The money weve spent

contiva

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Kent has been very poor for the outlay. The fact that Gerrard chased him so hard really brings his judgement into question.
Doesnt help that he is being played out of position and being told to cover the entire opponents half. 6 times out of 10 he looks for an out ball to find 2/3 players around him and nobody stepping in to help him. even worse when Borna isnt playing.
 
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contiva

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He was young player of the year and majority of our support practically begged for him to come back ffs.

If that wasn't an indication of his pedigree for want if a word up here then I'm not sure what is.

The lad is young and not played a lot of top level football until he came to us - he was good and we spent thinking we'd have that same player.

Possibly the price tag amongst other things is affecting him but to say SG was ill informed to 'chase' him us ridiculous
Yeap - I'm sure a lot on this forum was going mental for us to buy him whatever the price :)
 

Barisic's Bandage

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The ‘joke’ was that we paid it.

Personally I wouldn’t have gone above £4m for him. I said so at the time.

For a club in our position to shell out £7m on a player, we needed him to be a genuine matchwinner for us. We essentially needed him to be our star player, one who would make the difference in games like last night or against Aberdeen.

I never felt Kent was that player even last season.

For £7m we could have found a better player with better stats to slot straight in.

Which isn’t to say I don’t rate Kent, I do, and feel he just needs to have more confidence in himself, but the pricetag always threatened to weigh too heavily on his shoulders.

I really hope he can live up to it.
He's having a better season than last year. Nearly everybody was happy when we signed him permanently, he's out of form.
 

Edbur

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Don’t you think these players have improved immense during Gerrard’s time?
Was Morelos worth eight figures?
Who signed Katic and Barisic?
One wee footnote:

It’s not the best way to look at it anyway.
You’ll remember that three of Souness’s best players were inherited.
Durrant, McCoist and Cooper.
Advocacy’s mainstays included Amoruso, Porrini and Ferguson.
Smith kept Papac, Ferguson and Boyd amongst others.
 

Walters80

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Far too many substandard players have been signed over the last 18 months, rather than signing 35 or so players it would have better to go with around 15 better quality signings with youth making up any potential gaps in the squad.

Every manager makes bad signings from time to time but you can't make about a dozen or so of these types in under two seasons.
 

Billiericky

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We haven't really spent a lot of money for a club playing in Europe in late February.

We've spent a lot compared to the likes of Kilmarnock, Hearts and Aberdeen.
None of these teams can be proud of their European records, but by furk they like to put one over the Rangers.

Some perspective required here.
 

supersonic

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What a waste of money we have spent on players to many not good enough for our club and the wages there getting shocking half them don't even give a f?? K

Titles over
If you want the definition of waste of money, look back at Pedro's signings pal.
 

Bigbluebear

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Under Gerrard we have signed

18/19

Goldson - Hit
Barisic - Hit
Katic - Hit
Kamara - Hit
Grezda - Miss
Lafferty - Miss
McGregor - Hit
Arfield - Hit
Flanagan - so so
Polster - so so
Davis - Hit
Defoe - Hit
Ejaria - Miss
Kent - Hit
Macauley - so so
Worrall - Hit
Sadiq - Miss
Coulibaly - so so

19/20

Jones - undecided
Stewart - undecided
Hastie - undecided
Barker - miss
Hagi - undecided
Kamberi - undecided
Helander - Hit
Ojo - so so - closer to miss
Aribo - Hit
Edmundson - appears to he a hit
King - miss

Don't think I have missed anybody there. Pretty much everybody brought in to be a first team player has been a good signing. So far it's the squad additions that have been lacking.

Notably we still havent spent any serious money on midfield. That, and a replacement for Morelos, has to be the focus going forward.

We have spent millions on previous teams and got some shocking results (worse than anything this season). It's no time to panic.
 

prower

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Honestly we’ve had some decent value from a lot of our signings imo. Got to bear in mind that their wage bill is still about £25 million higher than ours
 

Portals_Bear_Blue

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Kent has been very poor for the outlay. The fact that Gerrard chased him so hard really brings his judgement into question.
We all did. We were all desperate for him to sign and now when you really think about it we’ve got to wonder why?

simply based on his performances and “hate” he has for Celtic when he plays
 

Earl of Leven

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What a waste of money we have spent on players to many not good enough for our club and the wages there getting shocking half them don't even give a f?? K

Titles over
Best players this season:

McGregor - already here
Davis - already here
Alfie - already here
Jack - already here
Barisic - bought by manager
Tav - already here

Fairly grim actually when you look at it.
 

Dennistounbear45

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We have decent players, some may be struggling for form at the moment but I think its our inability to change our approach when its not working.

We have to change Shape/ formation/ tactics/ personnel quicker when things aren't going right.

Its getting a little bit Warburtonesque now.
 

RowdyYates

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We've a lot of "project" players if you like. Katic, Kent, Aribo, Hagi who are only starting there careers and at this time aren't consistent enough. We've not got the money to get ready made guys in. Gerrard obviously decided to get numbers in rather than concentrating on getting 2-3 certain starters.
 

Worthy_Candidate

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There is a lot of talent in this squad. You don’t beat Porto over two legs with dross. You don’t go to the Scumhut and pass the league champions off the park with dross.

SG has bought a lot of very good footballers. They have the ability but not the mentality.

Fortunately you can teach the second, not the first.

This is hard right now but we can use this period as a marker for the future. We are about to find out who really wants to be here and will be stronger moving forward as a result.
 

El-Gringo

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Not sure why Kent gets judged by his transfer fee. We didnt write a cheque for £7m, the deal will be structured in a way that suits our budget. He's been out of sorts recently i think due to to trying to do everything himself, getting surrounded by the opposition and getting instructed to play too centrally. All in my humble opinion of course.
 

Trueblueal

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Best players this season:

McGregor - already here
Davis - already here
Alfie - already here
Jack - already here
Barisic - bought by manager
Tav - already here

Fairly grim actually when you look at it.
Not really, the manager is in charge of developing all the players in the squad and of those above Davis, Jack, Morelos and Barisic are all better this season than last. We should be at a point when we sign fewer but better quality players. Hagi hopefully fits that mould.

Let's see how the season pans out and then we will have a chance to improve again in the summer.

We are getting better. So are they unfortunately. We have made mistakes buy also been fuked over by some horrendous decisions.
 

Bigbluebear

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We have more points at this stage of the season than our last 3 league wins by the way.

Celtic being rampant is the big issue. And why shouldn't they be when financially they are so far in front of everybody else?
 

Grant K

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Best players this season:

McGregor - already here
Davis - already here
Alfie - already here
Jack - already here
Barisic - bought by manager
Tav - already here

Fairly grim actually when you look at it.
I might be wrong but did the current manager / management team not sign McGregor and Davis. From your list that would give 50:50 and I would suggest that The three already here have improved as players, but that’s an opinion.
 

Worthy_Candidate

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Not sure why Kent gets judged by his transfer fee. We didnt write a cheque for £7m, the deal will be structured in a way that suits our budget. He's been out of sorts recently i think due to to trying to do everything himself, getting surrounded by the opposition and getting instructed to play too centrally. All in my humble opinion of course.
I agree. I would also add that I very much doubt we paid, or have agreed to pay, £7m for him.
 

MSF

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Best players this season:

McGregor - already here
Davis - already here
Alfie - already here
Jack - already here
Barisic - bought by manager
Tav - already here

Fairly grim actually when you look at it.
Shock horror, players who are at the club longer perform better.

Same thing happens around the world. Players don’t hit top form until the second season mostly,

Also Jack & Morelos have been improved tenfold by the coaching team.
 

strider

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Best players this season:

McGregor - already here
Davis - already here
Alfie - already here
Jack - already here
Barisic - bought by manager
Tav - already here

Fairly grim actually when you look at it.
Or a sign that it takes longer than people seem to want to give our players to get settled and consistent.
 

DC Anchor

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Gerrard was forced to do a re build on the cheap, buying in the bargain basement and hoping to unearth gems, future talents and throw in a few loan signings, was never going to work in the real world.
Kent aside-money not well spent imo, we have not spent big, but bought a whole number of similar type squad players. That was a tough ask to get right and challenge, so it doesn't surprise me that its not going to work.
Only better quality players requiring a significant financial spend will change the dynamic.
 

Ranger1003

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I can remember Tottenham having Kyle walker and Gareth bale on the same side. I feel we might have the same problem. We have 2 very attacking full backs meaning we have to play our wide men (no10s as I keep hearing them called) on the opposite side meaning they have to come inside instead of getting to the bye line. Get them playing on the natural side leaving Alfie in the middle for the delivery
 

Bigbluebear

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We are also on track to score more and concede less than our last 3 title wins.

Be pretty harsh to criticise if we end up with better goals scored, less conceded and more points and still dont win the league.
 

tazzabear

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Under Gerrard we have signed

18/19

Goldson - Hit
Barisic - Hit
Katic - Hit
Kamara - Hit
Grezda - Miss
Lafferty - Miss
McGregor - Hit
Arfield - Hit
Flanagan - so so
Polster - so so
Davis - Hit
Defoe - Hit
Ejaria - Miss
Kent - Hit
Macauley - so so
Worrall - Hit
Sadiq - Miss
Coulibaly - so so

19/20

Jones - undecided
Stewart - undecided
Hastie - undecided
Barker - miss
Hagi - undecided
Kamberi - undecided
Helander - Hit
Ojo - so so - closer to miss
Aribo - Hit
Edmundson - appears to he a hit
King - miss

Don't think I have missed anybody there. Pretty much everybody brought in to be a first team player has been a good signing. So far it's the squad additions that have been lacking.

Notably we still havent spent any serious money on midfield. That, and a replacement for Morelos, has to be the focus going forward.

We have spent millions on previous teams and got some shocking results (worse than anything this season). It's no time to panic.
Great summary.
I’d been racking my brain trying to find all the disastrous signings.
I still believe this is an issue of form rather than class.
 

tazzabear

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We are also on track to score more and concede less than our last 3 title wins.

Be pretty harsh to criticise if we end up with better goals scored, less conceded and more points and still dont win the league.
Shows the difference in standard of the league.
 

Bigbluebear

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Shows the difference in standard of the league.
I don't think it does.

I think it shows the gulf between celtic and the rest. I dont believe the likes of Aberdeen and Hibs are worse than they were 10 years ago. The financial gulf between Celtic and everybody else though is ridiculous. Celtics team is far better than it was when we were winning 3 in a row under Walter.
 
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