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GallowgateBlue

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I have no idea how anyone who knows anything about football can't see what is being done to us. From what is considered a foul. How many fouls are allowed before a booking is issued. What deems a red card, both for and against. Offsides, onsides and everything in between. I would love to see the hard stats on all of this and would be confident that they would show a massive disadvantage towards us.
 

Jorg the Hammer

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I have no idea how anyone who knows anything about football can't see what is being done to us. From what is considered a foul. How many fouls are allowed before a booking is issued. What deems a red card, both for and against. Offsides, onsides and everything in between. I would love to see the hard stats on all of this and would be confident that they would show a massive disadvantage towards us.
They are refereed differently in Scotland ,in Europe the discipline record is very similar to ours yet in Scotland they ar untouchable and if that gets missed they have the fall back of a colour blind compliance officer who can only see blue. They have three or four citations over the years and we have punished more than most . It’s an open goal the stats are there , yet we say f. all. I don’t know how to get the stats up or I would.
 

Brick_Top

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I don't think the officials are cheats, I do however think that they are of the mindset that it's easier to not give us decisions than to give us decisions. Last year there was people going off their heads from teams all over Scotland, spurred on by the East End Nonces because we were quite rightly awarded 4 penalties in a game against St Mirren. Three out of four of those penalties were 100% pens with the other one 70% imo but regardless of this you had people who hadn't even seen the game claim the ref gave us 4 soft penalties.

Then you had idiots like Chris Sutton, Stewart et all. stoking hatred after the 2-0 game at Ibrox against the scum, they had no issue with the ref performance straight after the game but 1-2 days later they are claiming it's the worst performance ever and refs are receiving death threats of unwashed lunatic man children.

The scum claim every other ref has/had a season ticket at Ibrox and the refs are terrified to give us anything due to this.
If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
Great post.
 

Three-in-seven

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I agree but just a thought go out and beat these teams regardless of referee
Championship winning teams don't batter the opposition by 3 or 4 goals every single week.
Sometimes they have to grind out a result, and will edge a game by the odd goal.
We can't do this because of the refereeing decisions that are going against us.
Therefore it is impossible for us to win the league, until this is rectified.
 

Bear all

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If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
The Kilmarnock player who dived is that not the same as diving at the other end to gain an advantage, what I am getting is shouldn't there be retrospective action taken against him.
 
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john307

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If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
The video that I have seen from behind the goal clearly shows that Beaton did not see what happened. His view was blocked by 2 players. He takes the easy way out and gives a foul. In other words he cheats.
 

Three-in-seven

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If they are consciously making wrong calls against us due to fear then it’s cheating mate.

We can dress it up whatever way we want but the fact is that it’s cheating.

Take Morelos goal last week as an isolated incident. There is absolutely no way Beaton seen Morelos commit any sort of foul. What he did see is a Killie player toss himself to the ground. That then created doubt in Beatons head. At that point he has a decision to make and we all know what the safest way is to call it if you want an easy ride of it and your life to continue as normal.

Why risk the death threats, smashed windows and back page headlines when you can just take the cowardly option and rule against us.

It may not be a grand conspiracy as such, but we are still being cheated due to the fear that manifests in Scottish officials.

Then there is the odd one like Clancy who is just a Rangers hating rat.
Or, in other words, Beaton has an out ball, a reason to disallow the goal.
If questioned, he can say he seen a defender fall to the ground, and his opinion is he must have been fouled?
We hear referees cannot give decisions for incidents they have not actually seen, but Beaton disallowed a goal as he believed there was a foul, despite not actually seeing it.
100% cheating.
 

Brick_Top

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Championship winning teams don't batter the opposition by 3 or 4 goals every single week.
Sometimes they have to grind out a result, and will edge a game by the odd goal.
We can't do this because of the refereeing decisions that are going against us.
Therefore it is impossible for us to win the league, until this is rectified.
I don’t know why a lot of our own supporters can’t grasp this.

The scrappy wins at difficult grounds is what wins you leagues. Beaton has denied us that right in two occassions now by costing us 5 points at Pittodrie and Rugby park.

We aren’t being allowed to compete and it’s not going to change until the club address it properly.
 

Three-in-seven

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I don’t know why a lot of our own supporters can’t grasp this.

The scrappy wins at difficult grounds is what wins you leagues. Beaton has denied us that right in two occassions now by costing us 5 points at Pittodrie and Rugby park.

We aren’t being allowed to compete and it’s not going to change until the club address it properly.
Another point worthy of mention regarding this.
Beaton apologises after the game at Pittodrie for not awarding us the penalty.
If he had awarded the penalty, T.V. evidence would have proven it was the correct decision.
No one could have any complaints.
However he never gave us the decision, his apology means jack shit, but cost us 2 points.
(if we had scored from the penalty)
 
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Brick_Top

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Another point worthy of mention regarding this.
Beaton apologises after the game at Pittodrie for not awarding us the penalty.
If he had awarded the penalty, T.V. evidence would have proven it was the correct decision.
No one could have any complaints.
However he never gave us the decision, his apology means jack shit, but cost us 2 points.
(if we had scored form the penalty)
The fact that he had the cheek to apologise for that decision and then rob us with even worse decisions the very next time he refereed us basically tells you how little him and his colleagues actually care about fûcking us over.

It’s so routine for them now because they get away with it.
 

Tomted

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I’m in my 50th year & its 100% the most prolonged & consistent period of games where we’ve been cheated in my life.

Another bear said the same to me. Forget his name but he’s been supporting us for 65 years.

It’s that bad.
I have been supporting Rangers since the early 1950’s and like others cannot ever recall such a pattern of bad decisions being given against us. However, another thing that has changed is the way that those in charge of refereeing at the SFA react when their referees mess up. A number of years back, a referee, called Jim Callaghan, chickened out of sending off John Hughes of Celtic, in an important old firm game at Parkhead. Callaghan was suspended from refereeing for 3/4 months. The silence from the current refereeing committee, is deafening, when it is evident that some of their referees are incompetent, cheats or both.
 

Ranko

Active Member
Correct .

Are we playing shite ? Yes .

Are officials costing us points AGAIN at the crucial point of the season just like last year ? Yes .

Were we robbed of the league cup ? Yes .

How much longer are the club going to sit back and accept it ?
I still reckon the decision against Alfie at Sheep Hut was the worst we’ve suffered in the league.
I know we would still have to score the penalty but still can’t believe he gave it outside the box.
 

HenningBerg

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I still reckon the decision against Alfie at Sheep Hut was the worst we’ve suffered in the league.
I know we would still have to score the penalty but still can’t believe he gave it outside the box.
It also cost us momentum and putting pressure on yahoo , it all adds up .

I’ve said it many times if this was Italy there would be a massive investigation and all sorts just now because they know through their own problems how crucial a referee is and how they can massively influence competitions with the smallest of bias and or corruption
 

Grigo Yossarian

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I have been supporting Rangers since the early 1950’s and like others cannot ever recall such a pattern of bad decisions being given against us. However, another thing that has changed is the way that those in charge of refereeing at the SFA react when their referees mess up. A number of years back, a referee, called Jim Callaghan, chickened out of sending off John Hughes of Celtic, in an important old firm game at Parkhead. Callaghan was suspended from refereeing for 3/4 months. The silence from the current refereeing committee, is deafening, when it is evident that some of their referees are incompetent, cheats or both.
I remember my dad talking about Callaghan Tomted, but obviously have no clue about any detail.

If Clancy doesn’t get a ban for that last performance then, as you suggest, the games a bogey:mad:
 

Jonathan E

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I don’t know why a lot of our own supporters can’t grasp this.

The scrappy wins at difficult grounds is what wins you leagues. Beaton has denied us that right in two occassions now by costing us 5 points at Pittodrie and Rugby park.

We aren’t being allowed to compete and it’s not going to change until the club address it properly.
I agree with you, but It's the 'address it properly' that poses the problem.

How to address it? The bleating Tarrier statements and managers blaming refs isn't what intimidates officials. It's the scum who throw coins, break windows, hire private detectives, publish home addresses, schools their kids go to and photos of them socialising, that's what has resulted in the bias in marginal decisions.

Are we going to do that? No.

We might challenge the SFA who have failed to protect their employees and have tolerated the game being 'brought into disrepute' by successive Celtic managers and officials, but the SFA is full of place-men who share the Tarrier view of Scottish Football and it's history.

For the time being we are f*cked and handicapped.
 

Texas ranger

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Championship winning teams don't batter the opposition by 3 or 4 goals every single week.
Sometimes they have to grind out a result, and will edge a game by the odd goal.
We can't do this because of the refereeing decisions that are going against us.
Therefore it is impossible for us to win the league, until this is rectified.
The team running away with the EPL have won 12 of their 25 games by the odd goal.
 

sammysun

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I have been supporting Rangers since the early 1950’s and like others cannot ever recall such a pattern of bad decisions being given against us. However, another thing that has changed is the way that those in charge of refereeing at the SFA react when their referees mess up. A number of years back, a referee, called Jim Callaghan, chickened out of sending off John Hughes of Celtic, in an important old firm game at Parkhead. Callaghan was suspended from refereeing for 3/4 months. The silence from the current refereeing committee, is deafening, when it is evident that some of their referees are incompetent, cheats or both.
I was at that game also, mid-week if I remember correctly?
 

Timardim

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Exactly bud nail on head.

Also Cheated out a penalty at Aberdeen plus a Red Card for Cosgrove in the first half an hour for any one of 5 assaults.

Cheated at Home to Aberdeen when Dallas failed to send off 2 Aberdeen players.

So basically we should be 3 points behind with a Game in hand.

End of discussion its blatant cheating and corruption.
Don't forget the games against hivs and Kilmarnock when our players got half nelsoned in headlocks and thrown to the ground without a yellow , just imagine the outcome if the roles reversed
 

norm1890

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I used to think incompetence. And said it here. I was wrong and openly admit it. It is brazen now. At best I’m “giving them f all” and at worst simple cheating.
 

Coplandfrontier

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I’m fed up listening to the referees are just rubbish! The poor decisions that have already cost us a cup and have now seriously dented our title hopes! We are dropping points in tight matches, hand balls in box , goals not been given, why is it constantly at Rangers matches that poor decisions are costing us points ? Why do Celtic not suffer from the same useless referees , why do they seem to benefit from poor referees? It’s now just a complete farce we are being referred differently. I said before the last game against them that they will get a penalty and probably a rangers player sent off. It’s so predictable that it’s blatant cheating.
 

The Blue Iceberg

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I agree with you, but It's the 'address it properly' that poses the problem.

How to address it? The bleating Tarrier statements and managers blaming refs isn't what intimidates officials. It's the scum who throw coins, break windows, hire private detectives, publish home addresses, schools their kids go to and photos of them socialising, that's what has resulted in the bias in marginal decisions.

Are we going to do that? No.

We might challenge the SFA who have failed to protect their employees and have tolerated the game being 'brought into disrepute' by successive Celtic managers and officials, but the SFA is full of place-men who share the Tarrier view of Scottish Football and it's history.

For the time being we are f*cked and handicapped.
The answer is simple, but not easy my friend, it will take a bit of hard work.

We need to employ someone to compile a long list of video evidence of "honest mistakes" and then continuously demand that we get foreign refs in for every game, as well as VAR.

Employ a proper professional PR company to continually attack every single decision every single day in every single media outlet available in print and online, both here and down south, then lobby UEFA hard enough on a daily basis to allow us to join either the English leagues or even an Atlantic League.

If we apply enough pressure there will be changes. We need to go to war with these cùnts and take no prisoners!
 

Tim Hunter

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I get that we should be good enough to beat most teams comfortably, and on our day we often do. However, we should need to win 'despite' the referee.
That is nonsense, 2 incorrect decisions against us and one for the opposition in any game is almost impossible to overcome. Especia)y when the opposite applies elsewhere.
 

Coop

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I also thought the 2 of them spoke well, didn’t jump in and go ott but got their point across that these decisions are costing us points. Non surprisingly, Hugh started banging on that we should be worrying about our lack of form rather than refereeing performances.

Ps. Did anyone else pick up on Alex Rae’s little dig on Taylor’s gesture yesterday?
Hugh keevins is an auld peado harbouring scum %^*&.
Go and look at his defence of peado prodigy tam burns.
The good catholic boy tam...he’s that good a catholic the he stuck up for cairney.
Why would anyone stick up for a peado?
I’ll tell you why,because they become brainwashed with what there church tells them.
The peado club of choice.
 

Coop

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Wee Keevans was doing his best to change the subject to our poor form
Auld hughgo is a media whore.
Lawwell has hughgo rapped around his wee pecker and auld bigot heid can’t let go.
Ask hughgo about football and he will be stumped.
Hughgo is the original west cost bigot.
 

Coop

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Wee Keevans was doing his best to change the subject to our poor form
Auld hughgo is a media whore.
Lawwell has hughgo rapped around his wee pecker and auld bigot heid can’t let go.
Ask hughgo about football and he will be stumped.
Hughgo is the original west cost bigot.
 

Coop

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Wee Keevans was doing his best to change the subject to our poor form
Auld hughgo is a media whore.
Lawwell has hughgo rapped around his wee pecker and auld bigot heid can’t let go.
Ask hughgo about football and he will be stumped.
Hughgo is the original west cost bigot.alrx
They were talking about Thursday night when someone said about Taylor playing. Rae said “looks like he’s injured after his gesture to say his game was up”. It was a clear dig at the cut throat gesture IMO
Alex Rae isn’t strong enough to put his point across.
Most of the time he agrees with that bigot keevins.
 

Coop

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Exactly bud nail on head.

Also Cheated out a penalty at Aberdeen plus a Red Card for Cosgrove in the first half an hour for any one of 5 assaults.

Cheated at Home to Aberdeen when Dallas failed to send off 2 Aberdeen players.

So basically we should be 3 points behind with a Game in hand.

End of discussion its blatant cheating and corruption.
Cheated in the most blatant fashion in the cup final.
 

J J Burnel

Member
Very well said from both of you. The second caller was excellent in getting across the corruption we have faced with officials in the last 2-3 months.

It’s well overdue that our club and supporters start going to town on the corrupt cheating officials who are costing us on an almost weekly basis.

Unsurprisingly, the panel were basically of the opinion that all teams are equally subject to bad decisions but deep down they know the truth.

If we want to win anything in the next few years, our club and support must begin to ramp up the pressure on the cheats who are robbing us.
In almost 50 years of following Rangers I've never blamed the referee for costing us a game. This season has now changed my view.

There are many examples but Beaton alone at Pittodrie and Rugby Park has cost us 5 points this season.
 

Coop

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Means nothing if it is only the fans raising it the club need to be bolder and braver in confronting these clowns out.
Gerrard done it all wrong.
After the scum game he should have been out on camera and put his points across,firmly and assertively.
We’ve let this cheating go to far.
I was disappointed after the scum game that he didn’t make more noise.
Rangers football are being cheated and our club are letting it happen.
 

tazzabear

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Yes, agree that we should call out the refs. But we need to box clever when doing so.

That’s one aspect. The other is for it to be drilled into the players - in a sensible fashion - that we will get no help from the officials (quite the opposite in many cases). So the squad needs to be alive to that and be absolutely merciless in its approach to every single game.

At the moment we are not doing the latter. For example, the Morelos dive at the piggery is beyond stupid because he’s on a yellow and must surely understand that Clancy is desperate to show him another. That happens and it has a big knock on effect on the season.

Also, question whether you need a player who can influence the referee and put him under pressure. I’m a very big fan of Tavernier. He’s a good captain but seems too nice for that sort of approach. It’s just not his style. So who else can step up and take that role? Ideally a centre mid who will be close to most of the action points.
Not sure we can get to win this particular battle this way, regardless of who does the challenging.
Look what happened when Goldson pointed out to the referee how many fouls Cosgrove had committed.
 
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