clean cut would be best, it should have been done after the Gio/Beale season. Sometimes teams struggle to move on because the past is still present.

We will fully appreciate him in a few years, or the vast majority will, so his legacy as a player is set.
 
Normal supporter - decent shift for a first run out, today was about getting some minutes into the players, the result was not the be all and end all

FF supporter - fucking disgrace, what have we been doing the last few weeks?

Normal supporter - well its been mainly fitness work, building endurance and trying to take on information

FF supporter - pah! what tactics was there, same old mistakes at the back and tippy tappy pish. We should be winning friendly or not

Normal supporter - there was lots of positives today though. Young guys did well and Tav was excellent when he came on

FF supporter - Tav? Big deal, It was only a friendly. The result wasn't important anyway
Yi canny argue wi that.
 
Normal supporter - decent shift for a first run out, today was about getting some minutes into the players, the result was not the be all and end all

FF supporter - fucking disgrace, what have we been doing the last few weeks?

Normal supporter - well its been mainly fitness work, building endurance and trying to take on information

FF supporter - pah! what tactics was there, same old mistakes at the back and tippy tappy pish. We should be winning friendly or not

Normal supporter - there was lots of positives today though. Young guys did well and Tav was excellent when he came on

FF supporter - Tav? Big deal, It was only a friendly. The result wasn't important anyway
Pardon the ignorance, what is the difference between an FF supporter and a normal supporter ? Can't you be a Normal FF supporter?
 
Pardon the ignorance, what is the difference between an FF supporter and a normal supporter ? Can't you be a Normal FF supporter?
It’s always the same with Tavernier threads. There’s a certain type of supporter who believes that if you think the team would benefit from Tavernier no longer having such a prominent role, then you’re somehow less of a fan than they are.
At the end of the day, we all want the same thing — a successful team. We just have different views on how to get there.
Were the fans who booed at half-time not also supporters of the club?
I don’t understand why some individuals can’t accept a different viewpoint on Tavernier without resorting to acting as if they’re somehow superior because of their opinion.
 
Pardon the ignorance, what is the difference between an FF supporter and a normal supporter ? Can't you be a Normal FF supporter?
Yes absolutely , it was more a generalisation of the loony comments on FF that contradict themselves depending on the player involved

If Tav plays well, it was only a friendly
Curtis plays well, what a talented kid
 
It’s always the same with Tavernier threads. There’s a certain type of supporter who believes that if you think the team would benefit from Tavernier no longer having such a prominent role, then you’re somehow less of a fan than they are.
At the end of the day, we all want the same thing — a successful team. We just have different views on how to get there.
Were the fans who booed at half-time not also supporters of the club?
I don’t understand why some individuals can’t accept a different viewpoint on Tavernier without resorting to acting as if they’re somehow superior because of their opinion.
Your stated that Tav was overlooked at RB not just for Aarons but by Hutton as well and that tavernier would only be a bit part player going fwd

Surely it was obvious that for yesterday's game Tav played centre half because of the lack of options

Your opinion was given as fact when in actual fact nobody knows anything at this stage
 
Your stated that Tav was overlooked at RB not just for Aarons but by Hutton as well and that tavernier would only be a bit part player going fwd

Surely it was obvious that for yesterday's game Tav played centre half because of the lack of options

Your opinion was given as fact when in actual fact nobody knows anything at this stage
I noticed that the manager chose to try two players in Tavernier's preferred position. So, it’s only natural to speculate—after all, that’s what debates are generally about—that this could hint at how he views that position going forward. It was his first game and just a friendly, so of course, any take is based on opinion rather than fact, drawn from that performance.
 
I noticed that the manager chose to try two players in Tavernier's preferred position. So, it’s only natural to speculate—after all, that’s what debates are generally about—that this could hint at how he views that position going forward. It was his first game and just a friendly, so of course, any take is based on opinion rather than fact, drawn from that performance.
Fair do's if it just an opinion, it didn't read that way though. You did say he wasn't trusted

Look some of us see what Tav brings and others don't so fair enough
 
Fair do's if it just an opinion, it didn't read that way though. You did say he wasn't trusted

Look some of us see what Tav brings and others don't so fair enough
Some see the player’s previous role as a detriment to the team, while others don’t. We won’t all agree on that—and that’s fine. What we can agree on is that we all want the team to succeed; we just see the path there differently. In the end, only one man’s opinion really counts. And whilst unqualified, I do have more confidence in this manager getting it right than any of the others before him.
 
It’s a different situation for a goalkeeper, but in Tavernier’s case, he’s clearly entering the latter stage of his career. There’s been no mention of a contract extension, which suggests the club doesn’t see him as part of the long-term plan. While his past contributions aren’t in question, his recent performances haven’t been strong enough to justify a new deal, and I don’t think there’s much argument about that. So it’s difficult to understand how a player who’s not seen as having a long-term future at the club is still being regarded as an important part of next season. His future here is clearly limited, and going into a final year without a contract on the table is a tough position for any player.
My view on a possible extension for Tav is perhaps a bit more simplistic.

I think he along with plenty of other squad members have a clean slate with the new manager. We're being asked to play a very different way to previously and Tav is likely to be asked to adapt to a more central position in that RCB role. As well as perhaps rotating with Aarons when needed. If he does the job that Martin wants him to do this season then why wouldn't he be offered an extension for a year or so?

Think the time to make a call on whether an extension is worthwhile will be much later in the season when we've seen a bit more of how a Russell Martin side fares this season and how integral Tav is to that.
 
My view on a possible extension for Tav is perhaps a bit more simplistic.

I think he along with plenty of other squad members have a clean slate with the new manager. We're being asked to play a very different way to previously and Tav is likely to be asked to adapt to a more central position in that RCB role. As well as perhaps rotating with Aarons when needed. If he does the job that Martin wants him to do this season then why wouldn't he be offered an extension for a year or so?

Think the time to make a call on whether an extension is worthwhile will be much later in the season when we've seen a bit more of how a Russell Martin side fares this season and how integral Tav is to that.
I definitely believe some players might surprise us next season. Barron being given the number 8 shirt and the captaincy could be a small early sign of a player the manager believes he can develop—and yes, Tavernier might be another.
It’s just opinion, of course, but I think our previous manager prioritised his preferred style of play above all else, often forcing players into roles that didn’t suit their strengths. In contrast, I get the sense that this manager will focus more on how to get the best out of each individual, building the fluidity into his system to adapt around that.
 
Even if we go onto sign 1 or 2 more very good CB's, and Aarons becomes the RB we hope he will, Tav will still have a huge part to play this season.
 
Sandy Jardine spent last few years of his career as an excellent CB (sweeper in my day). Same as Tav, had a reasonable turn of pace but also had the experience to read situations developing. Hope JT can do the same.

Sandy Jardine won the Scottish Football Writers Player of the Year at the age of 37 while playing for Hearts as a sweeper. His football intelligence shown through from his years in several positions.
Of course Sandy was a genuine WC full back in the early to mid 70's which is mind blowing as he started as a centre forward for Rangers in his youth. I was there when he scored four goals against Queens park in a Glasgow Cup tie in 68. He then moved to right mid before finding his calling as a RB.
Tav for all his fortes is not Sandy Jardine but he has looked comfortable in the CB role. It would be remiss of the management team to jettison a player who could do us a real turn in that position given it's an area of the park that has been an issue for us for some time.
 
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