The importance of Wednesday’s press conference:

BlueShmoo

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And look what team are now getting gift wrapped trophy after trophy due to corrupt officiating.

Who’s the mugs here?
We all know we have more dignity and class than them, as the players and manager have said, our time will come regardless of what we stand against. It should drive them on, getting caught up in it will distract us from the bigger picture. A picture we have won historically despite corrupt calls and genuine mistakes by officials
 

Virgil Hilts

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1. The tarriers bleat on about cadete
2. The tarriers bleat on about SFA corruption
3. The tarriers bleat on about article 12
4. The tarriers bleat on about referee's
5. The tarriers bleat on about everything apart from the paedo ring at their club

We say our piece without shitting on others and referee's to the point we get disrepute charges
If you think that the errors are honest mistakes that is your right. Not all Rangers supporters agree with you, in the same way that many Bears will disagree with my take on things.
 

Virgil Hilts

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We all know we have more dignity and class than them, as the players and manager have said, our time will come regardless of what we stand against. It should drive them on, getting caught up in it will distract us from the bigger picture. A picture we have won historically despite corrupt calls and genuine mistakes by officials
Your last sentence insinuates that we’ve been up against corruption fir years.
 

rossgers

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I think we have to start mentioning the shit refereeing every game and also the racist abuse Alfie is receiving in the press. This is no mistake. Its orchestrated and we need to get on top of it. It has cost us a trophy.
 

BlueShmoo

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Your last sentence insinuates that we’ve been up against corruption fir years.
I can name several instances, but I take it as the fight we are up against and deal with it. Getting put in the fourth tier down to sporting integrity was corrupt to the core. They thought they would cripple or kill us, they only made us stronger. Sometimes it's a mistake however. Like the 89 cup final throw in or Sunday.

Further to your next point, I don't mean to appear argumentative or provocative, just stating my point on the matter. As I say "No one likes us, we don't care" well I most certainly don't. When our time comes it will be in spite of all "wrong" calls. The players understand it, in 3 of the last 4 or 5 games, they have been on the end of poor/corrupt calls and I believe they get it now having missed out on a cup, we must do more or the best we can to make it irrelevant.
 

Virgil Hilts

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I can name several instances, but I take it as the fight we are up against and deal with it. Getting put in the fourth tier down to sporting integrity was corrupt to the core. They thought they would cripple or kill us, they only made us stronger. Sometimes it's a mistake however. Like the 89 cup final throw in or Sunday.

Further to your next point, I don't mean to appear argumentative or provocative, just stating my point on the matter. As I say "No one likes us, we don't care" well I most certainly don't. When our time comes it will be in spite of all "wrong" calls. The players understand it, in 3 of the last 4 or 5 games, they have been on the end of poor/corrupt calls and I believe they get it now having missed out on a cup, we must do more or the best we can to make it irrelevant.
I couldn’t care less if anyone likes us.

I do care that our club b is being regularly wronged, whilst our M D’s office never broach the topic in the public domain.

Match officials can fućk Rangers over without fear of criticism or censure, the club hierarchy’s perceived disinclination to address numerous scandalous instances of cheating is, in my opinion, now part of the problem.

I don’t think we’re going to agree so we’d be better knocking it on the head.

cheers
 

BlueShmoo

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I couldn’t care less if anyone likes us.

I do care that our club b is being regularly wronged, whilst our M D’s office never broach the topic in the public domain.

Match officials can fućk Rangers over without fear of criticism or censure, the club hierarchy’s perceived disinclination to address numerous scandalous instances of cheating is, in my opinion, now part of the problem.

I don’t think we’re going to agree so we’d be better knocking it on the head.

cheers
I understand your feelings and points, we have never been that kind of club however and I don't see us starting now. Take care, God bless
 

blue genes

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We need a sharp media/PR team who brief all interviewees before and after matches - that is not in doubt IMO, but our approach of “dignified silence/we move on” suggests nothing will be mentioned about Sunday’s scandalous affair.

Gerrard is a class act, but his response was to ask for “help” for officials it’s not help they need its an injection of courage.

I have despaired about this approach for years - just think back to every decision that hasn’t gone their way in recent years - the coverage & traction it generates goes on for days.

It’s designed to strike fear into referees & governing bodies to ensure that if there is a 50/50 decision in a game it goes their way 99% of the time.

It’s deliberate & it’s working for them - surely to goodness everyone can see that. We MUST fight fire with fire here.
 

Virgil Hilts

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We need a sharp media/PR team who brief all interviewees before and after matches - that is not in doubt IMO, but our approach of “dignified silence/we move on” suggests nothing will be mentioned about Sunday’s scandalous affair.

Gerrard is a class act, but his response was to ask for “help” for officials it’s not help they need its an injection of courage.

I have despaired about this approach for years - just think back to every decision that hasn’t gone their way in recent years - the coverage & traction it generates goes on for days.

It’s designed to strike fear into referees & governing bodies to ensure that if there is a 50/50 decision in a game it goes their way 99% of the time.

It’s deliberate & it’s working for them - surely to goodness everyone can see that. We MUST fight fire with fire here.
I posted yesterday, they’ve outspent Rangers by over 65% in the last 2 reporting periods. That aligned to match officials being afraid to make decisions that Celtic don’t like ( or worse), makes success finitely harder for Rangers.

Ten trophies in a fućking row

Pretty sure that Warburton was the last manager to beat them in a cup, an even p,aging field (re officiating) should be a given not a pipedream
 

Blueranger45

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I think the thing that annoyed me more on Sunday was it wasn't one of those decisions when it could be potentially wrong or right, three of their players were offside and now it's went under the carpet and came out as "hint of offside"

we generally don't get 2-3 penalties in a game unless we are expected to win it easily so that was never happening, genuine penalty calls but Gollum is never giving the others because he wants to keep his job and keep his family safe
 

Virgil Hilts

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I think the thing that annoyed me more on Sunday was it wasn't one of those decisions when it could be potentially wrong or right, three of their players were offside and now it's went under the carpet and came out as "hint of offside"

we generally don't get 2-3 penalties in a game unless we are expected to win it easily so that was never happening, genuine penalty calls but Gollum is never giving the others because he wants to keep his job and keep his family safe
We should also have had a retake, an additional penalty, and a Tims 2nd red.
 

RangersForever

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What will that achieve ? Nothing.

The difference is, in the game at Ibrox where we beat them. Fairly by the way. They have people in the right places in the media, Sutton , walker etc who can create a narrative and it snowballs which ended up with beating getting threats etc.

I think having a gripe on presser before the YB game won’t do much.
Agree. Save it for before the game on 29th.
 

Govanx

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This is our fantasy isn’t it? That SG comes out like Jim Carey in “liar liar”.
”You’re a douchebag, he’s a loser, she’s a slut etc etc” in reality it won’t happen because for some bizarre reason the club still thinks the old stiff upper lip chaps works with these fenian bastard-s whereas the truth is they have no problem with putting pressure on officials and we apparently do and would much rather work behind the scenes. Which just plays into scumhands.
 

wee bud's pit boots

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We should be pushing for VAR not blaming refs.

**Eagerly awaits the “var will screw us even more” replies. No it won’t. Take off your foil hats.
Here we go again.

What if the people in charge of VAR, and they will come from the Scottish refereeing/officiating fraternity no doubt, looked at the yahoo free kick the same way the linesman did?
 

MightyGersLand!

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I take your point on board, but they only get away with cheating just now because of “human error”/“error of judgement”.

You take that away with VAR. Anyone who thinks it will be just as bad with VAR is off their head. Maybe some poor decisions, but we would have a trophy on Sunday if we had var.
The BT ref disagrees with you.
 

derbybear

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Yes let's forget about it and keep our powder dry. These things even themselves out over a season. Besides celtic would roll over as well in the same circumstances. Keep up the dignified silence Rangers we are reaping the rewards.
what rewards? Every and not even marginal decision is going against us and has done even more so in the last 3 years.

What powder are you keeping dry? And what for?

We are suffering because we and our like minded media (sic) fail to highlight the mistakes being made time and time again.
 

Rudolph Hucker

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It won’t happen, and unless it is part of a long-term strategy it would achieve nothing.

We need to create a narrative, such as “honest mistakes”. Then, after every match where an “honest mistake” cost us and before the next, simply point out the aforesaid “honest mistake”, saying it was a shame the officials got it wrong and hoping it won’t happen again. Before long you’ll have a long list of documented “honest mistakes” which can then be used to ask whether we are the victims of more “honest mistakes” than anyone else and to then ask why that would be, adding that we hope and believe that it isn’t anything sinister but can equally understand why the support and neutral observers might think differently. The club need to be clever to minimise the media fallout(they’ll claim it’s sour grapes) and to avoid any action from the SFA.

Those cheating bastards at the Saviledome have been doing it for years and are now reaping the rewards of their cheating - we need to fight back. However, I’m not holding my breath.
 

Bigbluebear

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VAR in Scotland will be officiated solely with hand picked cheats. It’s farcical enough down in England , god help us should it ever see the light of day up here.
The offside evidence is available to the TV companies. No way can they "cheat" on decisions like that or the penalty v Aberdeen.

Stuff that's open to interpretation like the first Morelos penalty incident on sunday then everybody cam have a different opinion on it, but not things that are absolutes.
 

HenningBerg

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It is genuinely beyond me why some our fans don't want VAR in Scottish football. We'd benefit from it most. There would be nowhere for them to hide. Ask yourself why Timmy isn't squealing for it.
Indeed . Apparently the yahoo were the only ones at the meeting who intimated they didn’t want it . No wonder - they love it just as it is thank you very much .
 

JohnBrownsboot

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Our boss and a selected player have the opportunity to nail the 3 corrupt match officials who played a significant role in costing us our first piece of silverware for what seems like an eternity.

In my opinion our media team should be working on appropriate talking points for SG & co to raise on Wednesday.

For me the perfect response would be:

In the last few seasons, match officials have -

forced Rangers to finish numerous matches with 10 men, decisions that SFA appeals panels have found wanting, subsequently seeing the red cards rescinded.

We saw all 3 match officials miss clear and obvious infringements that gifted the cup to our opponents n a manner which I have never heard of never mind witnessed in over 20 years of football. Our opponents had 1 shot on target - which they scored from - where 3 of their players were standing in an offside position directly in line with the assistant referee.

Maybe match officials who don’t love ve and work in Scotland have less pressure from other clubs and their fans, I hope that it is nothing more sinister than that.

Theoretically the fight referees could have given a points decision to Andy Ruiz jr on Saturday night, that’s how my staff and our players feel re Sunday, our opponents could not win that cup final without outside assistance.

Address the elephant in the room at the soonest possible juncture so that the element f our support that think the game is bent can at least see that we are paying lip service to the problem.
The ref did not cheat. His linesmen let him down for the two most important decisions.

This is simply very poor match officials who don’t get enough high pressure games to hone their skills.

Us being relegated added to the lack of preparation the officials get in Scotland.

Throwing a strop in a press conference about a game that has passed would be utterly pointless.

It would look like very sour grapes. It would also remove focus from a very important game on Thursday.
 

GazzaG

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what rewards? Every and not even marginal decision is going against us and has done even more so in the last 3 years.

What powder are you keeping dry? And what for?

We are suffering because we and our like minded media (sic) fail to highlight the mistakes being made time and time again.
I can't believe you didn't get the obvious sarcasm in that post
 

Walters80

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Your last sentence insinuates that we’ve been up against corruption fir years.
In many of ways we have.

- Favourable land deals for them.
- The Celtic football and athletic club using it's charitable status to pay a lower tax rate.
- Public money being used to boost their infrastructure and stadium upgrades.
- The SFA making a nomination on their behalf to get them a European spot when they didn't qualify.
- The Whites and Kelly's sneaking money out of the country in bags to avoid paying tax.
- Not paying players in the 90s without any consequence.
- Hiding money from the inland revenue in biscuit tins.

And that's just the stuff we know about.
 

Virgil Hilts

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This is our fantasy isn’t it? That SG comes out like Jim Carey in “liar liar”.
”You’re a douchebag, he’s a loser, she’s a slut etc etc” in reality it won’t happen because for some bizarre reason the club still thinks the old stiff upper lip chaps works with these fenian bastard-s whereas the truth is they have no problem with putting pressure on officials and we apparently do and would much rather work behind the scenes. Which just plays into scumhands.
It isn’t a fantasy, it should be a reasonable expectation.

And it’s years overdue.

Maybe Robertson would do something if there was a silverware clause in his contract.

He was the Killie game where Jack got a yellow changed to a red (for being assaulted by Broadfoot and did virtually nothing about it.

We will never fully recover for as long as we cede ground to Celtíc and their placement.
 

Crispy Bacon

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Here we go again.

What if the people in charge of VAR, and they will come from the Scottish refereeing/officiating fraternity no doubt, looked at the yahoo free kick the same way the linesman did?
The linesman had the benefit of human error. He won’t when he has a Tv screen infront of him.

we won’t be cheated with VAR

feckin wise up the lot of you.
 

Virgil Hilts

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The linesman had the benefit of human error. He won’t when he has a Tv screen infront of him.

we won’t be cheated with VAR

feckin wise up the lot of you.
I genuinely can’t fathom how he could even have thought that could see a blue jersey through the field of green and white.

Same goes for Collum and Mulvaney; at the penalty, failing to notice Forster exploding off the line like Alan Wells
 

Crispy Bacon

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I genuinely can’t fathom how he could even have thought that could see a blue jersey through the field of green and white.

Same goes for Collum and Mulvaney; at the penalty, failing to notice Forster exploding off the line like Alan Wells
I’m not saying he did see anything. I’m saying he can do whatever he wants under the cloak of human error.

They can’t when there is 6 different angles at whatever speed they desire. Anyone who says these decisions will still go against after var is at it.

Get it in and get it in asap
 

Govanx

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It isn’t a fantasy, it should be a reasonable expectation.

And it’s years overdue.

Maybe Robertson would do something if there was a silverware clause in his contract.

He was the Killie game where Jack got a yellow changed to a red (for being assaulted by Broadfoot and did virtually nothing about it.

We will never fully recover for as long as we cede ground to Celtíc and their placement.
It’s a fantasy to me, and others, because the club have had umpteen open goals to do something about the bias and chosen to do nothing, therefore it becomes “fantasy”. We imagine Robertson an illusion. I’m shouting from the same hymn book as you. They won’t do shit except “have a few words behind closed doors” where they will get laughed at.
 

Virgil Hilts

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It’s a fantasy to me, and others, because the club have had umpteen open goals to do something about the bias and chosen to do nothing, therefore it becomes “fantasy”. We imagine Robertson an illusion. I’m shouting from the same hymn book as you. They won’t do shit except “have a few words behind closed doors” where they will get laughed at.
That genuinely saddens me, we’ve always appeared to be confrontation averse (in my time following Rangers) Souness dugout ban aside.

I will always pay to go and see Rangers, but Mcalelkand, Bain, Robertson et al’s intransigence to to matters like this breaks my fućking heart.

We’ve learned nothing from 2012 and the hideous 5 way Agreement that ensued.
 

MightyGersLand!

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Some are, some aren't. We don't care, do we?
Yes, we should. Fact is, if game plays out the same way in opposite jerseys I firmly believe the goal is ruled out for offside and they get at least 2 and possibly 3 spot kicks.

Cup goes the same way. And it's down to the officials instead of the players.

Surely we can't just shrug that off forever?
 
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