Tav for the own goal

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He was skinned by Maeda a few times (becoming the norm) and lazily backs off him before sticking a leg out to try and block a cross. He’s culpable.

Aside from that, his passing today and all round ‘leadership’ were way below par.

The cup final has to be his last game against them. It’s time for a new era.
 
RH_2020 said:
The problem is that this fantastic record he has achieved only seems to be benefiting him personally as we’ve won 3 trophies in his time, someone else will take the pens, prob have a no worse conversion record and someone else can over hit / hit near post man with deliveries, or maybe he’ll put it in a dangerous area? I fear him chasing this record will prevent him from leaving as he won’t get pens of up the park much anywhere else while his shortcomings being forgiven.
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You think the record of scoring a shed load of goals only benefits him personally, and not the team he’s scored them for?

If each of the other 10 positions over the last 9 years were also record breakers, we’d have won more than 3 trophies. But that is so obvious, it shouldn’t need pointing out.
 
I've heard Cantwell described as a luxury player - a player who's great for what he gives you, if you've got the squad depth to sacrifice what he lacks in other areas. For me, Tav is now in the same category.

It's great that he picks up loads of goals. But that's a symptom of a deeper problem (a lack of goal scoring from midfield), and his defensive frailties are becoming too costly for the return.

If we were roaring all over the park and we lost the odd goal due to Tav but gained attacking capabilities and 10+ non-penalty goals a season, great.

But we're not. We need what he lacks. Not that he'll be easy to replace, because we're going to have to find his goal tally from somewhere else, and it ain't gonna be McAusland or Cantwell or Raskin, or Matondo, IMO.
 
Del Piero effectively ended Alec Cleland’s Rangers career. We see our current right back do more ineffective defending than that game after game, domestically.

We need to get our levels back to such that we can start winning leagues again and that starts with ending James Tavernier’s Rangers career. He shouldn’t play another game.
 
This isn't solely on Tav. As a team we were terrible at getting close enough to prevent the cross for the whole game. Our defensive ability wide on both sides from the whole team needs addressed big time before the final. We have a group who aren't defensively minded or disciplined enough to keep their shape, track movement off the ball and win their challenges. We are in the hoping and praying stage when it comes to the final. Rangers should have a captain in every position. Who other than Butland is captain material?
 
MrStruth said:
Let's hope not.
A serial loser. The least inspiring captain of Rangers in my lifetime.

Look at McGregor, in Collum's face all game. Not Tav.
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McGregor was up for the battle, getting in our players faces and laughing at them.

What I'd give to have a captain like Barry Ferguson again who demands standards and treats these games like a war.

Tav looks like a broken man playing against Celtic.
 
Himself and Lundstram need to go. Lundstram was never good enough, and at 32, the trajectory for Tav going forward points downwards. He's not going to improve at his age, and that's not a slight on him. It's just age , and everyone becomes over the hill at some point
 
Blue55 said:
He allowed a cross that he had to intercept but chose to sit off and let it get thrown into our box.
He has in my opinion ran his race and now needs to be replaced with someone who can defend first and foremost
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The easiest part of a full backs job is to block a cross. We rarely do it.
 
probably the best thing you can say about him yesterday is that he was completely uninspiring. Wasted two set pieces in promising positions then another wee hopeless chip over the top to nobody in first half.

He should have been busting his arse to put the ball in row z as soon as oddjob controlled that pass. instead he was jogging in no mans land.

now is the time to say thanks and move him on
 
Clay Davis said:
It was a nothing ball and we had enough people back to deal with it easily.

I get that we have to find a way to blame Tavernier but not at fault today. About the only time they got a cross in that side.
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That won’t go down well but it’s true.
Often the defender has to make sure it’s only the ball that gets past him and not player and ball so is prepared to accept a percentage ball into the box .
(By the way, we’ve not had a worse, or better, player than Sasa Papac at allowing a cross into the box.)
Lundstram had every option he’d want in that situation.
 
MancGer86 said:
Because Maeda has his number, he can't cope with the pace. Its a classic full back instinct to back off when he doesn't trust himself up against a guy that's so much quicker than him. Unfortunately he just leaves himself in no man's land and the winger has all the apace in the world to pick his cross. It's not really good enough. I'd rather he punted maeda into the crowd tbh. Tav never seems able to put one on maeda early to let him know he's in for a battle. Not his style.
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Correct up to this point.
Other than Maeda didn’t pick his cross.
If the player gets past him, with the ball, then he will pick his pass and we’d be well fecked.
 
andy5836 said:
McGregor was up for the battle, getting in our players faces and laughing at them.

What I'd give to have a captain like Barry Ferguson again who demands standards and treats these games like a war.

Tav looks like a broken man playing against Celtic.
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It’s those Easterhoose Teef that look a little out of place never knew it was in Turkey
 
tazzabear said:
Correct up to this point.
Other than Maeda didn’t pick his cross.
If the player gets past him, with the ball, then he will pick his pass and we’d be well fecked.
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The cross was pretty shit in all honestly and should have been easily dealt with. Point is he had the space to pick the cross. Fact he didn't is more about Maedas lack of ability but that's not the point here. Tav backing off against a winger who's pace he can't handle will invite better players with all the space they need to pick their crosses with minimal challenge.
Its why if Tav is to be kept around for any longer then surely it has to be worth playing about with him in a more advanced role with someone like Sterling in at rb. If Sterling is up against maeda he shuts him down every time and a big threat of theirs is nullified.
 
You simply have to stop the goal at source, if the ball doesn’t get in your box it’s not getting in your net.

There is a reason we concede so many OG’s we stand off players letting them get crosses in.

That was school boy defending by Tav, he is no where near his man lazily saunters over makes no great effort to tackle or stop the cross, for £40k a week he must do better.
 
GimmeShelter said:
He’s so good we should get at least £10m for him.

I mean with all those goals and assists teams will be banging down our door to sign him like they have been every season.
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A guy scores the most goals for a defender from the UK ever - and the instinct is to criticise him for not attracting top bids?

This place is insane.
 
Growler said:
You think the record of scoring a shed load of goals only benefits him personally, and not the team he’s scored them for?

If each of the other 10 positions over the last 9 years were also record breakers, we’d have won more than 3 trophies. But that is so obvious, it shouldn’t need pointing out.
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There is no captain in our history with a worse rate of success. He can’t handle the pressure, can’t defend and costs us more than he contributes. In any other club in the world he’d have been shown the door but so many of our fans have this blind loyalty to him. And then they wonder why we’ve only won 3 trophies in a decade when one particular “captain” has seen off more than half a dozen managers in that time!
 
JRei23 said:
Shoehorn ?
His 'defending' at the 2nd goal was appalling, and it's not the first time against the manks either
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Yep, there's an overall desire to make him culpable at almost every goal.

The cross comes in, yes it shouldn't have. Lundstrum side foots it into the corner....the latter being the real issue.
 
Javi said:
He constantly gave them the entire left wing in the second half. The Bond villain offside goal he was nowhere to be seen
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Well I'm glad he wasn't as he might have played him onside...

Didn't have the best of games though, same goes for just about the entire team.
 
Growler said:
A guy scores the most goals for a defender from the UK ever - and the instinct is to criticise him for not attracting top bids?

This place is insane.
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Top bids?

Have there been any for the super dooper top scoring uk defender in the history of football?
 
Barryhopez said:
Yep, there's an overall desire to make him culpable at almost every goal.

The cross comes in, yes it shouldn't have. Lundstrum side foots it into the corner....the latter being the real issue.
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The first point you make he is nonsense.

Cross comes in , previous to this the Japanese brings the ball down from a high diagonal, gets a few touches ,while Tav literally jogs over ,never gets goal side .
Then the ball comes in , a movie we've all saw a few times too many
 
Growler said:
Reckon we’re in a net gain or net loss?

Given he’s the top scoring British defender ever.
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A gain in stats, a loss in trophies.
Form fallen totally off a cliff at the end of a season when it's there to win, again. Costs us goals Vs the filth a lot. But takes free kicks and penalties well.

If we want someone to take those but offer little defensively or impact on the ball going forward, we could bring back Jorg Albertz.
 
GimmeShelter said:
Top bids?

Have there been any for the super dooper top scoring uk defender in the history of football?
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Who cares? Surely the POV is that we have a top goal scoring right back.

Some of our fans could win the lottery and then complain it was a larger amount the week before.

It must be so boring and soul destroying always looking for the negative in even the best situations.
 
HandsomeHead said:
Tav looks done. We’ve always known he’s poor defensively but what we got from him in an attacking sense - driving up the right side and zipping in crosses - tended to more than compensate.

He’s scored a lot of goals again this season, but I don’t feel he gives us anything like he used to offensively when he was more or less the driving force of the entire team.

And he also looks noticeably slower.

Recognising when a player is on the wane is a big part of club management, but it sounds like Clement is already planning for next season with Tav still at the forefront of it.
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If Clement is keeping him then he will lose his job like the rest.
 
ChildOfGoth said:
What if he was simply replaced as Captain ?
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Then he will still get skinned weekly by average wingers

He still won’t get by a man on the wing as his pace is not what it was

He will still get caught out high up and not be able to get back in time

Stripping him of captaincy will solve nothing it won’t magically give him the ability to defend

Has to go imo with a bit of luck Gerrard will offer him a final payday and he takes it
 
JRei23 said:
The first point you make he is nonsense.

Cross comes in , previous to this the Japanese brings the ball down from a high diagonal, gets a few touches ,while Tav literally jogs over ,never gets goal side .
Then the ball comes in , a movie we've all saw a few times too many
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:))it's not nonsense......
 
Growler said:
Who cares? Surely the POV is that we have a top goal scoring right back.

Some of our fans could win the lottery and then complain it was a larger amount the week before.

It must be so boring and soul destroying always looking for the negative in even the best situations.
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Wow a top scoring right back, how lucky we are.

Wouldn’t mind a right back who could defend.
 
ecossebear said:
There is no captain in our history with a worse rate of success. He can’t handle the pressure, can’t defend and costs us more than he contributes. In any other club in the world he’d have been shown the door but so many of our fans have this blind loyalty to him. And then they wonder why we’ve only won 3 trophies in a decade when one particular “captain” has seen off more than half a dozen managers in that time!
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Tavernier was sometime the captain in season 2017/18 as were quite a few others, but wasn't confirmed as club captain until the start of season 2018/19. Since then, we are about to complete his 6th season as club captain with 1 title, 1 Scottish Cup and 1 League Cup.

John Greig was often captain in 1965/66, but the club captain was the veteran Eric Caldow. Greig did skipper us to the 1966 Scottish Cup while the stand-in, before Caldow left for Stirling Albion and Greig officially appointed. But even if we include that 1966 win and make 1965/66 his first season as captain, Greig didn't lead us to any other major trophies until the ECWC in 1972. Our one and only other trophy was the 1970 League Cup and he didn't play in the final. That means that his first 6 seasons as captain were less successful than Tavernier's.

PS The current captain doesn't belong in the same sentence as the Greatest Ranger. Just trying to show that even having the finest captain imaginable doesn't win you trophies if the opposition have a better team.
 
GimmeShelter said:
It’s cost us silverware
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Pinpointing Tav for our lack of silverware given the dozens of dross he’s played with and is still playing with is insane to me. The guy has contributed literally more than anyone this past decade, so therefore deserves the least criticism.
 
barrheadbear said:
Yeah Tav can take some blame for not being quicker on closing down Maeda but ultimately Maeda's cross is poor, not one Celtic player anywhere near it, but still Lundstram inexplicably turns the ball into his own net from 8 yards out.

Not even up for debate, Lundstram 100% at fault for the goal.
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Not being quicker to close him down? He didn't even try to xhallenfe him from picking a long ball out of the air, getting it under control, sorting himself out and making the cross. he rolled away and watched it happen.
 
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