The huge change in football finances

cloodie

cloodie

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I was doing a bit of digging around after reading Suck's thread about season ticket prices and came accross and old article about the richest teams in world football, it's from season 1996/97 and Rangers were the 14th richest club in the world!

Our income was £31.44m, which put us above Spurs and Arsenal. Although we were, as expected, behind teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid their income was still less than double ours. It was only Man Utd who had a fair bit more.

Worth is in £000s, after the 1996-97 season.
  1. Manchester United - England - 87,939
  2. Barcelona - Spain - 58,862
  3. Real Madrid - Spain - 55,659
  4. Juventus - Italy - 53,223
  5. Bayern Munich - Germany - 51, 619
  6. Milan - Italy - 47,480
  7. Borussia Dortmund - Germany - 42,199
  8. Newcastle United - England - 41,134
  9. Liverpool - England - 39,153
  10. Internazionale - Italy - 39,071
  11. Flamengo - Brazil - 37,422
  12. Atletico Madrid - Spain - 32,382
  13. Paris St Germain - France - 31,967
  14. Rangers - Scotland - 31,644
  15. Roma - Italy - 28,215
  16. Tottenham Hotspur - England - 27,874
  17. Ajax - Netherlands - 27,804
  18. Parma - Italy - 27,756
  19. Lazio - Italy - 27,332
  20. Arsenal - England - 27,158


Below is the figure for season ending 2017 so exactly 20 years later

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Our revenue for season ending 2017 was £29,232m (fwiw I expect us to be over £40m for the season that has just ended)

So we've gone from teams having, at the very most, less than double our revenue (with the exception of Man U) to teams now having over 20 times as much. It's obscene and rather disheartening.
 
Good OP @cloodie

Unfortunately we’ve been left behind by the big leagues and unless we join a big league then the only thing that will change will be that we continue to stagnate in Scotland.

We need to leave Scotland or at least find a better way to generate money.

They called this years play off final in England the £170m game with the victor guaranteed that amount.

At current turnover, we would need to trade for 6 seasons to get that sort of money.
 
Its clear that radical change is needed but the corrupt UEFA and FIFA for that matter are all in the pockets of the sponsors, and change won't be coming. The name of the Champions League, for instance, is just a joke, tbh.
 
I think eventually the top 5 nations are going to splinter off to their closed shop competition and leave everyone else to their own devices.

Unless there is radical change in the European landscape then it's not going to get any better for the smaller nations like us.
 
muttley said:
Its clear that radical change is needed but the corrupt UEFA and FIFA for that matter are all in the pockets of the sponsors, and change won't be coming. The name of the Champions League, for instance, is just a joke, tbh.
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It is a bit of a joke when a side like Ajax, domestic champions and a whisker away from the final have to qualify where the likes of man city and PSG who have done the square root of fuuck all in their recent European histories and precisely only the same as we have ourselves ever, waltz into pot 1 based purely on where they are from.
 
BL11 said:
Good OP @cloodie

Unfortunately we’ve been left behind by the big leagues and unless we join a big league then the only thing that will change will be that we continue to stagnate in Scotland.

We need to leave Scotland or at least find a better way to generate money.

They called this years play off final in England the £170m game with the victor guaranteed that amount.

At current turnover, we would need to trade for 6 seasons to get that sort of money.
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The only way to get anywhere near it is to get into the CL and get some sort of success there but even that wouldn't get us into the top 20 and ultimately it's a double edged sword. With finances in Scotland beind so poor if you manage to put a reasonable team together the wage bill goes up and then one season without CL football could see your income halving and the financial chaos that could bring. That's why even with all the money the yahoos have in the bank they flogged Dembele last season when they didn't qualify for the CL
 
albertz81 said:
I think eventually the top 5 nations are going to splinter off to their closed shop competition and leave everyone else to their own devices.

Unless there is radical change in the European landscape then it's not going to get any better for the smaller nations like us.
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In a sense they already have. You may get the occasional anomaly in the CL (Ajax this season) but it's basically a league for the big 5.
 
Sky and BT.

It's ruined and the worst is yet to come. The game we watch at Ibrox at the weekends will seem alien compared to what the "elite" teams are doing once the CL becomes in essence the closed shop that they hanker for.

Yes the rules and the pitches will be the same. But the game will be different. Like watching women's football when you're used to watching men's football.

I'm pushing 50 and doubt I'll ever see us in another European final. My uncle is pushing 70 and has seen us in 4 (5 if you count the SuperCup). The game has ran away from us and short of a massive funding crisis or salary / transfer cap its hard to see how we'll ever get back in amongst it. Depressing as %^*&.
 
Superrangers said:
It is a bit of a joke when a side like Ajax, domestic champions and a whisker away from the final have to qualify where the likes of man city and PSG who have done the square root of fuuck all in their recent European histories and precisely only the same as we have ourselves ever, waltz into pot 1 based purely on where they are from.
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Sadly, telly audiences in the bigger nations and their respective corporate advertisers / sponsors now rule the roost, and not football itself.
 
It's scary when you look at it laid out like that in black & white. If regional European leagues were ever to come about involving the big clubs from the smaller nations then it might help redress the balance. But of course that's been spoken about before & no one seems to have the will to push it on and try to take it to the next level. Good post OP!
 
Superrangers said:
It is a bit of a joke when a side like Ajax, domestic champions and a whisker away from the final have to qualify where the likes of man city and PSG who have done the square root of fuuck all in their recent European histories and precisely only the same as we have ourselves ever, waltz into pot 1 based purely on where they are from.
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Or an even bigger joke that Liverpool can qualify for the CL and win it having not even won a trophy to even get into it.
 
cloodie said:
£145.9m
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87,101 capacity stadium in one of the most populated countrys in the word where everycunt is fitba daft and this is their attendance average since 2003, why are they claiming to have the most fans in the world? football top sales? social media following?
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Superrangers said:
What would be Flamengo’s figure now? They claim to have the most fans in the world.
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87,101 capacity stadium in one of the most populated countrys in the word where everycunt is fitba daft and this is their attendance average since 2003, why are they claiming to have the most fans in the world? football top sales? social media following?
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1312 said:
87,101 capacity stadium in one of the most populated countrys in the word where everycunt is fitba daft and this is their attendance average since 2003, why are they claiming to have the most fans in the world? football top sales? social media following?
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canny delete this some how but was meant to reply to OP comment
 
The only way I can ever see it changing is if the big clubs from England, Spain, Italy etc break away and form their own league or we somehow find another league to play in
As for the champions league they should change the name to the money league because thats what its all about
 
1312 said:
aye why they saying it but? seems a bizarre thing to come out with unless theres at least some truth to it
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Google seems to show it's to do with a survey that was done where something like 30 million Brazilians claimed to support them. The survey didn't include Asian countries though so that could change things. There might be other reasons but that's what a quick glance at google brings up. Brazil does have a population of around 210 million so I suppose it's possible.
 
realistically whats our glass ceiling income wise without an increase in capacity? Even with a decent Euro cup run earning £15M at most our income would be around the £50M mark.
 
peasandgravy7 said:
realistically whats our glass ceiling income wise without an increase in capacity? Even with a decent Euro cup run earning £15M at most our income would be around the £50M mark.
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With CL football and a decent retail deal etc then we should be looking at around £90m or so.
 
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